Blu-ray discs sales figures are higher then HD DVD discs this year

For those who have not yet read the news today, , Paramount and Dreamworks
have switched from Blu-Ray to HD-DVD.

Target and Blockbuster recently announced their decision to sell Blu-Ray
only. Now, a bad decision.




"HD Freak" wrote in message
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Blu-ray discs sales figures are higher then HD DVD discs this year

New research data released last Tuesday by Home Media Research provides a
1st look at actual disc sales numbers for the 1st half of this year, which
shows good news for Blu-ray.

"WGD" wrote in
news:[email protected]:

For those who have not yet read the news today, , Paramount and
Dreamworks have switched from Blu-Ray to HD-DVD.

Target and Blockbuster recently announced their decision to sell
Blu-Ray only. Now, a bad decision.




Yes I cancelled Blockbuster because of that

Target has now said that they will be selling Blu-Ray players and both
Blu-Ray & HD-DVD disks


"WGD" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
For those who have not yet read the news today, , Paramount and Dreamworks
have switched from Blu-Ray to HD-DVD.

Target and Blockbuster recently announced their decision to sell Blu-Ray
only. Now, a bad decision.




"HD Freak" wrote in message
...
Blu-ray discs sales figures are higher then HD DVD discs this year

New research data released last Tuesday by Home Media Research provides a
1st look at actual disc sales numbers for the 1st half of this year,
which shows good news for Blu-ray.

In alt.home-theater.misc John Carrier wrote:
[...]
Most home theaters aren't calibrated and most consumers aren't videophiles.
I suspect that either HD or B/R will be superior to anything off air. The
market itself will determine the best value, neither politics nor marketing.

Hmmmmm. What makes you think that the "market itself" isn't
determined by "politics or marketing."

Some of my friends believe that as the porn industry goes, so goes the
market, and they've gone HD-DVD. But so far it's not clear that's how
the industry is going.

I believe that the battle will be won on something that absurd, but ...

THP

In alt.tv.tech.hdtv Tom Payne wrote:
| In alt.home-theater.misc John Carrier wrote:
| [...]
| Most home theaters aren't calibrated and most consumers aren't videophiles.
| I suspect that either HD or B/R will be superior to anything off air. The
| market itself will determine the best value, neither politics nor marketing.
|
| Hmmmmm. What makes you think that the "market itself" isn't
| determined by "politics or marketing."

Too often "the free market" is in fact manipulated by such politics or
marketing efforts by corporations. Marketing is certainly an unavoidable
element of it. But marketing should be limited to the competing side
stating their cases (in a glitzy way, I guess). Things like corporate
backroom deals to promote exclusivity and lock-in should be totally
prohibited. An aanlogy case exists with certain cellphone makers that
make their cellphones to only work on certain providers (but do not mix
this up with cellphones that are paid for through a service plan, though
that should only be an option, not the only way to get one).


| Some of my friends believe that as the porn industry goes, so goes the
| market, and they've gone HD-DVD. But so far it's not clear that's how
| the industry is going.
|
| I believe that the battle will be won on something that absurd, but ...

Maybe it will. OTOH, if Microsoft or Toshiba paid off the porn industry
people to make that decision, then that would be wrong.

Decisions by corporations to go with one, or the other (or both, or neither),
should be made indepently, and most certainly not through payoffs.

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On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:42:32 -0400, Rich Z wrote:

Tom Payne wrote:
In alt.home-theater.misc John Carrier wrote:
[...]
Most home theaters aren't calibrated and most consumers aren't videophiles.
I suspect that either HD or B/R will be superior to anything off air. The
market itself will determine the best value, neither politics nor marketing.

Hmmmmm. What makes you think that the "market itself" isn't
determined by "politics or marketing."

Some of my friends believe that as the porn industry goes, so goes the
market, and they've gone HD-DVD. But so far it's not clear that's how
the industry is going.

I believe that the battle will be won on something that absurd, but ...

THP
I was talking with my local home theater dealer over the weekend. His
opinion is that the format war will not end, that there will be
co-existence. His rationale is this, by the end of the year he expects
we will see the start of an influx of Chinese made, true dual format
players priced comparably with BluRay players ($500 range). The cost
adder for the HD-DVD drive is small, and if you had a choice of a BluRay
player or a combo player for essentially the same money, the consumer
will go combo so as not to get stung.

Wishful thinking on the part of the dealer. There are, in addition to
the cost of the components, the cost of licensing the technology. And
if one Chinese manufacturer can make the dual player for $500, the
another can make the same player that plays only Blu-ray for less.

--
Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

"Rich Z" wrote in message
...

The cost adder for the HD-DVD drive is small, and if you had a choice of a
BluRay player or a combo player for essentially the same money, the
consumer
will go combo so as not to get stung.

I did a similar thing with my DVD/SACD/DVD-Audio player; went for the
Panasonic that plays both SACD and DVD-A. Now I don't care which of the two
audio formats wins.

--
Jay

Jason Burgon - author of Graphic Vision
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/gvision

Stand alone HD DVD players are outselling stand alone Blu-ray
players. Blu-ray is only selling as a game machine. Those who buy HD
DVD players buy more HD discs than stand alone Blu-ray owners buy Blu-
ray discs.

HD DVD player price will drop to $199.99 next month. The $250. HD DVD
machine Toshiba will soon sell comes with a bunch of free HD DVD
movies. HD DVD should win the race if history repeats itself. HD DVD
is more reliable and the discs will last longer, with fewer defects.

Sony was arrogant, as usual, in sticking with Blu-ray, as it is
needlessly expensive and complex, and produces less performance at a
higher cost with lower reliability. The top management at Sony is
nuts and should be fired.

IB

" wrote:

Stand alone HD DVD players are outselling stand alone Blu-ray
players. Blu-ray is only selling as a game machine. Those who buy HD
DVD players buy more HD discs than stand alone Blu-ray owners buy Blu-
ray discs.

HD DVD player price will drop to $199.99 next month. The $250. HD DVD
machine Toshiba will soon sell comes with a bunch of free HD DVD
movies. HD DVD should win the race if history repeats itself. HD DVD
is more reliable and the discs will last longer, with fewer defects.

Sony was arrogant, as usual, in sticking with Blu-ray, as it is
needlessly expensive and complex, and produces less performance at a
higher cost with lower reliability. The top management at Sony is
nuts and should be fired.

IB


I think Sony is getting desperate.

"Sony invites Toshiba and Microsoft to join Blu-ray camp"

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/ne...ay-group.phtml

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Stand alone HD DVD players are outselling stand alone Blu-ray
players. Blu-ray is only selling as a game machine. Those who buy HD
DVD players buy more HD discs than stand alone Blu-ray owners buy Blu-
ray discs.

HD DVD player price will drop to $199.99 next month. The $250. HD DVD
machine Toshiba will soon sell comes with a bunch of free HD DVD
movies. HD DVD should win the race if history repeats itself. HD DVD
is more reliable and the discs will last longer, with fewer defects.

That's the 800 pound gorilla in the argument, player cost.

Sony was arrogant, as usual, in sticking with Blu-ray, as it is
needlessly expensive and complex, and produces less performance at a
higher cost with lower reliability. The top management at Sony is
nuts and should be fired.

While its doubtlessly more expensive ($500 versus $300 at my last check), is
it more complex? Does it have less performance (it's got greater capacity)?
Is there data showing its less reliable?

Sony only made two mistakes with Beta back when. Too expensive and not
enough playing time. It was superior in every way to VHS, but lost on what
mattered most to the consumer. Likely that will happen again, but I doubt
it'll have anything to do with complexity, performance or reliability.

R / John