Any tricks to reduc motion blur?

I've only had my HDTV (Samsung LN-T4661F) for a few days but the
motion blur is driving me crazy. I see it on every LCD TV I look at.
Since it seems like it's me and not LCD TVs in general, has anyone
else experienced this and found a way around it? Certain lighting?
Glass? Drinking heavily?

I hear plasma is better regarding motion blur but when I went to the
store last night to compare I saw it on the plasmas too. Granted the
feed in Circuit City is suspect.

On Dec 20, 12:56 pm, stoneattic wrote:
I've only had my HDTV (Samsung LN-T4661F) for a few days but the
motion blur is driving me crazy. I see it on every LCD TV I look at.
Since it seems like it's me and not LCD TVs in general, has anyone
else experienced this and found a way around it? Certain lighting?
Glass? Drinking heavily?

I hear plasma is better regarding motion blur but when I went to the
store last night to compare I saw it on the plasmas too. Granted the
feed in Circuit City is suspect.

The motion resolution on plasmas far exceeds LCD, as do most LCoS
projection sets too. Is it not just you, you just happen to be honest
about it instead of being emotionally attached to the display
technology you chose.
=D
Most LCD's when tested for motion resolution are able to resolve
600/1080 lines.
The Panasonic plasma sets and Pioneer plasma sets are able to resolve
880/1080 and 900/1080 lines respectively.
That's a pretty huge difference.
With the Panny 42" 1080p plasmas hitting $1499 at Brick & Mortar
stores and $1200 online...it's hard to not pick one up.
The highest tested LCD so far and the ONLY one to substantially
surpass 600/1080 is the new LED LCD from Samsung which tested at
800/1080 with Motion Plus turned on and it is a 60Hz set.
For you set, have you checked that it's not in "Vivid" mode or
something awful like that. The Sony XBR4 tested at 600/1080 for motion
resolution when in "Cinema" mode but had a ghastly 450/1080 when set
to "Vivid" mode.
Other than that, how is your set hooked up, what sources are you
using, what settings are you currently using, what cabling...these
things should all be considered.

stoneattic wrote:
I've only had my HDTV (Samsung LN-T4661F) for a few days but the
motion blur is driving me crazy. I see it on every LCD TV I look at.
Since it seems like it's me and not LCD TVs in general, has anyone
else experienced this and found a way around it? Certain lighting?
Glass? Drinking heavily?

I hear plasma is better regarding motion blur but when I went to the
store last night to compare I saw it on the plasmas too. Granted the
feed in Circuit City is suspect.

Drinking heavily should reduce the perceived
resolution and hide the artifacts. However,
your liver will last longer if you just smear
Vaseline on a pair of inexpensive glasses. g

You might want to trade for a faster set or one
that uses a lot of processing power to suppress
the artifacts.

I graduated from ED plasma to HD-ILA earlier
this year and am happy with a set that has
artifact suppression.

I think you hear correctly. Generally, Plasma
is going to be the fastest, LCoS next, then DLP
along with the faster LCDs. Ignore the specs
and pick a set based on how you like the content
you usually watch.

If you're locked into LCD look at Sony's
high-end LCDs with "Motion Flow" or JVC's sets
with "Clear Motion."

JVC's HD-ILA (LCoS) sets are faster than
JVC-LCDs and don't seem to use as much
processing to suppress the artifacts. HD-ILA is
thicker than LCD but this year's models do wall
mount.

If you view either the Sony's or JVCs take a
hard look at how they momentarily 'soften' the
image to hide artifacts. Several posters to
this group find this more annoying than seeing
the artifacts on a fast plasma. Personally, I
like Motion Flow and Clear Motion.

I don't know of a plasma that has artifact
suppression but if one exists, that might be
your best bet. Panasonic does own a chunk of
JVC. Perhaps some of the Genessa+Linux
technology has found its way into Panasonic plasmas.

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pj

On Dec 20, 2:41 pm, pj wrote:
stoneattic wrote:
I've only had my HDTV (Samsung LN-T4661F) for a few days but the
motion blur is driving me crazy. I see it on every LCD TV I look at.
Since it seems like it's me and not LCD TVs in general, has anyone
else experienced this and found a way around it? Certain lighting?
Glass? Drinking heavily?

I hear plasma is better regarding motion blur but when I went to the
store last night to compare I saw it on the plasmas too. Granted the
feed in Circuit City is suspect.

Drinking heavily should reduce the perceived
resolution and hide the artifacts. However,
your liver will last longer if you just smear
Vaseline on a pair of inexpensive glasses. g

You might want to trade for a faster set or one
that uses a lot of processing power to suppress
the artifacts.

I graduated from ED plasma to HD-ILA earlier
this year and am happy with a set that has
artifact suppression.

I think you hear correctly. Generally, Plasma
is going to be the fastest, LCoS next, then DLP
along with the faster LCDs. Ignore the specs
and pick a set based on how you like the content
you usually watch.

If you're locked into LCD look at Sony's
high-end LCDs with "Motion Flow" or JVC's sets
with "Clear Motion."

JVC's HD-ILA (LCoS) sets are faster than
JVC-LCDs and don't seem to use as much
processing to suppress the artifacts. HD-ILA is
thicker than LCD but this year's models do wall
mount.

If you view either the Sony's or JVCs take a
hard look at how they momentarily 'soften' the
image to hide artifacts. Several posters to
this group find this more annoying than seeing
the artifacts on a fast plasma. Personally, I
like Motion Flow and Clear Motion.

I don't know of a plasma that has artifact
suppression but if one exists, that might be
your best bet. Panasonic does own a chunk of
JVC. Perhaps some of the Genessa+Linux
technology has found its way into Panasonic plasmas.

--
pj


I wasn't overly impressed with the plasmas at Circuit City, but like I
mentioned, I don't trust their feed to give me a real taste of these
TVs. The big bummer for me is buying a TV right now was not in the
cards, but when our old one kind of died we had little choice except
read a book. The fast LCDs are $4-500 more than what I paid for
mine and the plasmas are a little higher than that. I think I'm stuck
with what I have due to the current finance situation. If the
old TV would only have lasted until tax and/or bonus time......Feb-Mar
or so. Maybe I'll just take this back and get a 32' CD CRT to get me
through until then.

stoneattic wrote:
snip Maybe I'll just take this back and get a 32' CD CRT to get me
through until then.

a 32 foot set will cost ya

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On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:56:10 -0800, stoneattic wrote:

I've only had my HDTV (Samsung LN-T4661F) for a few days but the motion
blur is driving me crazy. I see it on every LCD TV I look at. Since it
seems like it's me and not LCD TVs in general, has anyone else
experienced this and found a way around it? Certain lighting? Glass?
Drinking heavily?

I hear plasma is better regarding motion blur but when I went to the
store last night to compare I saw it on the plasmas too. Granted the
feed in Circuit City is suspect.

The cause of motion blur can be many things. Don't just blame the TV
technology. Most newer LCD's don't contribute much to it. It's mainly
introduced during filming. I get it on CRT"s that have 0 response times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_blur

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDTV_blur





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On Dec 20, 6:06 pm, CJT wrote:
stoneattic wrote:

snip Maybe I'll just take this back and get a 32' CD CRT to get me

through until then.

a 32 foot set will cost ya

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Ha! A true Spinal Tap moment.

On Dec 20, 6:28 pm, Wes Newell wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:56:10 -0800, stoneattic wrote:
I've only had my HDTV (Samsung LN-T4661F) for a few days but the motion
blur is driving me crazy. I see it on every LCD TV I look at. Since it
seems like it's me and not LCD TVs in general, has anyone else
experienced this and found a way around it? Certain lighting? Glass?
Drinking heavily?

I hear plasma is better regarding motion blur but when I went to the
store last night to compare I saw it on the plasmas too. Granted the
feed in Circuit City is suspect.

The cause of motion blur can be many things. Don't just blame the TV
technology. Most newer LCD's don't contribute much to it. It's mainly
introduced during filming. I get it on CRT"s that have 0 response times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_blur

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDTV_blur

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I'm pretty sure it's the TV. I hooked my 32" SD CRT up on the s-video
of my STB side-by-side with the 4661F hooked up to HDMI. They of
course were both getting the same HD feed even though the CRT is a 10+
year old analog TV (obviously having the HD feed convert by the STB to
analog. I was watching the Flyers vs Coyotes game on Comcast Sports
Net and there were times were I couldn't make out the numbers of
players on the 4661F, but could on the CRT. I was rewinding and
watching the same plays over and over to verify this. It was a pretty
frequent occurrence.

On Dec 20, 11:56*am, stoneattic wrote:
I've only had my HDTV (Samsung LN-T4661F) for a few days but the
motion blur is driving me crazy. *I see it on every LCD TV I look at.
Since it seems like it's me and not LCD TVs in general, has anyone
else experienced this and found a way around it? *Certain lighting?
Glass? *Drinking heavily? *

I hear plasma is better regarding motion blur but when I went to the
store last night to compare I saw it on the plasmas too. *Granted the
feed in Circuit City is suspect.

I have a Sony rear projection LCD. I watch a lot of sports and
personally have never notice any motion blur.

"CJT" wrote in message
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stoneattic wrote:
snip Maybe I'll just take this back and get a 32' CD CRT to get me
through until then.

a 32 foot set will cost ya

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And how much would a 32' CRT weigh?

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