TiVo Users on Digital Cable??

In article , (Joe Smith)
wrote:

*From:* Joe Smith
*Date:* Sun, 21 Oct 2007 03:13:41 -0700

Wes Newell wrote:

Again, you're talking about a USB port to serial adapter and I
was talking
about a serial port to usb adapter.

Oh, so you believe those two things are different. They're not.
-Joe

They are different as you will need gender changers to allow one to be physically
used as the other.

Stephen

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:49:37 GMT,
(Stephen Forbes) wrote:

In article , (Joe Smith)
wrote:

*From:* Joe Smith
*Date:* Sun, 21 Oct 2007 03:13:41 -0700

Wes Newell wrote:

Again, you're talking about a USB port to serial adapter and I
was talking
about a serial port to usb adapter.

Oh, so you believe those two things are different. They're not.
-Joe

They are different as you will need gender changers to allow one to be physically
used as the other.

Stephen


The words can easily be confusing, but the two things can still be
quite different.

Such an adapter can be used to add a serial port to a computer (A TiVo
is a computer, so is a satellite receiver) that has only USB. It CAN
NOT be used to provide a USB port on a computer that has only serial.
The proper plug adapters (such as gender changers, remember you'd need
adapters for both ends) can allow it to be plugged in but that is far
from making it work. USB requires a controller, and software drivers
that are totally missing from the latter use (adding USB to a
serial-only computer).

And I thought I didn't know that much about USB...

"Those who think they know everything usually know very little."
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On Oct 21, 3:22 am, Joe Smith wrote:
Jazz_Azz wrote:
Now anyone here own a stand alone TiVo, preferrably the Series 2 DT,
who is on Satellite???? Have you overcome any of the limitations with
satellite, using multiple receivers, or a receiver with more than one
tuner??

I am. http://www.inwap.com/tivo/SmithTV2007.gifshows how I have my
Dual Tuner TiVo connected to satellite (and to basic no-frills cable).
That TiVo records everything from satellite, except when there is a
conflict and second program is also available on basic cable.

Without the connection to basic cable, my DT's second tuner would be
completely worthless.

To repeat: A DT TiVo connected to satellite only becomes a single-tuner device.
It will not be able to record two things at the same time with that hookup.

-Joe

I have only had mine since Sept 30th, and can't recall having recorded
two programs at the same time yet. I do however enjoy recording one,
while I am watching a live program using the other tuner for the pause
and resume TIVO feature (Bathroom breaks, etc.), or the Wife isn't
just ready to get into the room, missing the beginning of a program,
so I have to go back to the beginning a few minutes. None of which
would be possible only being able to use one tuner. So for me,PPL like
me that just bought a Series 2 DT, with a 3yr. service contract (Like
I did), the switch over to an all digital worldS_U_C_K_S!!!!! Yet
they are still being sold in Circuit City, etc. AND TIVOS web site.
Just hope that our local cable sticks to their word, continuing analog
to their analog customers, at least getting me through my service
contract. THEN off to satellite, using their DVR. TIVO must also be
****ed about this entire situation.

Now don't get me wrong. I understand the reasoning behind the switch
over, freeing up so many frequencies that can be used for emergency,
etc. service. But I think, even though there is some truth to that,
and that will occur, it is more a matter of GREED and the Government
making a bunch of bucks over it. They should have developed HD for
those that want it and give a rats behind about being a videophile,
and ran the old system concurrently, for those who just want to keep
their systems as they are, being totally satisfied. In this case, yes
change may be good, but not for the majority of us. But I am a 58 yr.
old dinosaur, AND this is just IMHO :-).

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:48:44 GMT, Wes Newell
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:40:20 -0400, Peter Pan wrote:

Don't know about Motorola, but my pace's all have USB (Universal Serial
Bus)... Places like best buy and staples sell 9 pin d shell to USB
connectors (about $1.50... serial only uses 4 wires/pins, so does USB, most
mouses and stuff for computers are USB, but most desktops are 9 pin d shell,
ergo they make sell/converters)... So is you have USB, maybe you just need
the end?

The PC serial port uses a lot more than 4 wires. And it only uses 2 for
actual datacom. Pins are;

1 CD (Carrier detect)
2 RD (receive data)
3 TD (transmit data)
4 DTR (data terminal ready)
5 SG (signal ground)
6 DSR (data set ready)
7 RTS (request to send)
8 CTS (clear to send)
9 RI (ring indicator)

Using hardware flow control all except RI are used. I haven't looked to
see how the serial to USB adapters actually communicate with the serial
port, but I'd think they'd be fixed baudrate with HW flow control since SW
flow control (X-on/X-off) doesn't work well at all over 300 baud.

Different ones probably do it differently, but the one I remember
looks like a regular hardware serial port (8250?) and can be
programmed just like one.
--
65 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is
not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has
no place in the curriculum of our nation's public
school classes." -- Ted Kennedy

In article ,
lid (Mark Lloyd) wrote:

The words can easily be confusing, but the two things can still be
quite different.

I realise all that, my comment was simple proof that the 2 types of adapter are not
the same as the previous poster stated. I was pointing out that the connectors
themselves prevent such interchangability without at least the use of gender
changers. Whether it would still work is another matter entirely.

Stephen

On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:39:44 GMT,
(Stephen Forbes) wrote:

In article ,
(Mark Lloyd) wrote:

The words can easily be confusing, but the two things can still be
quite different.

I realise all that, my comment was simple proof that the 2 types of adapter are not
the same as the previous poster stated. I was pointing out that the connectors
themselves prevent such interchangability without at least the use of gender
changers. Whether it would still work is another matter entirely.


And it obviously wouldn't.

I considered trying it anyway. I had all the parts except one: The USB
A-female gender changer. I don't have one of those, and they are hard
to find (if findable at all) since they're so useless.

Stephen
--
64 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is
not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has
no place in the curriculum of our nation's public
school classes." -- Ted Kennedy