Blu-ray/HD

So who's winning this standards battle? Who will go the way of the
Betamax? Just wondering.
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So who's winning this standards battle? Who will go the way of the
Betamax? Just wondering.

Both.

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http://www.news.com/False-starts-in-...s/2100-1041_3-
6213412.html

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But NPD uncovered a very telling statistic in its 2007 report on high-
definition video: 73 percent of current HDTV owners "are satisfied with
DVD and don't feel the need to replace" their current players.

Ultimately, DVDs are good enough for most people. Most consumers
probably already own a DVD player. If they don't, the average price is
certainly more attractive than those of either HD DVD or Blu-ray
players. Though prices of both have come way down in the last nine
months, the average price for next-generation DVD players is $390 more
than standard DVD players.

"DVD is a victim of its own success. It's a good technology," said Josh
Martin, an analyst with Yankee Group Research. Plus, the step up to DVD
from VHS tapes is not analogous to the step up from DVD to high-
definition discs. "Next-gen isn't redefining, it's more tweaking of the
technology. Content owners think it's a bigger leap, but consumers look
at (a next-generation disc), and it's a disc, and it's not worth $600 or
whatever" for the player to go with it.

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thepixelfreak wrote in news:2007101609322275249%
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So who's winning this standards battle? Who will go the way of the
Betamax? Just wondering.

Both.

From

http://www.news.com/False-starts-in-...s/2100-1041_3-
6213412.html

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But NPD uncovered a very telling statistic in its 2007 report on high-
definition video: 73 percent of current HDTV owners "are satisfied with
DVD and don't feel the need to replace" their current players.

I own a OPPO DVD player that outputs 1080i/60 into my 1080p/60 HDTV set. On
some DVD material it looks as good or even better than some HDVT material
currently available on cable. My superbit DVD's look superb.

Richard

thepixelfreak wrote:

So who's winning this standards battle? Who will go the way of the
Betamax? Just wondering.

I'd like to see Blu-ray win the battle with
its better scalability, potential for
technical growth and media durability.

I'm fascinated by Toppan Printing's
experimental production of small (25GB)
Blu-ray discs.

But, HD-DVD meets today's minimum requirement
for 2/3 of consumers (HD rental movie).
Consumerism decided the Beta-VHS fight so,
I'd put my money on HD-DVD.

Interesting link:

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/34235/113/

This tiny sample of the Netflix audience
wasn't enough to make it statistically solid;
but, it could be the tip of an iceberg and
an indicator that everyone has been waiting for.

Could be that the *HD* in the trademark
really works. The average Joe looking for a
movie in "HD" couldn't give a rat's-ass about
whether it's a blue laser that does the job.

OTOH, if media durability becomes an issue
and costs the rental outfits a bundle, and,
Time-Warner/et al. can't fix it....

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pete#2

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Pete #2 wrote:

Could be that the *HD* in the trademark
really works. The average Joe looking for a
movie in "HD" couldn't give a rat's-ass about
whether it's a blue laser that does the job.

Sony made the same mistake in marketing their Mini-Disc.
Their ads proclaimed, "I can record on a disc! I can record on a disc!"
Consumers didn't give a rat's ass about what they recorded on, as long as
they could play it in their cars.

So, Blu-Ray has a "who cares" name, and now there's the "must upgrade the
firmware" issue. Doesn't look good for them.

When you consider the "brilliance" of Sony with their Beta, Atrac and Mini-
Disc formats/technologies, the safe bet would be that BlueRay will fail
miserably.

Richard wrote:

I own a OPPO DVD player that outputs 1080i/60 into my 1080p/60 HDTV set. On
some DVD material it looks as good or even better than some HDVT material
currently available on cable. My superbit DVD's look superb.


agreed

OPPO (www.oppodigital.com) has 3 models

last i checked at roughly $150, $190 and $230.
the $150 and $230 units also play SACD (Super
Audio CD)

and my $230 unit has gotten a very heavy load of
play use this past 6 months, so they appear to
make very robust units (something i can't say
about less expensive DVD player units)

HD-DVD and BR appear to me to be a solution
in search of a problem

bill

Pete #2 wrote:

thepixelfreak wrote:

So who's winning this standards battle? Who will go the way of the
Betamax? Just wondering.


I'd like to see Blu-ray win the battle with its better scalability,
potential for technical growth and media durability.


i haven't been following this thing much

i still remember the Beta vs. VHS disaster.

have you seen any recent site/cite on media
durability actually being significantly better
with Blu-ray???



Interesting link:
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/34235/113/


pretty short

last sentence has merit:
"The more important statistic is that neither
high-def format is even close to matching DVD demand.
According to compete.com, only 0.3% of all Netflix
viewers even viewed the Blu-ray or HD DVD sections."

bill

thepixelfreak schrieb:

So who's winning this standards battle? Who will go the way of the
Betamax? Just wondering.
Since most of the production studios are recording in blu-ray nowerdays
i think blu-ray will be in front in the end

Sven Scheik wrote:
thepixelfreak schrieb:

So who's winning this standards battle? Who will go the way of the
Betamax? Just wondering.
Since most of the production studios are recording in blu-ray nowerdays
i think blu-ray will be in front in the end

Source: http://www.dvdpricesearch.com

Titles in production or announced:

HD-DVD 396
Blu-Ray 468

That doesn't sound like an overwhelming difference in the number of
titles available in either format.

Interestingly enough, the proponents of both are acting like their lives
depend on the success for their format. The competition in promotions is
fierce, ranging from free discs with player purchase to free player with
TV purchase.

In the interest of full disclosure, I have the top of the line HD-XA2,
which cost me less than an entry level Blu-ray player and came with five
free HD-DVDs.

I already have more invested in HD-DVDs than I paid for the player.

Matthew

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On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:53:03 -0700 Pete #2 wrote:

| But, HD-DVD meets today's minimum requirement
| for 2/3 of consumers (HD rental movie).
| Consumerism decided the Beta-VHS fight so,
| I'd put my money on HD-DVD.

That's not entirely true. Much of the content industry choose to put
their content on VHS only. Consumers of that content had no choice.

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