120Hz Worth The Cost? And the Samsung LNT4671F

Hi,

We are getting an HDTV for our daughter for graduation. She had
been considering the Samsung LNT4065F but is now considering
the LNT4671F for its larger screen and 120Hz display. I am still
watching on a 12" Muntz and have no real experience with the big
screen LCDs. Is 120Hz worthwhile (see below) and is the LNT4671F
a good choice? Budget is $3000 with the balance to go to a player or
sound system. Source will likely be Amazon. Is there a better one?

She and her roommate are movie buffs and will watch 5 or 6 movies
on DVD at a sitting. She is particularly fond of Lord Of The Rings
and similar "spectaculars" so image quality is important. I expect she
will ultimately get a HD DVD or Blue-Ray player but for the time being
will be upconverting DVDs. TV will be cable (Boston is Comcast?).

Thanks,
Gary

We are getting an HDTV for our daughter for graduation. She had
been considering the Samsung LNT4065F but is now considering
the LNT4671F for its larger screen and 120Hz display. I am still

I should also have asked about 10 bit processing. Versus what?

Thanks again,
Gary

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:04:23 -0400, "Gary Brown"
wrote:

We are getting an HDTV for our daughter for graduation. She had
been considering the Samsung LNT4065F but is now considering
the LNT4671F for its larger screen and 120Hz display. I am still
watching on a 12" Muntz and have no real experience with the big
screen LCDs. Is 120Hz worthwhile (see below) and is the LNT4671F
a good choice? Budget is $3000 with the balance to go to a player or
sound system. Source will likely be Amazon. Is there a better one?

She and her roommate are movie buffs and will watch 5 or 6 movies
on DVD at a sitting. She is particularly fond of Lord Of The Rings
and similar "spectaculars" so image quality is important. I expect she
will ultimately get a HD DVD or Blue-Ray player but for the time being
will be upconverting DVDs. TV will be cable (Boston is Comcast?).


Does she have a large room?

If not, the size is wasted, and arguably even the pixels.

I'd suggest the smaller size, the sound system, and the HD player(s).

120hz is also marginal, I wonder how many people could tell the
difference on average material. I did a compare at the store, I can
just barely tell the difference and frankly I liked it, BUT I consider
all the current products merely interim. Again, if it will speed up
the acquisition of the HD player(s), that's a far better use of the
money if you want the best images.

OTOH, if they want to impress the guys, size counts and they might get
a DLP.

J.

"Gary Brown" wrote in message
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Hi,

We are getting an HDTV for our daughter for graduation. She had
been considering the Samsung LNT4065F but is now considering
the LNT4671F for its larger screen and 120Hz display. I am still
watching on a 12" Muntz and have no real experience with the big
screen LCDs. Is 120Hz worthwhile (see below) and is the LNT4671F
a good choice? Budget is $3000 with the balance to go to a player or
sound system. Source will likely be Amazon. Is there a better one?

She and her roommate are movie buffs and will watch 5 or 6 movies
on DVD at a sitting. She is particularly fond of Lord Of The Rings
and similar "spectaculars" so image quality is important. I expect she
will ultimately get a HD DVD or Blue-Ray player but for the time being
will be upconverting DVDs. TV will be cable (Boston is Comcast?).

Thanks,
Gary

I bought the Samsung LNT4065F about 2 months ago and I am extremely happy
with it. I watch a lot of sports and don't notice any motion blurring even
though it does not have 120Hz..

My eyes are about 8 feet from the screen, and I think 40" (maybe 42") is the
largest I would be comfortable with at that distance (especially in 16:9
mode). If they will be sitting 10-12 feet from the screen, then the 46"
would be OK.

I bought my LNT4065F on sale from Circuit City when they obviously were
getting rid of last year's model. I paid $1,711.00 including sales tax. The
4071F is about $2700 including tax, and I doubt it is worth the $1,000
difference (but I admit I have not seen it). I am not sure how she can
afford the LNT4671F given the budget of $3000 (which includes TV, DVD, and
sound system).

If she is going to spend $2700 for a 40" TV, she should also consider the
Sony XBR 4 or 5 (both have 120Hz). Or find the discontinued XBR3 on sale
(XBR2 is even cheaper if you don't mind silver instead of black).

Words of warning. The DVD's will look fine, but unless she is getting HD TV
(cable or satellite) then she will be unhappy with just about any flat panel
TV for standard definition TV channels. DIRECTV will have about 100 HD
channels by year end.

If you cannot find the LNT4065F, the LNT4066F is (or at least was) available
from retailers like Best Buy, and it is basically the same TV with different
shape to the bezel and stand.

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:04:23 -0400, "Gary Brown"
wrote:

Is 120Hz worthwhile[?...]

I had the opportunity to sample 2 TV's that are virtually identical,
except for the 120Hz feature. I returned a Sony KDL-46XBR2 and
replaced it with a KDL-46XBR4.

I can say with certainty that there is a noticeable and worthwhile
difference. It's most apparent on DVD's and prime time HD shows, which
are generally shot in 24fps film and transcribed to video.

If you're buying a new set, it might be worthwhile to invest a little
more and get the most cutting edge technology you can, particularly if
you plan to keep it a while.

A_C

120Hz is a great advancement. On the other hand Samsung is still a bit of
a hit-or-miss proposition.

"SmilyFace" wrote in message
et...
120Hz is a great advancement. On the other hand Samsung is still a bit
of a hit-or-miss proposition.

I have the LN-T4665 and was very happy with the picture. I had no issues
with any blurring or anything like that and would recommend it.

However, I'm currently dealing with Samsung as I have issues with it
(originally no picture and now after it was 'fixed' the picture is so dark
it's barely watchable) and their customer service absolutely sucks. I've
been dealing with them for about three weeks and I have initiated every
single communication up until now.

Absolutely terrible. I also have to wait until after the 2nd repair before
I qualify for a replacement model. This is after waiting two weeks for a
part they could not get.

Tim

"Agent_C" wrote in message
I had the opportunity to sample 2 TV's that are virtually identical,
except for the 120Hz feature. I returned a Sony KDL-46XBR2 and
replaced it with a KDL-46XBR4.

I can say with certainty that there is a noticeable and worthwhile
difference. It's most apparent on DVD's and prime time HD shows, which
are generally shot in 24fps film and transcribed to video.

If you're buying a new set, it might be worthwhile to invest a little
more and get the most cutting edge technology you can, particularly if
you plan to keep it a while.

A_C

There are other difference besides 120Hz on those 2 sets. I would like to
see a double blind test on the KDL-46XBR4 with the 120HZ turned on and off.
Sample size needs to be sufficient to be statistically significant.

On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:32:42 -0400, "Mark A"
wrote:

There are other difference besides 120Hz on those 2 sets. I would like to
see a double blind test on the KDL-46XBR4 with the 120HZ turned on and off.
Sample size needs to be sufficient to be statistically significant.

That would be a valid comparison, but not entirely necessary. All you
have to do is roll the same segment of video back and forth the with
the 120Hz feature on or off. I did that last night with Boston Legal
and the difference was readily apparent.

The settings with the most impact were CineMotion set to ‘Auto1’ and
Motionflow set to ‘High’. Pans were dramatically smoother and the
overall video took on a sort of surreal quality. I found it pleasing
to the eye, but can’t say it looked entirely natural. CineMotion set
to ‘Auto2’ with Motionflow set to ‘Standard’ produced the sharpest,
most natural looking picture to my eye.

A_C

"Agent_C" wrote in message
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:32:42 -0400, "Mark A"
wrote:

There are other difference besides 120Hz on those 2 sets. I would like to
see a double blind test on the KDL-46XBR4 with the 120HZ turned on and
off.
Sample size needs to be sufficient to be statistically significant.

That would be a valid comparison, but not entirely necessary. All you
have to do is roll the same segment of video back and forth the with
the 120Hz feature on or off. I did that last night with Boston Legal
and the difference was readily apparent.

That is what I suggested. What do you think I suggested? The only difference
is that the person judging the picture should not know what the setting is
when they do the evaluation.

The settings with the most impact were CineMotion set to 'Auto1' and
Motionflow set to 'High'. Pans were dramatically smoother and the
overall video took on a sort of surreal quality. I found it pleasing
to the eye, but can't say it looked entirely natural. CineMotion set
to 'Auto2' with Motionflow set to 'Standard' produced the sharpest,
most natural looking picture to my eye.

A_C

The Sony XBR 4/5 is a nice set, and even the 3/4 was considered the best on
the market without the 120 Hz feature. But at current prices, they cost
about $1000 - $1200 more than the equivalent Samsung 4065 or 4665 (at close
out prices). The point is that the Samsung 4065 or 4665 are very nice sets,
and I have never heard any complain about the motion (or any thing else
regarding picture quality for that matter). In one or two years, Sony will
come out with something even better than the XBR 4/5.