Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?

In article ,
Nigel Barker wrote:

Particularly when there is no geographical limitation on other media
covered by international copyright. I am perfectly at liberty to purchase
a book or DVD from another country but evidently not a TV subscription. --

there are region 1 and region 2 DVDs. You may also find that some books
state " Not for sale outside the USA", for instance

--
From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey"

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:39:13 +0000 (GMT), charles wrote:

In article ,
Nigel Barker wrote:

Particularly when there is no geographical limitation on other media
covered by international copyright. I am perfectly at liberty to purchase
a book or DVD from another country but evidently not a TV subscription. --

there are region 1 and region 2 DVDs. You may also find that some books
state " Not for sale outside the USA", for instance

Which doesn't stop Amazon supplying them. In any case I believe that refers to sale in a retail
outlet not a personal purchase. This would be the case where e.g. another publisher had the rights
for the book in the UK. When Amazon in the US sell me a book they _are_ not selling it outside the
US they are selling it _in_ the US & then shipping it to me.
--

Cheers

Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:34:37 +0000, JF
wrote:

There ain't gonna be no change.

Constant change is here to stay ...
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:34:37 +0000, JF wrote:

In message , Nigel Barker
writes
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:51:05 +0100, Jim Watt wrote:

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:00:13 +0000, JF
wrote:

In message , Jim Watt
writes
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:14:53 +0000, JF
wrote:

The Berne Convention is a global protocol that works. It has provided
all its signatory countries with a workable and pragmatic framework of
international law.

And at one time a man with a red flag walked in front of
motor cars, everyone in the UK paid radio licences to the
post office who ran the telephone service.

The false analogies are so thick and fast that I can't be bothered to
address them. Try comparing like for like. The Berne Convention works.
So do conventions that say which side of the road we should drive on.

Which convention is that?

However, the Berne convention was conceived before Satellite
television existed, and current rights licencing does not
address the needs of the public.

Its perverse that I cannot subscribe to whatever services
are offered by broadcasters because of the geographical area
I live.

Particularly when there is no geographical limitation on other media
covered by international
copyright. I am perfectly at liberty to purchase a book or DVD from
another country but evidently
not a TV subscription.

There most certainly are geographic constraints on the distribution and
publication of intellectual copyright material based on language rights
regardless of whether the material is on DVDs or carved on slabs of
marble. I sell dutch rights in my books that give a dutch publisher sole
rights to translated and publish my stuff in their ghastly
throat-disease language. That's the language part of the deal. The
territory deal usually matches the language territory so, it the case of
the dyke dwellers, that also covers Indonesia.

But I can fly to Amsterdam go into a bookshop buy one of your books in Dutch & then take that book &
read it in whatever country I like. I can also buy that book by mail order & have it posted to me in
another country. Same goes for DVDs, CDs etc However I am prevented from doing this when it is a
smart card which gives me access to a satellite TV subscription service.
--

Cheers

Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:56:02 +0000, JF wrote:

In message , Nigel Barker
writes

But I can fly to Amsterdam go into a bookshop buy one of your books in
Dutch & then take that book &
read it in whatever country I like. I can also buy that book by mail
order & have it posted to me in
another country. Same goes for DVDs, CDs etc However I am prevented
from doing this when it is a
smart card which gives me access to a satellite TV subscription service.

It's point of publication that matters. Publishers such as broadcasters
could buy rights to several countries if they so chose. But they choose
not to. We all have the right of choice.

It's still inconsistent between different media. Why can I take a book published in the UK & read it
in the Netherlands but not take a Sky card to the Netherlands to watch UK TV?
--

Cheers

Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:33:03 +0100, Nigel Barker put finger to
keyboard and typed:

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:56:02 +0000, JF wrote:

In message , Nigel Barker
writes

But I can fly to Amsterdam go into a bookshop buy one of your books in
Dutch & then take that book &
read it in whatever country I like. I can also buy that book by mail
order & have it posted to me in
another country. Same goes for DVDs, CDs etc However I am prevented
from doing this when it is a
smart card which gives me access to a satellite TV subscription service.

It's point of publication that matters. Publishers such as broadcasters
could buy rights to several countries if they so chose. But they choose
not to. We all have the right of choice.

It's still inconsistent between different media.

So? Is there any reason why it should be consistent between different
types of media? After all, that's part of the reason why they're
different!

Why can I take a book published in the UK & read it
in the Netherlands but not take a Sky card to the Netherlands to watch UK TV?

As a private individual you can, and you wouldn't be doing anything
illegal if you did. However, Sky are equally within their rights to
refuse to supply you outside the UK, and they are not breaking any
laws if they were to disable your subscription if they discover it
being used outside the UK.

It's not about rights, it's about commercial decisions by the
broadcasters and their suppliers over how best to maximise their
profits from regionalising their products. You can argue against it
all that you want, but, unless their Terms and Conditions contain
clauses that are themselves illegal, then when you sign the contract
with them (eg, for a Sky subscription) you're agreeing to be bound by
them. If you choose to break those terms (eg, by using the card
outside the UK), then it's your responsibility to ensure that you
don't get found out, otherwise Sky can, and will, respond to your
breach of their terms by cancelling the contract.

Mark
--
http://www.MotorwayServices.info - read and share comments and opinons
"Life is bigger, it's bigger than you"

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:17:21 +0000, Walt Davidson
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:33:03 +0100, Nigel Barker wrote:

It's still inconsistent between different media. Why can I take a book published in the UK & read it
in the Netherlands but not take a Sky card to the Netherlands to watch UK TV?

Because when you buy a book or CD you are buying one item of
merchandise. When you buy a Sky card, you are buying a service.

In the same way, if you live in the Netherlands you can't get BT to
provide your telephone service or British Gas to provide your central
heating.
You can certainly get your phone from BT (but maybe not if
"residential") in the Netherlands:-
http://www.btglobalservices.com/en/w...therlands.html

BG is now a trading activity of Centrica who operate in the
Netherlands via Oxxio but (allowing for my minimalist Dutch) seem only
to flog gas so you might be OK on that one. Isn't globalisation
wonderful ?

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:52:29 +0000, Charles Ellson wrote:

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:17:21 +0000, Walt Davidson
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:33:03 +0100, Nigel Barker wrote:

It's still inconsistent between different media. Why can I take a book published in the UK & read it
in the Netherlands but not take a Sky card to the Netherlands to watch UK TV?

Because when you buy a book or CD you are buying one item of
merchandise. When you buy a Sky card, you are buying a service.

In the same way, if you live in the Netherlands you can't get BT to
provide your telephone service or British Gas to provide your central
heating.
You can certainly get your phone from BT (but maybe not if
"residential") in the Netherlands:-
http://www.btglobalservices.com/en/w...therlands.html

BG is now a trading activity of Centrica who operate in the
Netherlands via Oxxio but (allowing for my minimalist Dutch) seem only
to flog gas so you might be OK on that one. Isn't globalisation
wonderful ?

Not to mention in the UK getting your electricity from Electricite de France or your water from
Lyonnaise des Eaux.
--

Cheers

Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

In article ,
Nigel Barker wrote:


Not to mention in the UK getting your electricity from Electricite de
France or your water from Lyonnaise des Eaux. --

or Perrier ;-)

--
From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey"

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:17:21 +0000, Walt Davidson
wrote:

In the same way, if you live in the Netherlands you can't get BT to
provide your telephone service or British Gas to provide your central
heating.

I have a BT card which allows me to use their service
worldwide via local free numbers and in the UK and I
don't pay VAT on it either.

No need for gas, electric cooking is cleaner and
heating is not required.

The present model for selling rights to a geographical
area is outdated when we all live in an area called
Europe and its discrimination and bad business practice
that English speaking citizens that we are legally
restricted from paying to watch television.

What about the Swiss who issue cards to their nationals
to be able to watch swiss TV wherever they are, subject
to coverage?

Broadcasting is a medium that does not respect frontiers.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com