DLP, plasma, LCD comparison

Within the next 12 months or so I will be looking for a large screen
high fidelity TV, and I'm trying to sort out the advantages and
disadvantages of the various types. (I'm sure this has been asked
previously, and if there is a FAQ regarding this subject, perhaps
someone can direct me to it.)

Since the wide screen TV will probably be positioned farther back in the
room, closer to the front wall and thus, farther away from the viewers,
I think I would need a larger screen than normal. (E.g., the screen is
farther away, so naturally, I need a larger screen. - Seems rather
obvious.) So, I think a 60-62-inch screen would be about right.

From the ads, and demos at dealers in our area, it seems that, for a
60-inch screen HD, the DLP rear projections are by far the most
reasonably priced. There are some plasmas available, but I don't see
many LCD flat screens.

Regarding the resolution, while I may not be able to tell the difference
between a 720p and a 1080P from 14 feet away, I'm leaning toward the
1080P. The future certainly seems to be heading toward 1080 resolution,
and I don't buy new TVs very often. - I don't want to sit there and say
to myself, that's a good picture, but I wonder how it would look on a
1080 set. I could rationalize and tell myself that it doesn't make much
difference sitting far away from the screen, but then again, I might
want to move my chair closer to the screen and enjoy all the detail and
the beautiful pictures possible with 1080 programming.

With all this in mind, could somone give me some guidlines regarding the
advantages and disadvantages of the major types of TV. As understood,
few HD LCDs are being offered in this size at rational prices. Plasmas
are available, and perhaps they are the best choice, but they are also
fairly expensive. DLPs are also available with 1080p and 60-plus
screens, and they are priced considerably lower than the plasmas. - If
I got a good 60-inch DLP, with 6 or 7 rotatable color elements to
minimize rainbows, what would I be missing (what disadvantages would I
see) as compared with a 60-inch 1080P plasma? A picture that is not
quite a bright as the plasmas?

Also, if I wait for another 12 months or so, what could I expect as far
as new technical developments, better pricing, etc.?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Jim

"JimC" wrote in message
...

Within the next 12 months or so I will be looking for a large screen
high fidelity TV, and I'm trying to sort out the advantages and
disadvantages of the various types. (I'm sure this has been asked
previously, and if there is a FAQ regarding this subject, perhaps
someone can direct me to it.)

Since the wide screen TV will probably be positioned farther back in the
room, closer to the front wall and thus, farther away from the viewers,
I think I would need a larger screen than normal. (E.g., the screen is
farther away, so naturally, I need a larger screen. - Seems rather
obvious.) So, I think a 60-62-inch screen would be about right.

From the ads, and demos at dealers in our area, it seems that, for a
60-inch screen HD, the DLP rear projections are by far the most
reasonably priced. There are some plasmas available, but I don't see
many LCD flat screens.

Regarding the resolution, while I may not be able to tell the difference
between a 720p and a 1080P from 14 feet away, I'm leaning toward the
1080P.

Maybe you want to wait for 1620P. It is coming in 2 or 3 years.

If you have that much room, don't mess around with a tiny tv:

http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=JVCHD70FH97

:-)

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http://davidclary.com

Ar Q wrote:
"JimC" wrote in message
...

Within the next 12 months or so I will be looking for a large screen
high fidelity TV, and I'm trying to sort out the advantages and
disadvantages of the various types. (I'm sure this has been asked
previously, and if there is a FAQ regarding this subject, perhaps
someone can direct me to it.)

Since the wide screen TV will probably be positioned farther back in the
room, closer to the front wall and thus, farther away from the viewers,
I think I would need a larger screen than normal. (E.g., the screen is
farther away, so naturally, I need a larger screen. - Seems rather
obvious.) So, I think a 60-62-inch screen would be about right.

From the ads, and demos at dealers in our area, it seems that, for a
60-inch screen HD, the DLP rear projections are by far the most
reasonably priced. There are some plasmas available, but I don't see
many LCD flat screens.

Regarding the resolution, while I may not be able to tell the difference
between a 720p and a 1080P from 14 feet away, I'm leaning toward the
1080P.


Maybe you want to wait for 1620P. It is coming in 2 or 3 years.


Great idea! Thanks for mentioning it.

I take it that my comments regarding getting a larger flat panel were
offensive in some way. But was my explanation, or my logic, incorrect? -
In other words, if you are going to build a home theater in which you
use a flat panel, and put it on the wall, or farther away from the
viewers than your present TV, isn't it logical to go with a large screen
to compensate for the increased viewing distance? Also, I thought a
"home theater" would have a larger screen in the first place to give the
viewer more of a "you are there" experience. The screens in theaters
are all quite large, with a viewing angle much larger than most flat
panels typically provide in typical home installations. - For example,
the recommended diagonal size for screens used in HD front projection
systems is typically around .5X - .7X the viewing distance. In other
words, a 50-inch flat panel in a typical living room isn't a "home
theater" IMHO.

Getting back to my note, can someone provide an opinion comparing the
good and bad points of a 60 - 70 1080p DLP to a plasma of similar size
and resolution?

Jim

JimC wrote:

Getting back to my note, can someone provide an opinion comparing the
good and bad points of a 60 - 70 1080p DLP to a plasma of similar size
and resolution?

Jim

I have a Mitsubishi 65732 1080p dlp. The best thing
about it is the picture, plus it was only $2200. I
do not know how it compares to a plasma picture-wise.

Chip

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On Oct 1, 4:09 pm, "Ar Q" wrote:
"JimC" wrote in message

...

Maybe you want to wait for 1620P. It is coming in 2 or 3 years.

Besides for video games, what is 1620p? Do you think all those
production facilities with their $100,000+ tape machines are just
going to rush out and replace them all before they're amortized? Don't
hold your breath on that one. Now if you get a bunch of rich friends
to bankroll it........... Not in 2 or 3 years.

GG

JimC wrote:

Within the next 12 months or so I will be looking for a large screen
high fidelity TV, and I'm trying to sort out the advantages and
disadvantages of the various types. (I'm sure this has been asked
previously, and if there is a FAQ regarding this subject, perhaps
someone can direct me to it.)

Since the wide screen TV will probably be positioned farther back in the
room, closer to the front wall and thus, farther away from the viewers,
I think I would need a larger screen than normal. (E.g., the screen is
farther away, so naturally, I need a larger screen. - Seems rather
obvious.) So, I think a 60-62-inch screen would be about right.

From the ads, and demos at dealers in our area, it seems that, for a
60-inch screen HD, the DLP rear projections are by far the most
reasonably priced. There are some plasmas available, but I don't see
many LCD flat screens.

Regarding the resolution, while I may not be able to tell the difference
between a 720p and a 1080P from 14 feet away, I'm leaning toward the
1080P. The future certainly seems to be heading toward 1080 resolution,
and I don't buy new TVs very often. - I don't want to sit there and say
to myself, that's a good picture, but I wonder how it would look on a
1080 set. I could rationalize and tell myself that it doesn't make much
difference sitting far away from the screen, but then again, I might
want to move my chair closer to the screen and enjoy all the detail and
the beautiful pictures possible with 1080 programming.

With all this in mind, could somone give me some guidlines regarding the
advantages and disadvantages of the major types of TV. As understood,
few HD LCDs are being offered in this size at rational prices. Plasmas
are available, and perhaps they are the best choice, but they are also
fairly expensive. DLPs are also available with 1080p and 60-plus
screens, and they are priced considerably lower than the plasmas. - If
I got a good 60-inch DLP, with 6 or 7 rotatable color elements to
minimize rainbows, what would I be missing (what disadvantages would I
see) as compared with a 60-inch 1080P plasma? A picture that is not
quite a bright as the plasmas?

Also, if I wait for another 12 months or so, what could I expect as far
as new technical developments, better pricing, etc.?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Jim

If you are considering DLP also take a look
LCoS technology from Hughes Electronics in
the JVC sets. Three separate light engines,
no color wheel.

Lamp wattage in last year's sets was 110 and
that was plenty. This year it's 120. Total
for my 56 inch set is 218w. (more green than
anything else this large.)

Excellent rendering of both ATSC and NTSC
signals.

I like football in HD. HD56FN97 handles
motion nicely in either 720p or 1080i.

--
pete#2

On Oct 1, 12:03 pm, JimC wrote:
Within the next 12 months or so I will be looking for a large
screen
high fidelity TV, and I'm trying to sort out the advantages and
disadvantages of the various types. (I'm sure this has been asked
previously, and if there is a FAQ regarding this subject, perhaps
someone can direct me to it.)

Since the wide screen TV will probably be positioned farther back
in the
room, closer to the front wall and thus, farther away from the
viewers,
I think I would need a larger screen than normal. (E.g., the screen
is
farther away, so naturally, I need a larger screen. - Seems rather
obvious.) So, I think a 60-62-inch screen would be about right.

From the ads, and demos at dealers in our area, it seems that, for
a
60-inch screen HD, the DLP rear projections are by far the most
reasonably priced. There are some plasmas available, but I don't
see
many LCD flat screens.

Regarding the resolution, while I may not be able to tell the
difference
between a 720p and a 1080P from 14 feet away, I'm leaning toward
the
1080P. The future certainly seems to be heading toward 1080
resolution,
and I don't buy new TVs very often. - I don't want to sit there and
say
to myself, that's a good picture, but I wonder how it would look on
a
1080 set. I could rationalize and tell myself that it doesn't make
much
difference sitting far away from the screen, but then again, I
might
want to move my chair closer to the screen and enjoy all the detail
and
the beautiful pictures possible with 1080 programming.

With all this in mind, could somone give me some guidlines
regarding the
advantages and disadvantages of the major types of TV. As
understood,
few HD LCDs are being offered in this size at rational prices.
Plasmas
are available, and perhaps they are the best choice, but they are
also
fairly expensive. DLPs are also available with 1080p and 60-plus
screens, and they are priced considerably lower than the plasmas. -
If
I got a good 60-inch DLP, with 6 or 7 rotatable color elements to
minimize rainbows, what would I be missing (what disadvantages
would I
see) as compared with a 60-inch 1080P plasma? A picture that is not
quite a bright as the plasmas?

Also, if I wait for another 12 months or so, what could I expect as
far
as new technical developments, better pricing, etc.?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Jim

Plasma has excellent color, black level and viewing angles but has
issues with burn in. I know its _supposed_ to be better now but
phosphor by its very nature has problems. I'm told that plasma power
consumption is similar to LCD but it waries with program content like
a CRT set. Black screen is minimum power. White is max.

Flat panel LCD used to have viewing angle issues but the newest ones
look pretty good to me. Black level can be nearly as good as plasma
and color is very good. I have heard of some burn in issues with these
as well. Power consumption might vary with dynamic contrast.

DLP has the dreaded rainbow issue which some folks see (but no one at
my house). Viewing angle not as good as plasma and flat LCD but is
acceptable on the couch. Black levels not as good as flat panels but
is acceptable with room lights on. Power consumption is a constant and
there are no burn in issues.

Rear projection LCD are constant power, some possible burn in. Power
consumption is constant but some may have dynamic brightness systems.
Viewing angle issues and black levels similar to DLP.

Size? we had a 35" CRT and went to a 50" DLP. Seemed like a big change
but I wish it was bigger even when sitting only 10 feet back.

Find a good store, pick out what you like and then BUY IT FROM THEM as
they provide you a service and deserve to be paid.

Or you can trust someone here, go for price and hope you like it.

Good luck

GG

G-squared wrote:
On Oct 1, 12:03 pm, JimC wrote:
Within the next 12 months or so I will be looking for a large
screen
high fidelity TV, and I'm trying to sort out the advantages and
disadvantages of the various types. (I'm sure this has been asked
previously, and if there is a FAQ regarding this subject, perhaps
someone can direct me to it.)

Since the wide screen TV will probably be positioned farther back
in the
room, closer to the front wall and thus, farther away from the
viewers,
I think I would need a larger screen than normal. (E.g., the screen
is
farther away, so naturally, I need a larger screen. - Seems rather
obvious.) So, I think a 60-62-inch screen would be about right.

From the ads, and demos at dealers in our area, it seems that, for
a
60-inch screen HD, the DLP rear projections are by far the most
reasonably priced. There are some plasmas available, but I don't
see
many LCD flat screens.

Regarding the resolution, while I may not be able to tell the
difference
between a 720p and a 1080P from 14 feet away, I'm leaning toward
the
1080P. The future certainly seems to be heading toward 1080
resolution,
and I don't buy new TVs very often. - I don't want to sit there and
say
to myself, that's a good picture, but I wonder how it would look on
a
1080 set. I could rationalize and tell myself that it doesn't make
much
difference sitting far away from the screen, but then again, I
might
want to move my chair closer to the screen and enjoy all the detail
and
the beautiful pictures possible with 1080 programming.

With all this in mind, could somone give me some guidlines
regarding the
advantages and disadvantages of the major types of TV. As
understood,
few HD LCDs are being offered in this size at rational prices.
Plasmas
are available, and perhaps they are the best choice, but they are
also
fairly expensive. DLPs are also available with 1080p and 60-plus
screens, and they are priced considerably lower than the plasmas. -
If
I got a good 60-inch DLP, with 6 or 7 rotatable color elements to
minimize rainbows, what would I be missing (what disadvantages
would I
see) as compared with a 60-inch 1080P plasma? A picture that is not
quite a bright as the plasmas?

Also, if I wait for another 12 months or so, what could I expect as
far
as new technical developments, better pricing, etc.?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Jim

Plasma has excellent color, black level and viewing angles but has
issues with burn in. I know its _supposed_ to be better now but
phosphor by its very nature has problems. I'm told that plasma power
consumption is similar to LCD but it waries with program content like
a CRT set. Black screen is minimum power. White is max.

Flat panel LCD used to have viewing angle issues but the newest ones
look pretty good to me. Black level can be nearly as good as plasma
and color is very good. I have heard of some burn in issues with these
as well. Power consumption might vary with dynamic contrast.

DLP has the dreaded rainbow issue which some folks see (but no one at
my house). Viewing angle not as good as plasma and flat LCD but is
acceptable on the couch. Black levels not as good as flat panels but
is acceptable with room lights on. Power consumption is a constant and
there are no burn in issues.

Rear projection LCD are constant power, some possible burn in. Power
consumption is constant but some may have dynamic brightness systems.
Viewing angle issues and black levels similar to DLP.

Size? we had a 35" CRT and went to a 50" DLP. Seemed like a big change
but I wish it was bigger even when sitting only 10 feet back.

Find a good store, pick out what you like and then BUY IT FROM THEM as
they provide you a service and deserve to be paid.

Or you can trust someone here, go for price and hope you like it.

Good luck

GG

Thanks to all for the suggestions. I recently bought a 35-inch CRT
primarily for my wife, who watches game shows, soaps, old movies, etc.,
and for which I watch the news, etc. Most of this programming is still
in the 4:3 format. The price (used) was $238, which I thought was a good
buy. It would take quite a large 16:9 screen to give her the same size
images. But in the future, I will be looking for a larger wide-screen
HD. My own primary TV is a 720P front projector with 92-inch screen,
which I really enjoy. It's particularly good for sports and for DVDs of
musical performances. The pull-down screen reduces clutter and lets us
use the room as a music/library room when the TV isn't on.

Regarding the wide screen flat panels, this month's Consumer Report
includes a review. Interesting that the most common complaint of new
owners is that they wish they had bought a bigger set.

Jim

On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:29:02 -0500, Audio expert wrote:

Plasma to me has a screen door effect, the pixels are too big and destroies
the clarity. DLP excellent, very good, and Lcd very good. Lcd has a time
problem and plasma has a time in year problem also. None of the TV of to
day has a track record. CRT Tvs has a record for years and some can work up
to 15- 20 years.
What is the Plasmas, LCDs, or DLPs going to look like in 5-10 years. DLPs
need to have a light bulb changed out so often, costing up to $300.00 each.

The main problem I see with plasma is electricity use. Plasmas are power
hungry little devils, using about twice as much as LCD. That doubles the
cost of operating them. The monthly cost to operate a 600W plasma 8 hours
a day would be about $20 here, while an LCD or DLP would be less than $10.
I was a little more than surprised when I looked up just how much juice a
plasma used.

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