Spanish DVB-T receiver used with FreeView (DTT)

Hi,

I live in Spain and will visit the Uk for Xmas and my parents would
like a DVB-T receiver. The Uk ones are about £20 - £30 upwards but
the ones in Spain in Carrfour can be bought from EURO 15.

Spain uses MHP for the services where are Freeview uses poor old
MHEG-5. Spain also uses more channels and VHF unlike the Uk.

I read on this BBC site about FreeView transmitting MHP and MHEG-5
alongside each other:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/brochur...d-mheg-mhp.pdf

Will the Spanish Freeview unit work with British DTT and does anyone
know about MHP implementations in Britain?

Many thanks.

PS. It does not matter that the interactive services work or not with
a Sp., receiver in the UK because my parents are unlikely to "press
the red button!".

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Hi,

I live in Spain and will visit the Uk for Xmas and my parents would
like a DVB-T receiver. The Uk ones are about £20 - £30 upwards but
the ones in Spain in Carrfour can be bought from EURO 15.

Spain uses MHP for the services where are Freeview uses poor old
MHEG-5. Spain also uses more channels and VHF unlike the Uk.

I read on this BBC site about FreeView transmitting MHP and MHEG-5
alongside each other:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/brochur...d-mheg-mhp.pdf

Will the Spanish Freeview unit work with British DTT and does anyone
know about MHP implementations in Britain?

Many thanks.

PS. It does not matter that the interactive services work or not with
a Sp., receiver in the UK because my parents are unlikely to "press
the red button!".

For the sake of £10 more, buy one at Tesco, not worth the bother.

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Regards,
David

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Hi,

I live in Spain and will visit the Uk for Xmas and my parents would
like a DVB-T receiver. The Uk ones are about £20 - £30 upwards but
the ones in Spain in Carrfour can be bought from EURO 15.

Spain uses MHP for the services where are Freeview uses poor old
MHEG-5. Spain also uses more channels and VHF unlike the Uk.

I read on this BBC site about FreeView transmitting MHP and MHEG-5
alongside each other:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/brochur...d-mheg-mhp.pdf

Will the Spanish Freeview unit work with British DTT and does anyone
know about MHP implementations in Britain?

Many thanks.

PS. It does not matter that the interactive services work or not with
a Sp., receiver in the UK because my parents are unlikely to "press
the red button!".

For the sake of £10 more, buy one at Tesco, not worth the bother.

--
Regards,
David

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Not a good idea to buy a DVB-T in UK for use in Spain.
Many reasons from invalid warranty, to UK being PAL-I
and Spain being PAL-B
The PAL transmission standard is the same in nearly all areas
Being 625/50 line field rate, scan at 15,625, also same colour
subcarrier and processing, but the significant difference being
the designated broadcast frequency carriers used.
The impact in this Spain/UK scenario being that the sound carrier
resides at 5.5Mhz carrier with PAL-I (UK) But at 6Mhz above the
picture carrier with PAL-B (Spain, Netherlands etc)
The result will be that no sound will be received if used in Spain. All
use the 625/50 line/field rate..... scan at 15,625 h-lines/sec and use a
4.433618 color subcarrier frequency & PAL colD variants, designate the
broadcast frequency carriers used, as opposed to any variation of the video
format itself... PAL-I for example, has been allocated a wider transmitter
bandwidth than PAL-B, necessitating that the sound carrier resides 6Mhz
above the picture instead of 5.5 MHz above the picture carrier. Thus a
PAL-I TV (the United Kingdom for exampleor processing

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"David" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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Hi,

I live in Spain and will visit the Uk for Xmas and my parents would
like a DVB-T receiver. The Uk ones are about £20 - £30 upwards but
the ones in Spain in Carrfour can be bought from EURO 15.

Spain uses MHP for the services where are Freeview uses poor old
MHEG-5. Spain also uses more channels and VHF unlike the Uk.

I read on this BBC site about FreeView transmitting MHP and MHEG-5
alongside each other:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/brochur...d-mheg-mhp.pdf

Will the Spanish Freeview unit work with British DTT and does anyone
know about MHP implementations in Britain?

Many thanks.

PS. It does not matter that the interactive services work or not with
a Sp., receiver in the UK because my parents are unlikely to "press
the red button!".

For the sake of £10 more, buy one at Tesco, not worth the bother.

--
Regards,
David

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Not a good idea to buy a DVB-T in UK for use in Spain.
Many reasons from invalid warranty, to UK being PAL-I
and Spain being PAL-B
The PAL transmission standard is the same in nearly all areas
Being 625/50 line field rate, scan at 15,625, also same colour
subcarrier and processing, but the significant difference being
the designated broadcast frequency carriers used.
The impact in this Spain/UK scenario being that the sound carrier
resides at 5.5Mhz carrier with PAL-I (UK) But at 6Mhz above the
picture carrier with PAL-B (Spain, Netherlands etc)
The result will be that no sound will be received if used in Spain. All
use the 625/50 line/field rate..... scan at 15,625 h-lines/sec and use a
4.433618 color subcarrier frequency & PAL colD variants, designate the
broadcast frequency carriers used, as opposed to any variation of the
video format itself... PAL-I for example, has been allocated a wider
transmitter bandwidth than PAL-B, necessitating that the sound carrier
resides 6Mhz above the picture instead of 5.5 MHz above the picture
carrier. Thus a

oops, I got your post and my reply a bit muddled, your aim to buy
a cheaper Spainish DVB-T box for use in UK, I got it the wrong way
round, but still same issue, the sound will be on a different carrier so
won't be recieved

PAL-B wrote:

oops, I got your post and my reply a bit muddled, your aim to buy
a cheaper Spainish DVB-T box for use in UK, I got it the wrong way
round, but still same issue, the sound will be on a different carrier
so won't be recieved

DVB-T doesn't use a seperate carrier for sound.

PAL-B wrote:
oops, I got your post and my reply a bit muddled, your aim to buy
a cheaper Spainish DVB-T box for use in UK, I got it the wrong way
round, but still same issue, the sound will be on a different carrier so
won't be recieved

Your entire reply is muddled. Unless the signals are being remodulated,
which is a rare requirement these days, there will be no problems with
sound via SCART or the digital interfaces.

I would buy the Spanish DVB-T box and give it a try. Many of these cheap
boxes can be used through-out the European market having the necessary
firmware and language support. A quick examination of box or the
on-screen menus will be a good guide as to MHEG support.

ESB

oops, I got your post and my reply a bit muddled, your aim to buy
a cheaper Spainish DVB-T box for use in UK, I got it the wrong way
round, but still same issue, the sound will be on a different carrier so
won't be recieved

This is not likely to be a problem because you will probably be using the
scart, in which case your picture and sound signals will have nothing to do
with PAL-I or PAL-B/G at any stage. My guess is that the Spanish DVB-T box
will work fine in the UK because, as far as I know, the DVB-T standard is
the same in all European countries. You have to travel much further than
Spain to find an incompatible DTT system, i.e. United States, Japan or
Brazil. Their boxes would not work in the UK.

Stephen wrote:
This is not likely to be a problem because you will probably be using the
scart, in which case your picture and sound signals will have nothing to do
with PAL-I or PAL-B/G at any stage. My guess is that the Spanish DVB-T box
will work fine in the UK because, as far as I know, the DVB-T standard is
the same in all European countries.

Unfortunately DVB-T isn't identical across Europe - the UK MHEG fetish
being the most notable regional difference. However, in practice most
firmware caters for the variations and, interactive services aside,
there shouldn't be any problems.

ESB

That is analogue and in fact a lot of tvs simply had different software to
configure them for where they were aimed at toward the end, guess this made
more financial sense.

Brian

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Hi,

I live in Spain and will visit the Uk for Xmas and my parents would
like a DVB-T receiver. The Uk ones are about £20 - £30 upwards but
the ones in Spain in Carrfour can be bought from EURO 15.

Spain uses MHP for the services where are Freeview uses poor old
MHEG-5. Spain also uses more channels and VHF unlike the Uk.

I read on this BBC site about FreeView transmitting MHP and MHEG-5
alongside each other:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/brochur...d-mheg-mhp.pdf

Will the Spanish Freeview unit work with British DTT and does anyone
know about MHP implementations in Britain?

Many thanks.

PS. It does not matter that the interactive services work or not with
a Sp., receiver in the UK because my parents are unlikely to "press
the red button!".

For the sake of £10 more, buy one at Tesco, not worth the bother.

--
Regards,
David

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Not a good idea to buy a DVB-T in UK for use in Spain.
Many reasons from invalid warranty, to UK being PAL-I
and Spain being PAL-B
The PAL transmission standard is the same in nearly all areas
Being 625/50 line field rate, scan at 15,625, also same colour
subcarrier and processing, but the significant difference being
the designated broadcast frequency carriers used.
The impact in this Spain/UK scenario being that the sound carrier
resides at 5.5Mhz carrier with PAL-I (UK) But at 6Mhz above the
picture carrier with PAL-B (Spain, Netherlands etc)
The result will be that no sound will be received if used in Spain. All
use the 625/50 line/field rate..... scan at 15,625 h-lines/sec and use a
4.433618 color subcarrier frequency & PAL colD variants, designate the
broadcast frequency carriers used, as opposed to any variation of the
video format itself... PAL-I for example, has been allocated a wider
transmitter bandwidth than PAL-B, necessitating that the sound carrier
resides 6Mhz above the picture instead of 5.5 MHz above the picture
carrier. Thus a PAL-I TV (the United Kingdom for exampleor processing

And most TVs have PAL/SECAM/NTSC built-in so not a problem these days
either.
Thank-you all for your replies. I read (in the PDF I linked to
earlier) that the BBC had investigated transmitting tags for MHP and
MHEG-5 simulantiously.

I shall drop in Carrefour and have a peep around.