AT&T wooing EchoStar

Bob M wrote:

One more thing? Do you work for AT&T? That would sure explain a lot.
Why didn't you quote my entire reply? You only quote what you think will
prove your point. Again, do you work for AT&T? I have included my full
post that you deleted because I mention the negative truth about AT&T.

My point? What was my point? I was only trying to learn where in the
US a person at a time could order land line installation by a number
of different companies.

That makes me look like an AT&T employee? Oh, OK. I have actually never
worked for *any* telecommunications based company. Retired now, thanks.

Methinks you're a tad on the defensive side.

http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:01:10 -0700, joeturn2000
wrote:

On Oct 1, 12:08 pm, Jeff Burris wrote:
And after all the breaking up and recombining, they still have
monopolistic practices.

We are still paying an extra fee for touch tone service (DTMF dialing)
that became available in the early 60s. If there were true competition,
features like this would be included in the basic service!

--
Jeff Burris
at&t (SBC) customer
Salina, Kansas

What if it was echostars only way out of bankruotcy?? FTA has put all
DBS stations in jepordy! DTV use to have 10,000,000 customers now they
have 4.2mil! Echostar now is furnishing FTA/DVB compliant free TV.So

Get your numbers right.. Neither DBS Sat service is going bankrupt.

DTV.. has close to 17 million customers and
DISH has ~14 million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:S...ubscribers.png

I'm oppose any purchase deal by ATT, since it would add additional
debt for zero gain.. I.E. Major Increase in prices..

I doubt Charlie Ergan is going to accept an ATT stock swap due to
ongoing legal actions against ATT for spying, (possible AT&T and
Verizon bankruptcies). Any deal to purchase Dish is going to require
lots of Cash or no deal.

T. Keating wrote:



Get your numbers right.. Neither DBS Sat service is going bankrupt.

DTV.. has close to 17 million customers and
DISH has ~14 million.

What does the number of subscribers have to do with whether they are
going bankrupt or not? They could still be losing money hand over fist.

--
Jeff Burris
Salina, Kansas

Jeff Burris writes:
T. Keating wrote:

Get your numbers right.. Neither DBS Sat service is going bankrupt.

DTV.. has close to 17 million customers and
DISH has ~14 million.

What does the number of subscribers have to do with whether they are
going bankrupt or not? They could still be losing money hand over fist.

Whether they are or not losing money, one of you could cite some
numbers from their quarterly or annual reports and not be arguing
from ignorance.

"Everett M. Greene" wrote in message
...
Jeff Burris writes:
T. Keating wrote:

Get your numbers right.. Neither DBS Sat service is going bankrupt.

DTV.. has close to 17 million customers and
DISH has ~14 million.

What does the number of subscribers have to do with whether they are
going bankrupt or not? They could still be losing money hand over fist.

Whether they are or not losing money, one of you could cite some
numbers from their quarterly or annual reports and not be arguing
from ignorance.

Name one company that doesn't fudge their stockholder reports ?

By the time they do admit the red ink is terminal, it usually too late.
Ever hear of "ENRON"

"Everett M. Greene" wrote in message
...
Jeff Burris writes:
T. Keating wrote:

Get your numbers right.. Neither DBS Sat service is going bankrupt.

DTV.. has close to 17 million customers and
DISH has ~14 million.

What does the number of subscribers have to do with whether they are
going bankrupt or not? They could still be losing money hand over fist.

Whether they are or not losing money, one of you could cite some
numbers from their quarterly or annual reports and not be arguing
from ignorance.


OK. From a purely stock purchase perspective, EchoStar (and DISH) look
attractive.

During the past 6 years revenues have increased at a steady 19.8% per year.
Earning (net) Per Share is projected to grow from an estimated 2007 level of
$4.80 to $7.00 by 2010-12 (ValueLines way of saying 2011 -- plus or minus a
year). ValueLine ranks its "Timeliness" for purchases at 2 on a scale of
1=Best to 5=Worst.

Sure doesn't look like a stock in trouble any time soon.

If you care to plow through VL's narrative (Conclusion pulled to top):


These timely shares have above average
3- to 5-year price appreciation

potential. Partnerships and the increasing

availability of high definition

services will likely bolster earnings out to

the 2010-2012 period.

===================================

EchoStar is positioning itself to finish

the latter half of 2007 on a bright

note. Second quarter earnings rose 25%

year over year, on revenue growth of 12%,

setting the stage for the top- and bottomlines

to reach record highs for the full

year. This growth reflects tighter controls

on Subscriber Acquisition Costs (SAC),

such as re-deploying older equipment and

investments into cost-effective technology.

The increase of about 170,000 net subscribers

in the June quarter was a good

sign. Other positives were a decrease in

average subscriber churn rate and a 5%

rise in average monthly revenue per subscriber

(ARPU). The improving results we

project should go a long way toward bolstering

corporate finance. Overall, we look

for a gain of 18% in share net for the full

year. Looking forward,

This momentum should lift earnings

nearly 30% in 2008, reflecting an expected

widening margin between ARPU and

SAC, as well as the benefits from an

agreement with Wi-Max provider Clearwire.

Clearwire will offer voice services

and high-speed internet access on its wireless

high-speed network, while DISH will

reciprocally offer video services. Even

though DirecTV, one of the company's

major competitors, has also signed on to

the deal, it should still assist in countering

the ''triple play'' competition, as well as

new threats posed by Verizon and AT&T,

both of which have recently entered the

video marketplace.

The company has taken steps to bolster

earnings growth over the next

few years. A narrowed focus on new and

existing customers has been benefiting the

bottom line by individualizing subscription

packages per customer, which helps to

widen the margin between revenue and

SAC. Improvements in customer care and

the addition of call centers have also

helped with customer retention. A shift

towards high definition programming

should reap rewards, as consumers' interests

are shifting into this direction.

John D. Burke

On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:23:06 -0700, "DonC"
wrote:


"Everett M. Greene" wrote in message
...
Jeff Burris writes:
T. Keating wrote:

Get your numbers right.. Neither DBS Sat service is going bankrupt.

DTV.. has close to 17 million customers and
DISH has ~14 million.

What does the number of subscribers have to do with whether they are
going bankrupt or not? They could still be losing money hand over fist.

Whether they are or not losing money, one of you could cite some
numbers from their quarterly or annual reports and not be arguing
from ignorance.


OK. From a purely stock purchase perspective, EchoStar (and DISH) look
attractive.

During the past 6 years revenues have increased at a steady 19.8% per year.
Earning (net) Per Share is projected to grow from an estimated 2007 level of
$4.80 to $7.00 by 2010-12 (ValueLines way of saying 2011 -- plus or minus a
year). ValueLine ranks its "Timeliness" for purchases at 2 on a scale of
1=Best to 5=Worst.

Sure doesn't look like a stock in trouble any time soon.

If you care to plow through VL's narrative (Conclusion pulled to top):


These timely shares have above average
3- to 5-year price appreciation

potential. Partnerships and the increasing

availability of high definition

services will likely bolster earnings out to

the 2010-2012 period.

===================================

EchoStar is positioning itself to finish

the latter half of 2007 on a bright

note. Second quarter earnings rose 25%

year over year, on revenue growth of 12%,

setting the stage for the top- and bottomlines

to reach record highs for the full

year. This growth reflects tighter controls

on Subscriber Acquisition Costs (SAC),

such as re-deploying older equipment and

investments into cost-effective technology.

The increase of about 170,000 net subscribers

in the June quarter was a good

sign. Other positives were a decrease in

average subscriber churn rate and a 5%

rise in average monthly revenue per subscriber

(ARPU). The improving results we

project should go a long way toward bolstering

corporate finance. Overall, we look

for a gain of 18% in share net for the full

year. Looking forward,

This momentum should lift earnings

nearly 30% in 2008, reflecting an expected

widening margin between ARPU and

SAC, as well as the benefits from an

agreement with Wi-Max provider Clearwire.

Clearwire will offer voice services

and high-speed internet access on its wireless

high-speed network, while DISH will

reciprocally offer video services. Even

though DirecTV, one of the company's

major competitors, has also signed on to

the deal, it should still assist in countering

the ''triple play'' competition, as well as

new threats posed by Verizon and AT&T,

both of which have recently entered the

video marketplace.

The company has taken steps to bolster

earnings growth over the next

few years. A narrowed focus on new and

existing customers has been benefiting the

bottom line by individualizing subscription

packages per customer, which helps to

widen the margin between revenue and

SAC. Improvements in customer care and

the addition of call centers have also

helped with customer retention. A shift

towards high definition programming

should reap rewards, as consumers' interests

are shifting into this direction.

John D. Burke


I'll bet Tivo is really happy to hear that Echostar is doing so well.
Looks like they'll be able to pay off that huge judgement.

--
Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

Everett M. Greene wrote:

Jeff Burris writes:

T. Keating wrote:


Get your numbers right.. Neither DBS Sat service is going bankrupt.

DTV.. has close to 17 million customers and
DISH has ~14 million.


What does the number of subscribers have to do with whether they are
going bankrupt or not? They could still be losing money hand over fist.


Whether they are or not losing money, one of you could cite some
numbers from their quarterly or annual reports and not be arguing
from ignorance.

Whose arguing?

--
Jeff Burris
Salina, Kansas

Jeff Burris wrote:

Whether they are or not losing money, one of you could cite some
numbers from their quarterly or annual reports and not be arguing
from ignorance.

Whose arguing?

Who's.

UCLAN wrote:

Jeff Burris wrote:

Whether they are or not losing money, one of you could cite some
numbers from their quarterly or annual reports and not be arguing
from ignorance.


Whose arguing?


Who's.

Are you trying to start an arugment?


Jeff