What does this book say?

On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:40:58 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote in
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:24:21 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:

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I wanna use the tivo the same way I use my vcr - to program it
myself to watch the shows that *I* choose, and nothing else. These
crooks are really something, charging us fees to do things that are
free with a different machine. Gimmee a break! :O

...... then just use a different machine.

Which one?

Any one that does the things you want for free. You're the one that
said different machines did what you wanted for free.

Did you even read the post? I was talking about vcr's.

So? A vcr is a machine that does what you want and its free, so use
it.

If you want a DVR that does everything you want and is free then good
luck.

--
Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

John Schutkeker wrote:

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote in
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:10:36 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:

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Actually, I hadn't seen that, but it's *not* a link to the actual
book. It's a link to the first page of the table of contents and the
first page of the index, neither of which is particularly useful.

Actually, you can just scroll on to the all of the TOC and the
preface, and probably farther. I stopped after the preface.


Using the tivo box without the subscription service is perfectly
legal. Where do these crooks get off charging a fee to record tv
programs? They got some nerve, and the sooner they go bankrupt the
better.


Well, if people figure out how to get the service without paying ofr
it, they probably will go bankrupt soon. How is it that YOU get to
decide what is legal?


I wanna use the tivo the same way I use my vcr - to program it myself
to watch the shows that *I* choose, and nothing else. These crooks
are really something, charging us fees to do things that are free with
a different machine. Gimmee a break! :O

...... then just use a different machine.


Which one?

There is at least one - a Panasonic that has a built-in hard drive and
a DVD recorder. It gets its program data directly from the video
signals. The price is somewhat greater than a Tivo with a lifetime
subscription (about $700 the last time I looked).

You CAN use a Series 1 Tivo without a subscription, but of course all
you have is a hard-disk VCR - no selecting programs by name for
instance, no instantly visible program guide, etc. And you'll still
have to dial up to Tivo regularly to set the clock.

A VCR does NOT give you free what you pay for with Tivo. What you're
paying for is automatic programming, finding programs that shift times
(or even channels), knowing if it missed a recording and finding a
rerun, and lots more, even on a Series 1. Series 2 and 3 have
infinitely more!

- Herb

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:24:21 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:

snip

I wanna use the tivo the same way I use my vcr - to program it
myself to watch the shows that *I* choose, and nothing else.
These crooks are really something, charging us fees to do things
that are free with a different machine. Gimmee a break! :O

...... then just use a different machine.

Which one?

Any one that does the things you want for free. You're the one that
said different machines did what you wanted for free.

Any of the S2's that have a lifetime basic thing would work for you (look
for things like the Toshiba/Humax/Etc on Ebay, just looked and 306 hits for
Series2 DVR)

Herb wrote in news:Rp5yi.54979$jE4.54052
@fe12.news.easynews.com:

A VCR does NOT give you free what you pay for with Tivo. What you're
paying for is automatic programming, finding programs that shift times
(or even channels), knowing if it missed a recording and finding a
rerun, and lots more

Not me. I want to pay for the hard drive and nothing more, because
that's where the benefits are. You get fast access, without tedious
spooling, the ability to record more than one program at a time, the
ability to watch and record at the same time, or to pause a real time
broadcast.

For this, I'm willing to miss an occasionally time shifted episode, and
to "suffer" the hassles of referring to shows by their time slot, rather
than their names. All that stuff you mentioned is much less significant
than then the benefits associated with the random access capabilities of
a hard drive.

That's where the rubber meets the road.

"Peter Pan" wrote in
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Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:24:21 GMT, John Schutkeker
wrote:

snip

I wanna use the tivo the same way I use my vcr - to program it
myself to watch the shows that *I* choose, and nothing else.
These crooks are really something, charging us fees to do things
that are free with a different machine. Gimmee a break! :O

...... then just use a different machine.

Which one?

Any one that does the things you want for free. You're the one that
said different machines did what you wanted for free.

Any of the S2's that have a lifetime basic thing would work for you
(look for things like the Toshiba/Humax/Etc on Ebay, just looked and
306 hits for Series2 DVR)

I don't want lifetime; I don't want any subscription.

On 2007-08-20, John Schutkeker wrote:
Herb wrote in news:Rp5yi.54979$jE4.54052
@fe12.news.easynews.com:

A VCR does NOT give you free what you pay for with Tivo. What you're
paying for is automatic programming, finding programs that shift times
(or even channels), knowing if it missed a recording and finding a
rerun, and lots more

Not me. I want to pay for the hard drive and nothing more, because
that's where the benefits are. You get fast access, without tedious
spooling, the ability to record more than one program at a time, the
ability to watch and record at the same time, or to pause a real time
broadcast.

You should look into MythTV then, or any of the other similar solutions.

--
This is my .sig

On 2007-08-20, John Schutkeker
wrote:
Herb wrote in news:Rp5yi.54979$jE4.54052
@fe12.news.easynews.com:

A VCR does NOT give you free what you pay for with Tivo. What you're
paying for is automatic programming, finding programs that shift
times (or even channels), knowing if it missed a recording and
finding a rerun, and lots more

Not me. I want to pay for the hard drive and nothing more, because
that's where the benefits are. You get fast access, without tedious
spooling, the ability to record more than one program at a time, the
ability to watch and record at the same time, or to pause a real time
broadcast.

So why don't you just get a plain ole DVR instead of looking only at units
with Tivo? They have many dvr's with no tivo, even at places like
walmart......

John Schutkeker wrote:

Not me. I want to pay for the hard drive and nothing more, because
that's where the benefits are. You get fast access, without tedious
spooling, the ability to record more than one program at a time, the
ability to watch and record at the same time, or to pause a real time
broadcast.

So build yourself a MythTV box or buy one of the many many DVR type
solutions designed to plug into a Windows PC.

A TiVo isn't the right answer for your needs. Of course you may
sacrifice some nice parts of the TiVo (box size, ambient noise, user
interface) and it might cost you more initially to build your DVR
equivalent, but *shrug* it'll be free to use and more expandable and
won't require you to sign up to a service that you don't want.

You might even be able to get a pre-built MythTV solution somewhere.

--
Stephen Harris

The truth is the truth, and opinion just opinion. But what is what?
My employer pays to ignore my opinions; you get to do it for free.

Stephen Harris wrote:

John Schutkeker wrote:

Not me. I want to pay for the hard drive and nothing more, because
that's where the benefits are. You get fast access, without tedious
spooling, the ability to record more than one program at a time, the
ability to watch and record at the same time, or to pause a real time
broadcast.

So build yourself a MythTV box or buy one of the many many DVR type
solutions designed to plug into a Windows PC.

A TiVo isn't the right answer for your needs. Of course you may
sacrifice some nice parts of the TiVo (box size, ambient noise, user
interface) and it might cost you more initially to build your DVR
equivalent, but *shrug* it'll be free to use and more expandable and
won't require you to sign up to a service that you don't want.

You might even be able to get a pre-built MythTV solution somewhere.


For instance : http://mythic.tv/ for the Dragon 2.0.

Bruce S.

--
Replace the by by blueyonder.

Peter Pan wrote:
On 2007-08-20, John Schutkeker
wrote:
Herb wrote in news:Rp5yi.54979$jE4.54052
@fe12.news.easynews.com:

A VCR does NOT give you free what you pay for with Tivo. What
you're paying for is automatic programming, finding programs that
shift times (or even channels), knowing if it missed a recording
and finding a rerun, and lots more

Not me. I want to pay for the hard drive and nothing more, because
that's where the benefits are. You get fast access, without tedious
spooling, the ability to record more than one program at a time, the
ability to watch and record at the same time, or to pause a real
time broadcast.

So why don't you just get a plain ole DVR instead of looking only at
units with Tivo? They have many dvr's with no tivo, even at places
like walmart......

PS Happened to be in walmart today, and they have a 160 GB panasonic DVR (no
Tivo) and reads and writes DVD's, for $258

DRA-01601A: DVD Recorder with 160GB Hard Drive
Records up to 204 hours of media on the 160GB built-in hard disc drive (No
subscription needed)
Includes YesDVD Software to create DVDs at the touch of a button
HDMI connections for easy cable hookups
Built-in ATSC digital and NTSC analog tuners