Any free broadcast tv with digital?

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:29:08 -0800, G-squared wrote:

It appears that everybody is eligible but why would you want a converter
box for a VCR? A cheap ATSC tuner for your computer is so much better
than a VCR. If you have enough money for the computer to write this on,
you shouldn't need a government handout for TV. Or are you entitled?

No, not everyone is eligible. If have any pay TV service, you household is
not eligible, even if you have TV's without a tuner not connected to them.
Your household has to be free of any pay service to be eligible for any
coupons.

Crossposting removed.


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On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:50:11 +0000, Gordon Burditt wrote:

Where are there cheap ATSC tuners with drivers that run on a reasonably
stable operating system (Windows doesn't count)? Also, I want to watch
TV on a *TELEVISION SET*, not a computer monitor. I've looked at things
like MythTV, and found it extremely lacking in terms of supported
hardware requirements (not that it didn't support stuff: it didn't tell
you what it supported in a way you could actually buy at a store).

BS. I paid under $20 each for my last 2 ATSC PCI tuner cards. I now have 6
in my mythtv system. And while there's a PC monitor on this machine, my
master backend server, both other frontend machines are connected to
HDTV's. And I've run mythtv on many different machines without a problem.
It's just a linux app. If the machine will run Linux, it'll run mythtv.
Now includes any x86 compatible machine made in the last 5 years. Want to
know what to buy, just ask almost anywhere, including here. Or you could
search the web or even got to the mythtv.org website. There's links there
you can follow to get to hardware compatibility list. There's no differnce
in watching Tv through a PC than there is watching it through a vcr, dvd
palyer, Tivo or any other device that connects to the TV. And there's also
plenty of people oin the alt.video.ptv.mythtv newsgroup willing to help
you. I've even given free phone support. And if you don't like linux,
there lots of programs on the windows side of things, but I can't help you
with that. I don't do windows. G-squared can though. After using MythTV,
I'd never go back to a consumer grade DVR.

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On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:57:40 -0800, G-squared wrote:

Wes will likely give you a list of MythTV compatible hardware since he's
the MythTV guru.

I wouldn't call myself a guru by a long shot, but I can get things
working. And the list would be way too long.

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On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:21:49 +0000, Tony Calguire wrote:

From the FAQ on the dtv2009 site:

7. Are all consumers eligible for the coupon program?

Yes, but supplies are limited. There are 22.25 million coupons available
to all U.S. households. Once those coupons have been used, there are an
additional 11.25 million coupons available only to households that
solely receive their TV broadcasts over-the-air using an antenna.
Households with TVs connected to cable, satellite or other pay TV
service are not eligible for this second batch of coupons. Consumers can
apply for coupons until March 31, 2009, or until the funds are
exhausted.

Has anyone check the first box in the app been able to apply for coupons.
Thought I tried that and it said I wasn't eligible. Of course this was on
Jan 1 about 3am. When I first tried at 1AM, I got a server error from
them.:-)




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On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:33:32 +0000, aemeijers wrote:

Presumably, the entry-level tuner boxes will NOT have remotes? So even
those of us with Satt, using the backup rooftop antenna to get locals
not carried, will have to actually walk across the room to change
channels? Oh, the horror!

Remotes, and batteries even, are required.

http://www.ntia.doc.gov/dtvcoupon/DTVmanufacturers.pdf



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and thus inscribed ...
On Jan 3, 9:52 pm, ~consul wrote:
I think it depends on what/how is amplified if it will make any difference. I have generic rabbit ears, and get better HD reception than I do SD in my apartment in Los Angeles.
Of course the HD's gonna look better-- but try piping the SD to a
regular TV to see if it's a matter of your HDTV magnifying the flaws
in the image.

I meant that the SD had ghosting, which the HD doesn't have. Signal is there or not. But yeah, the SD feed on my HDTV does magnify flaws.
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and thus GMAN inscribed ...
Presumably, the entry-level tuner boxes will NOT have remotes? So even
those of us with Satt, using the backup rooftop antenna to get locals
not carried, will have to actually walk across the room to change
channels? Oh, the horror!
aem sends...
Not true, they are required to include a remote.

Remote for what? The convertor box? I wouldn't think that it needs one, its like just daisy chaining something to your tv. The channel changing happens on your tv/remote, and the convertor just lets you additional channels on the same tv/remote.
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and thus Wes Newell inscribed ...
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:33:32 +0000, aemeijers wrote:
Presumably, the entry-level tuner boxes will NOT have remotes? So even
those of us with Satt, using the backup rooftop antenna to get locals
not carried, will have to actually walk across the room to change
channels? Oh, the horror!
Remotes, and batteries even, are required.
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/dtvcoupon/DTVmanufacturers.pdf

Hmmm. well, I guess I was wrong about how they were going to do it. I would have thought it would have been close to what my USB HD tv tuner, which is about 2 inches long, and 1/2 inch thick. If Hauppauge(and others) were able to get it this small, I would have thought the guvmint would use something like that. Maybe not that small, fine, but it accepts the signal and displays it on the tube tv and the lcd tv both. The only remote I use is the one that came w/ the tvs'.

I would also have thought that to make it simpler, the folks making the boxes would do something like that as well.
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wrote:
and thus GMAN inscribed ...

Presumably, the entry-level tuner boxes will NOT have remotes? So even
those of us with Satt, using the backup rooftop antenna to get locals
not carried, will have to actually walk across the room to change
channels? Oh, the horror!

Not true, they are required to include a remote.

Remote for what? The convertor box? I wouldn't think that it needs one,
its like just daisy chaining something to your tv. The channel changing
happens on your tv/remote, and the convertor just lets you additional
channels on the same tv/remote.

The box includes the necessary digital tuner to receive over the air channels.
The remote would operate the tuner.

In article [email protected], (Wes Newell) writes:
| On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:21:49 +0000, Tony Calguire wrote:
|
| From the FAQ on the dtv2009 site:
|
| 7. Are all consumers eligible for the coupon program?
|
| Yes, but supplies are limited. There are 22.25 million coupons available
| to all U.S. households. Once those coupons have been used, there are an
| additional 11.25 million coupons available only to households that
| solely receive their TV broadcasts over-the-air using an antenna.
| Households with TVs connected to cable, satellite or other pay TV
| service are not eligible for this second batch of coupons. Consumers can
| apply for coupons until March 31, 2009, or until the funds are
| exhausted.
|
| Has anyone check the first box in the app been able to apply for coupons.
| Thought I tried that and it said I wasn't eligible. Of course this was on
| Jan 1 about 3am. When I first tried at 1AM, I got a server error from
| them.:-)

There's an interesting timing dilemma here. The coupons are good for
only 90 days, we'd like to get them before they run out, but we'd also
like to maximize product availability and selection. How many of the
approved boxes are currently available?

Dan Lanciani
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