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"Jordan" wrote in message
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On Dec 28, 1:48 pm, "Shonk" wrote:

why are people so negative about blu-ray

Because Sony shouldn't be allowed to control the entire distribution
chain from the time a movie is made through it being sold to the
consumer.

50gig a disk


Toshiba has a 51GB disk approved by all members including Disney. By the
time it arrives later this year it will be a finished and fully tested spec
unlike Beta Ray.

note that MOST Beta Ray movies are still on 30GB disks.

In fact most games especially from EA that are on the PS3 are just regular
old...DVD's.

Another thing, Warner Brothers masters ALL it's new HD stuff in HD-DVD
first, then copies it to Blu ray.
So if your watching a Blu ..Beta Ray WB movie, it's just a copy of an
HD-DVD.

dork wrote:
"Jordan" wrote in message
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On Dec 28, 1:48 pm, "Shonk" wrote:

why are people so negative about blu-ray
Because Sony shouldn't be allowed to control the entire distribution
chain from the time a movie is made through it being sold to the
consumer.

50gig a disk

Toshiba has a 51GB disk approved by all members including Disney. By the
time it arrives later this year it will be a finished and fully tested spec
unlike Beta Ray.

Guess what Einstein... it will NOT arrive this year, since there are
only two more days left from your own post... and don't hold your breath
for it coming up any time soon... The 100GB BD format is more compatible
with the current BD players than the 51GB is with the current HD DVD
players (read Toshiba).


note that MOST Beta Ray movies are still on 30GB disks.

Beta Ray (I'm assuming you're trying to be witty here)... that's cool,
except for one thing... it does not help your cause, especially when you
think of BetaMax being supported by one hardware manufacturer, just like
HD DVD is presently.

HD DVD is not in the greatest of shape, not even in your mind...
otherwise you'd not stoop so low out of the blue... you're way too
desperate bud!


In fact most games especially from EA that are on the PS3 are just regular
old...DVD's.

Another thing, Warner Brothers masters ALL it's new HD stuff in HD-DVD
first, then copies it to Blu ray.
So if your watching a Blu ..Beta Ray WB movie, it's just a copy of an
HD-DVD.




I'm sorry to hear that if I buy a "Blu-ray" disc made by Warner I'm only
getting HD DVD quality... that's pretty low of WB



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Bogdan Macri wrote:
dork wrote:

Another thing, Warner Brothers masters ALL it's new HD stuff in HD-DVD
first, then copies it to Blu ray.
So if your watching a Blu ..Beta Ray WB movie, it's just a copy of an
HD-DVD.

I'm sorry to hear that if I buy a "Blu-ray" disc made by Warner I'm only
getting HD DVD quality... that's pretty low of WB

It's become the "symbol" of why the industry just isn't working under
that dual-format system that the draft-dodgers think is so "livable" and
"economic":
Unless companies want to spend money creating two separately different
industries--which Warner, for one, DOESN'T--any industry with two
different formats is forced to sell to the Lowest Common Denominator.
And as long as HD-DVD exists, *that* just happens to be Lowest.
And that seems to be the problem with all the Dual-format studios right
now...Oops, wait. There's aren't "all the dual studios" anymore, are
there? Just Warner.

Trust us: When we say we want to wipe HD off the face of the earth,
it's not brand loyalty or rah-rah cheerleading for "evil" Sony.
It's wondering just how darn long we're going to have to suffer for
buying an innately defective product, when all the machinery is readily
available to NOT make it defective.

Derek Janssen (CES'08 Countdown: 9 days...At this point, we'll even
take a VC-1 Casablanca, if it's one more step toward Unconditional
Warner Surrender)

In article [email protected],
Derek Janssen wrote:

Bogdan Macri wrote:
dork wrote:

Another thing, Warner Brothers masters ALL it's new HD stuff in HD-DVD
first, then copies it to Blu ray.
So if your watching a Blu ..Beta Ray WB movie, it's just a copy of an
HD-DVD.

I'm sorry to hear that if I buy a "Blu-ray" disc made by Warner I'm only
getting HD DVD quality... that's pretty low of WB

It's become the "symbol" of why the industry just isn't working under
that dual-format system that the draft-dodgers think is so "livable" and
"economic":
Unless companies want to spend money creating two separately different
industries--which Warner, for one, DOESN'T--any industry with two
different formats is forced to sell to the Lowest Common Denominator.
And as long as HD-DVD exists, *that* just happens to be Lowest.
And that seems to be the problem with all the Dual-format studios right
now...Oops, wait. There's aren't "all the dual studios" anymore, are
there? Just Warner.

Trust us: When we say we want to wipe HD off the face of the earth,
it's not brand loyalty or rah-rah cheerleading for "evil" Sony.
It's wondering just how darn long we're going to have to suffer for
buying an innately defective product, when all the machinery is readily
available to NOT make it defective.

Derek Janssen (CES'08 Countdown: 9 days...At this point, we'll even
take a VC-1 Casablanca, if it's one more step toward Unconditional
Warner Surrender)


You want BD to win, I personally don't care which one does, and I'm not
overly in a rush to see one or the other win.

Until BD gets a profile 1.1 player out there at a sub-$200 pricepoint,
BD doesn't win, the war goes on. And since the BD mfgs can barely get
ANY profile 1.1's out there at any price, that doesn't look it will
happen anytime soon.

And that is the nub of it. It isn't the technology, the capacity of the
disc nor any of the other crapola that all of us early-adopters think
are so important, it is the PRICE!

Lloyd Parsons wrote:

Unless companies want to spend money creating two separately different
industries--which Warner, for one, DOESN'T--any industry with two
different formats is forced to sell to the Lowest Common Denominator.
And as long as HD-DVD exists, *that* just happens to be Lowest.
And that seems to be the problem with all the Dual-format studios right
now...Oops, wait. There's aren't "all the dual studios" anymore, are
there? Just Warner.

Trust us: When we say we want to wipe HD off the face of the earth,
it's not brand loyalty or rah-rah cheerleading for "evil" Sony.
It's wondering just how darn long we're going to have to suffer for
buying an innately defective product, when all the machinery is readily
available to NOT make it defective.

(CES'08 Countdown: 9 days...At this point, we'll even
take a VC-1 Casablanca, if it's one more step toward Unconditional
Warner Surrender)

You want BD to win, I personally don't care which one does, and I'm not
overly in a rush to see one or the other win.

Until BD gets a profile 1.1 player out there at a sub-$200 pricepoint,
BD doesn't win, the war goes on. And since the BD mfgs can barely get
ANY profile 1.1's out there at any price, that doesn't look it will
happen anytime soon.

(Um...Is this old chestnut even still *working* after the PS3 2.10 upgrade?
"Uh, yeah, but they're too expensive!"--Whatever, Ebenezer.
But if I read correctly, you asked for, quote, "ANY" 1.1 players "at any
price", and as of December, we've officially got 'em. Live to
serve...Next old trenches-standby to shoot down?)

Derek Janssen (just feel free, any of those ol' '06 memory-lane
favorites--Aw, c'mon, how about one old "Evil Sony overlords" one, just
for nostalgia?)

In article [email protected],
Derek Janssen wrote:

Lloyd Parsons wrote:

Unless companies want to spend money creating two separately different
industries--which Warner, for one, DOESN'T--any industry with two
different formats is forced to sell to the Lowest Common Denominator.
And as long as HD-DVD exists, *that* just happens to be Lowest.
And that seems to be the problem with all the Dual-format studios right
now...Oops, wait. There's aren't "all the dual studios" anymore, are
there? Just Warner.

Trust us: When we say we want to wipe HD off the face of the earth,
it's not brand loyalty or rah-rah cheerleading for "evil" Sony.
It's wondering just how darn long we're going to have to suffer for
buying an innately defective product, when all the machinery is readily
available to NOT make it defective.

(CES'08 Countdown: 9 days...At this point, we'll even
take a VC-1 Casablanca, if it's one more step toward Unconditional
Warner Surrender)

You want BD to win, I personally don't care which one does, and I'm not
overly in a rush to see one or the other win.

Until BD gets a profile 1.1 player out there at a sub-$200 pricepoint,
BD doesn't win, the war goes on. And since the BD mfgs can barely get
ANY profile 1.1's out there at any price, that doesn't look it will
happen anytime soon.

(Um...Is this old chestnut even still *working* after the PS3 2.10 upgrade?
"Uh, yeah, but they're too expensive!"--Whatever, Ebenezer.
But if I read correctly, you asked for, quote, "ANY" 1.1 players "at any
price", and as of December, we've officially got 'em. Live to
serve...Next old trenches-standby to shoot down?)

Derek Janssen (just feel free, any of those ol' '06 memory-lane
favorites--Aw, c'mon, how about one old "Evil Sony overlords" one, just
for nostalgia?)


Read what I said again.

They've got what 1 profile 1.1 standalone and the PS3 or is it 2
standalones that are 1.1.

Regardless, most of the mfgs rushed 2nd gen boxes to market just short
of the do or die date when 1.1 had to be in them. Since then almost no
new boxes.

But let's assume they finally get off their collective asses and produce
at least one model from each mfg that is 1.1 - when will just one of
them be sub-$200? I don't think I can see that far down the road from
where I sit.

Beta Ray

LOL..funny..true

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Bogdan Macri wrote:
dork wrote:

[snipola ...]


note that MOST Beta Ray movies are still on 30GB disks.

Beta Ray (I'm assuming you're trying to be witty here)... that's
cool, except for one thing... it does not help your cause,
especially when you think of BetaMax being supported by one
hardware manufacturer, just like HD DVD is presently.

Actually BetaMax was supported by many manufacturers when it first
came out, and then dwindled to one.

I've owned Beta machines made by Sony [of course], NEC, and Sanyo.

The NEC had about the finest higg-band Beta I recording - even
better than the Sony - and a far nicer timer mode that included
being able to timer-record from line-inputs, which Sony did later.

And the Sanyo was rebranded with a Radio Shack name on it for
awhile. Of course all the Zenith were rebaded Sony.

There were at least 6 manufacturers of Beta at one time.

When I bought my Beta it had 99% share of the market, while
VHS - which had been on the market in the US being pushed by
RCA was only about 5 month old in terms of marketing.

Just thought I'd point out that there were more than one when it
came to manufacturers. Whwn VHS came out and brought to four
tht total of vidoe formats on sale in the consumer market places,
Quasar dropped the "Great Time Machine" - which had about the most
ungainly cartrdidge I've ever seen with a piggy-back part on top,
and Sanyo dropped their V-cord, bring the ome consumer market to
two.

The other video tape format [ whose name I forget now ] had bowed
out a few years eaelier.

Bill
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Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:42:31 GMT, Bogdan Macri wrote:


Beta Ray (I'm assuming you're trying to be witty here)... that's cool,
except for one thing... it does not help your cause, especially when you
think of BetaMax being supported by one hardware manufacturer,

I thought the "Beta" might be because consumers were beta testers for both
high definition formats when they were first introduced - and maybe, for
many players, they still are.

In alt.video.dvd dork wrote:
In fact most games especially from EA that are on the PS3 are just regular
old...DVD's.

Um, no. All PS3 games - regardless of their size - come on blu-ray
discs. While it is true that most PS3 games would still fit easily onto a
single DVD, they're still forced to use blu-ray media by Sony.

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It's not broken. It's...advanced.