Feesat Satellite

On 09/12/2007 19:14, Geoff Lane wrote:

the new BBC and ITV freesat system

Y'know I've only just spotted the typo in the subject ...

"Marky P" wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:01:09 +0000 (UTC), David Taylor
wrote:

On 2007-12-10, Marky P wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:28:06 -0800 (PST), Mark Carver
wrote:


On Dec 9, 10:59 pm, Adrian C wrote:
But it will be through a BSkyB EPG, with BBC's channels relocated
somewhere where murdoch doesn't want viewers to find them.

so you think bbc 1 is moving to the 900s or something? - you're
paranoid.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a11204/bbc-confirms-sky-agreeme...

What will be on 101 & 102 next year? The above agreement comes to an
end
next year!

Ofcom rules state somewhere on their site that BBC1, BBC2, ITV1, C4,
and C5 have to be given, 'due prominance' on any UK based EPG. I
suspect Sky have little option but to keep them at 101/2.

Why do Sky channels start at 101. What's wrong with starting at 1?

What's wrong with starting at 101?

Even 001 would be better.

Would it? Really?

It would just end up confusing people, who try to go to channel 1 by
pressing "1" and don't get there. Having to type "0" "0" "1" would
no doubt cause problems.

Anyway, it wouldn't work now, since Sky use a leading 0 to distinguish
radio channels.

Call me old fashioned, but I never learned to count at school starting
at 101. BBC 1 on Freeview starts at 1. I know they couldn't change
it now, but it just sounds odd to me.

Marky P.


They probably could you know, (change it I mean)
After, all the behaviour of the initial zero changing
into radio mode was a feature downloaded to all
boxes in a firmware update about 4 or 5 years ago.
Maybe it could work with the box requiring the enter
key to be pressed after the channel:
1 enter bbc1
2 enter bbc2 etc
41 enter more four etc
channels could be any length, in practice 1-4 digits
if a valid number was keyed and enter was not pressed then
the box would go to that channel after 4 seconds.
I would imagine even the oldest DRX100 would be able to
do that.
--
Graham

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On 2007-12-10, Marky P wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:01:09 +0000 (UTC), David Taylor
wrote:

Would it? Really?

It would just end up confusing people, who try to go to channel 1 by
pressing "1" and don't get there. Having to type "0" "0" "1" would
no doubt cause problems.

Anyway, it wouldn't work now, since Sky use a leading 0 to distinguish
radio channels.

Call me old fashioned, but I never learned to count at school starting
at 101. BBC 1 on Freeview starts at 1. I know they couldn't change
it now, but it just sounds odd to me.

Well, they're not asking you to use it as a new method of counting,
merely as channel IDs.

Oddly, RF channels don't start at 1 either, do they?

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David Taylor

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:44:52 +0000, Marky P put finger to keyboard and
typed:

Call me old fashioned, but I never learned to count at school starting
at 101. BBC 1 on Freeview starts at 1. I know they couldn't change
it now, but it just sounds odd to me.

The problem with starting at 1 is that if you press "1", the box
doesn't know whether you actually mean channel 1, or whether you're
going to go on and press another key (eg, for channel 14) or even two
more (for, say, channel 173). So it can't change instantly; it has to
wait a while before acting on the press of a single "1" in case it's
just the start of a longer number. That delay has two effects: for
people who really do want channel 1, it's irritating having the box
wait for a possible further keypress before actually switching to
channel 1, and for people whe want another channel, they have to be
quick enough with their fingers to get the other digits pressed before
the delay is over and the box changes to channel 1 anyway. The latter
is particularly an issue for the elderly or others who have limited
use of their fingers and find it difficult to press numbers on a
keypad quickly enough.

With numbering starting at 101, on the other hand, there's no
ambiguity. The first and second keypresses do nothing on their own,
and the third completes the selection. So you can be as fast or slow
as you want in keying the numbers, and the box can act on them as soon
as the third is pressed.

Mark
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"Mark Goodge" wrote in message
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With numbering starting at 101, on the other hand, there's no
ambiguity. The first and second keypresses do nothing on their own,
and the third completes the selection. So you can be as fast or slow
as you want in keying the numbers, and the box can act on them as soon
as the third is pressed.


Sensible explanation.

Bill

"Mark Goodge" wrote in message
house.net...
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:44:52 +0000, Marky P put finger to keyboard and
typed:

Call me old fashioned, but I never learned to count at school starting
at 101. BBC 1 on Freeview starts at 1. I know they couldn't change
it now, but it just sounds odd to me.

The problem with starting at 1 is that if you press "1", the box
doesn't know whether you actually mean channel 1, or whether you're
going to go on and press another key (eg, for channel 14) or even two
more (for, say, channel 173). So it can't change instantly; it has to
wait a while before acting on the press of a single "1" in case it's
just the start of a longer number. That delay has two effects: for
people who really do want channel 1, it's irritating having the box
wait for a possible further keypress before actually switching to
channel 1, and for people whe want another channel, they have to be
quick enough with their fingers to get the other digits pressed before
the delay is over and the box changes to channel 1 anyway. The latter
is particularly an issue for the elderly or others who have limited
use of their fingers and find it difficult to press numbers on a
keypad quickly enough.

With numbering starting at 101, on the other hand, there's no
ambiguity. The first and second keypresses do nothing on their own,
and the third completes the selection. So you can be as fast or slow
as you want in keying the numbers, and the box can act on them as soon
as the third is pressed.

Mark


I just hope that when Freesat equipment becomes available you can put the
channels you want on a favourites list, in the sequence you want, and the
STB can be set to default to the favourites list, pressing 1 and nothing
more should give me the first channel in the list, (perhaps as a user
configurable option).

--
Michael Chare

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:18:32 -0000, "Bill Wright"
wrote:


"Mark Goodge" wrote in message
shouse.net...
With numbering starting at 101, on the other hand, there's no
ambiguity. The first and second keypresses do nothing on their own,
and the third completes the selection. So you can be as fast or slow
as you want in keying the numbers, and the box can act on them as soon
as the third is pressed.


Sensible explanation.

Bill

Don't have Sky myself, which is maybe why I find it unusual. What
about back in analogue sat days?

Marky P.

"Marky P" wrote in message
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Don't have Sky myself, which is maybe why I find it unusual. What
about back in analogue sat days?

Receivers varied.

Bill

Bill Wright wrote:
"Marky P" wrote in message
...
Don't have Sky myself, which is maybe why I find it unusual. What
about back in analogue sat days?

Receivers varied.

Bill



Could that be because you could allocate numbers yourself (it really
confused my VCR :-) )?

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"Marky P" wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:18:32 -0000, "Bill Wright"
wrote:


"Mark Goodge" wrote in message
kshouse.net...
With numbering starting at 101, on the other hand, there's no
ambiguity. The first and second keypresses do nothing on their own,
and the third completes the selection. So you can be as fast or slow
as you want in keying the numbers, and the box can act on them as soon
as the third is pressed.


Sensible explanation.

Bill

Don't have Sky myself, which is maybe why I find it unusual. What
about back in analogue sat days?

Marky P.


My Lidl sattelite receiver, tuned to Astra 19E and hotbird starts the
channel numbering at 1 and the last channel seems to be 1999. For single or
two digit numbers it pauses a short time then connects to the number
entered. No problem at all.

bhk