Warner Goes Blu-Ray Exclusive, biggest payoff yet

I expect that the vast majority also only have sound coming from the TV

My extended family is the same as described below - none are into the things
it takes to do a proper home theater.

Lots these flat even go out of their way to get full screen DVD for their
4:3 TV's

Even folks buying the flat screen and widescreen view any displayed content
with bars at the top or bottom as flawed and wasting the TV.........

I spent my Holiday at home with my dad showing him what is HDTV could really
do..

My sister still has everything zoomed, stretched, distorted... bars are
evil. it was a long week of withdrawal from my home setups - LOL


Frankly, unless you are willing to have an HDTV and a decent surround
system to take advantage of the new sound codecs too, there is not a
huge benefit to either at what is normal viewing distances for the
average viewer.

I took my PS3 up to my mom's house and we hooked it up to their 40"
HDTV. While most liked the improvement in picture, they thought I was
nuts to pay $400 for it. Part of that is because the viewing distance
is further than optimum, while being pretty normal for most folks, and
they don't have anything but the TV speakers for sound. IMO, fully half
the experience comes from the sound.

Then you don't have good enough gear to actually show them the
difference. If you or they can't see the difference between a CRT
display and the current high definition FPDs, then you and they are
****ing retarded.

I own a Toshiba 34HFX83 (34" 1080i CRT). There is NO flat panel device at or
around this size, up to 40", with an equally good (let alone better!)
picture quality, period. You are sorely mistaken and the retarded here if
you have never seen a true top of the line CRT in action before they stopped
manufacturing them (which btw happened because people weren't happy with
their SIZE and WEIGHT, not picture quality).

For the record I also own a Panasonic TH-42PX75U plasma, and the Toshiba PQ
is better, on both SD DVD's and HD channels (OTA and cable). Not by a wide
margin but better. So stop calling other people retarded only because you
don't have a proper frame of reference.

And that's what most do, including most of my relatives -- just watch TV and
99% network TV with 1/3 or more of every hour a commercial. Actually my 77
yo father -- sits in his nice lounge chair and is probably asleep about
half the time he is in front of the TV.. But to each his own...

I watch less than 2-3% primary network TV -- just some news shows now and
then

nearly all other watching now is movies, discovery, history channel etc..

I'm not often on channel I have to endure commercails for long..

and I do not sports very often

so I enjoy my home theater setups..... with proper sound




"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Steven" wrote:

I expect that the vast majority also only have sound coming from the TV

My extended family is the same as described below - none are into the
things
it takes to do a proper home theater.

And let me tell you: HD and theater sound add absolutely ZERO to the
enjoyment of watching Barney on How I Met Your Mother.

And, consider that most people want appliances in their lives. They
don't want a $500 remote control that they have to program so they can
try to remember which button to hit to make all five components come on
and switch appropriately so the wife can watch the weather channel to
see if the kids are going to school tomorrow.

The involved home theater should really be a dedicated home theater,
used for when you want to watch movies in a theater-like environment.
The home should also have just TVs available for just watching TV.

It's when you try to have everything in one that it all falls apart.

In article ,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote:

In article ,
Lloyd Parsons wrote:

I took my PS3 up to my mom's house

you mean upstairs in your mom's house.

Asswipe...

It would be a 350 mile set of steps. Quit trying to impose your
fantasies on others.

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
The involved home theater should really be a dedicated home theater,
used for when you want to watch movies in a theater-like environment.
The home should also have just TVs available for just watching TV.

It's when you try to have everything in one that it all falls apart.

There's absolutely no reason why you can't use the same TV to do both.
You can use it as a normal TV day to day, and switch it to HDMI or
whatever when you want to use it for home theater.

That is, unless you want to have a dedicated room for home theater.

"Bill's News" wrote in message
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Of the few discs I've borrowed from NetFlix of both formats, I'd say that
HD-DVD borrowers are more respectful of the media ...

How you can possibly make that assertion without knowing how many times each
disc has been rented?

"Lloyd Parsons" wrote in message
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"Mark A" wrote:

"Lloyd Parsons" wrote in message
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The competition that was good for the consumer was the phony war. The
prices of both BD and HDDVD would never have gotten as low as they have
if BD had been the only one. Or have you forgotten Sony's very vocal
indication that profits and prices weren't going to be anything like
DVD?

Now we'll see some improvements and price reductions, but at a far
slower pace than if the war kept going for a bit longer.

I've got both HDDVD and BD players so I really don't give a damn which
one ended up, just wanted it delayed some more. I most likely won't
buy
many (maybe none) more HDDVD discs.

That really makes no sense. Assuming that BD wins out, you will have the
same number of hardware manufacturers competing with each other,
including
Toshiba to drive prices down. Admittedly, BD will always cost a bit more
than HDDVD because of its technical design, but if you look at the way
computers, flat panel TV's and even regular DVD players have declined in
price over the last 5 years, one can expect similar declines in BD player
prices.

This may not help the early adopters much, but companies like WB are
looking
at the long term view with the bulk of consumers who are not going to
purchase BD or HDDVD in mass any time soon anyway.

You are not listening to the BD mfgs at all are you? They have said
that today's prices are artificially DEFLATED! Doesn't that give you
any hint at to what to expect them to do?

And in case you didn't notice, they've effectively all of the Chinese
mfgs out of the BD market. You know, the guys that really build stuff
cheap.

Believe what you will, I don't think a sub-$200 BD player will be out
before the next Christmas shopping season

Nonsense. They are $299 now. See Amazon.com

"Bill's News" wrote in message
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Assertion? I've borrowed a few discs, the BRs were more scratched than
the HDs. Where is the assertion?

But you don't know how many times they have been rented. The HD-DVD may have
been rented once, and the Blue Ray rented 10 times. You would expect to see
more scratches on the Blue Ray based on the larger number of times of the
disc has been rented.

To say that HD-DVD renters are more respectful than Blue Ray renters because
the HD-DVD discs have fewer scratches is idiotic if you don't know how many
times each disc has been rented.

"Telstar" wrote in message
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Believe what you will, I don't think a sub-$200 BD player will be out
before the next Christmas shopping season

Nonsense. They are $299 now. See Amazon.com

Oh, you mean the obsolete Profile 1.0 player that has half the functionality
of any HD DVD player (and the someday to be released profile 2.0 Blu
players)?

Looking at the ratings from Amazon customers, it seems to be a POS as well.

The low price is to dupe suckers into buying outdated crap. Look at the
price of the ONE released Profile 1.1 standalone player to get a real idea
on how much the Blu boxes will be costing for the foreseeable future.

steveo

Gary Morrison wrote:
Lloyd Parsons wrote:

Constant firmware upgrades. Almost everytime a new blockbuster
comes out.

So I gather that HD-DVD players don't have similar upgrade issues?

Not as often.


So then, what happens if you try to play a bluRay disk that requires an
update and the player doesn't have that update? Does the player
typically pop up a nice dialog box message and let you continue, or does
it give you the ol' "blue screen of death" (in joking analogy wiht PCs)?

Um, if you buy a player with Profile 1.0 (most of them have it by now),
it means it'll be able to play the movie.
Which is not a bad thing to ask of a disk *or* a player.

If you happen to have a non-updated PS3...or player...that isn't
equipped with Profile 1.1 by now, you may not be able to access all the
various interactive bonus features, but you won't be left with a silver
coaster either.

(But if you really don't know these things, it always helps to ask.)

Derek Janssen (and is the "Blue screen of death" related to the "Red
Ring of death"?)