medical displays - so expensive

In alt.tv.tech.hdtv Chris McGonnell wrote:
| On 2 Aug 2007 13:36:20 GMT, phil wrote:
|
|In alt.tv.tech.hdtv Matthew L. Martin wrote:
|| FDR wrote:
|| wrote in message
|| ...
|| I came across some medical LCD displays which looking around for monochrome
|| LCDs (yes, that can be done). These things are _so_ expensive compared to
|| TV LCDs and computer monitors. Prices are from $1000, mostly well above
|| $3000, to as high as $30,000. What is it they need in these that can't be
|| done in a typical computer monitor now (besides monochrome)?
||
|| This is one of the reasons medical care costs are so high. Other stuff
|| they buy in hospitals and doctors offices are also way way overpriced.
||
|| Just where did you find them? links?
||
||
|| Poor old phil never posts links. He demands them from others, but he is
|| too stupid, lazy and self important to post them himself.
|
|Matthew L. Martin continues to show himself as the idiot asshole he is,
|since he could have read my other post to see where I provided where to
|find these pages from the domain, which was found by others.
|
| No, Phil, Mr Martin has played you like a violin, which was seen by
| others.

What makes you think that? Because of the fact that I post back each time
he makes a personal attack? Do you realize that all he needs to do is just
stop making personal attacks, and there won't be any, anymore? Maybe he
could actually point out specific things he thinks are wrong with the time
he gains back.

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wrote:
In alt.tv.tech.hdtv Chris McGonnell wrote:
| On 2 Aug 2007 13:36:20 GMT, phil wrote:
|
|In alt.tv.tech.hdtv Matthew L. Martin wrote:
|| FDR wrote:
|| wrote in message
|| ...
|| I came across some medical LCD displays which looking around for monochrome
|| LCDs (yes, that can be done). These things are _so_ expensive compared to
|| TV LCDs and computer monitors. Prices are from $1000, mostly well above
|| $3000, to as high as $30,000. What is it they need in these that can't be
|| done in a typical computer monitor now (besides monochrome)?
||
|| This is one of the reasons medical care costs are so high. Other stuff
|| they buy in hospitals and doctors offices are also way way overpriced.
||
|| Just where did you find them? links?
||
||
|| Poor old phil never posts links. He demands them from others, but he is
|| too stupid, lazy and self important to post them himself.
|
|Matthew L. Martin continues to show himself as the idiot asshole he is,
|since he could have read my other post to see where I provided where to
|find these pages from the domain, which was found by others.
|
| No, Phil, Mr Martin has played you like a violin, which was seen by
| others.

What makes you think that? Because of the fact that I post back each time
he makes a personal attack? Do you realize that all he needs to do is just
stop making personal attacks, and there won't be any, anymore? Maybe he
could actually point out specific things he thinks are wrong with the time
he gains back.


Have you realized that all you have to do is stop being a self centered,
hypocritical, ignorant blow hard? No? Then you get to be ridiculed for
being one as long as you care to continue with your course of behavior.

What at Putz.

Matthew

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On 3 Aug 2007 01:34:11 GMT, wrote:

In alt.tv.tech.hdtv Chris McGonnell wrote:
| On 2 Aug 2007 13:36:20 GMT, phil wrote:
|
|In alt.tv.tech.hdtv Matthew L. Martin wrote:
|| FDR wrote:
|| wrote in message
|| ...
|| I came across some medical LCD displays which looking around for monochrome
|| LCDs (yes, that can be done). These things are _so_ expensive compared to
|| TV LCDs and computer monitors. Prices are from $1000, mostly well above
|| $3000, to as high as $30,000. What is it they need in these that can't be
|| done in a typical computer monitor now (besides monochrome)?
||
|| This is one of the reasons medical care costs are so high. Other stuff
|| they buy in hospitals and doctors offices are also way way overpriced.
||
|| Just where did you find them? links?
||
||
|| Poor old phil never posts links. He demands them from others, but he is
|| too stupid, lazy and self important to post them himself.
|
|Matthew L. Martin continues to show himself as the idiot asshole he is,
|since he could have read my other post to see where I provided where to
|find these pages from the domain, which was found by others.
|
| No, Phil, Mr Martin has played you like a violin, which was seen by
| others.

What makes you think that? Because of the fact that I post back each time
he makes a personal attack? Do you realize that all he needs to do is just
stop making personal attacks, and there won't be any, anymore?

Aren't you a little old for the "Mom, he started it" excuse?

BW

Larry Bud wrote:
On Aug 1, 8:56 am, Doug wrote:
On Aug 1, 8:24 am, Larry Bud wrote:





On Jul 29, 10:26 am, wrote:
I came across some medical LCD displays which looking around for monochrome
LCDs (yes, that can be done). These things are _so_ expensive compared to
TV LCDs and computer monitors. Prices are from $1000, mostly well above
$3000, to as high as $30,000. What is it they need in these that can't be
done in a typical computer monitor now (besides monochrome)?
This is one of the reasons medical care costs are so high. Other stuff
they buy in hospitals and doctors offices are also way way overpriced.
Most medical equipment must have a certain level of certification,
which is why the prices are so high.
You can't just call up Dell and order yourself an LCD display for your
ultrasound or MRI machine.
I don't know where you people go to the hospital, but I see Dell's and
Acer's all the time (all LCD's now) at the hospital; hooked to
monitoring equipment, in-room computers, advertisement displays,
whatever. The only time it is a specific monitor proprietary monitor
is if it is on a mobile machine or if the monitor serves an alternate
function (i.e. not text and graphics on the screen) like a heart rate
monitor.
Maybe I need to look at going farther away for hospital care, but I
have seen this at three different hospitals in the area.

I used to sell hydraulic and pneumatic valves. I had one company that
was trying to repair a medical related machine call me up asking about
a specific valve number, and I quoted him $8 (it was a simple relief
valve).

The guy was amazed, asking if I was sure that was the price. Yes,
that was the price, why, I asked? Going through the "proper"
channels, the valve would cost him $90. There was extra testing
required for the valve, and yet they were EXACTLY the same.

Same goes with military equipment. We had several valves that had a
MIL spec, were very expensive, yet the "civilian" model was 1/4 the
price.



A 10 year warranted water heater will cost you $150. A 12 year warranted
water heater will cost you $180. What is the difference between the two?
$30. You pay for the extra warranty.

In medical, nautical, mil spec and aeronautical, you pay for the testing
and conformance to particular specifications. Normal, run of the mill
items may have some of the same specifications, but not the testing.

Matthew

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wrote in

|| I came across some medical LCD displays which looking around for monochrome
|| LCDs (yes, that can be done). These things are _so_ expensive compared to
|| TV LCDs and computer monitors. Prices are from $1000, mostly well above
|| $3000, to as high as $30,000. What is it they need in these that can't be
|| done in a typical computer monitor now (besides monochrome)?
||
|| This is one of the reasons medical care costs are so high. Other stuff
|| they buy in hospitals and doctors offices are also way way overpriced.
||
|| Just where did you find them? links?
||
||
|| Poor old phil never posts links. He demands them from others, but he is
|| too stupid, lazy and self important to post them himself.
|
|Matthew L. Martin continues to show himself as the idiot asshole he is,
|since he could have read my other post to see where I provided where to
|find these pages from the domain, which was found by others.
|
| No, Phil, Mr Martin has played you like a violin, which was seen by
| others.

What makes you think that? Because of the fact that I post back each time
he makes a personal attack? Do you realize that all he needs to do is just
stop making personal attacks, and there won't be any, anymore?

Aren't you a little old for the "Mom, he started it" excuse?

On the usenet, nobody knows you're a dog.

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In article ,
wrote:

Aren't you a little old for the "Mom, he started it" excuse?

Is there any evidence of that?

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On 3 Aug 2007 01:34:11 GMT, phil wrote:

In alt.tv.tech.hdtv Chris McGonnell wrote:
| On 2 Aug 2007 13:36:20 GMT, phil wrote:
|
|In alt.tv.tech.hdtv Matthew L. Martin wrote:
|| FDR wrote:
|| wrote in message
|| ...
|| I came across some medical LCD displays which looking around for monochrome
|| LCDs (yes, that can be done). These things are _so_ expensive compared to
|| TV LCDs and computer monitors. Prices are from $1000, mostly well above
|| $3000, to as high as $30,000. What is it they need in these that can't be
|| done in a typical computer monitor now (besides monochrome)?
||
|| This is one of the reasons medical care costs are so high. Other stuff
|| they buy in hospitals and doctors offices are also way way overpriced.
||
|| Just where did you find them? links?
||
||
|| Poor old phil never posts links. He demands them from others, but he is
|| too stupid, lazy and self important to post them himself.
|
|Matthew L. Martin continues to show himself as the idiot asshole he is,
|since he could have read my other post to see where I provided where to
|find these pages from the domain, which was found by others.
|
| No, Phil, Mr Martin has played you like a violin, which was seen by
| others.

What makes you think that? Because of the fact that I post back each time
he makes a personal attack? Do you realize that all he needs to do is just
stop making personal attacks, and there won't be any, anymore? Maybe he
could actually point out specific things he thinks are wrong with the time
he gains back.

Blucher!

--
Chris McG.
Harming humanity since 1951.
"Well now you're just getting SILLY." -- Darla

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Chris McGonnell wrote:
On 3 Aug 2007 01:34:11 GMT, phil wrote:

In alt.tv.tech.hdtv Chris McGonnell wrote:
| On 2 Aug 2007 13:36:20 GMT, phil wrote:
|
|In alt.tv.tech.hdtv Matthew L. Martin wrote:
|| FDR wrote:
|| wrote in message
|| ...
|| I came across some medical LCD displays which looking around for monochrome
|| LCDs (yes, that can be done). These things are _so_ expensive compared to
|| TV LCDs and computer monitors. Prices are from $1000, mostly well above
|| $3000, to as high as $30,000. What is it they need in these that can't be
|| done in a typical computer monitor now (besides monochrome)?
||
|| This is one of the reasons medical care costs are so high. Other stuff
|| they buy in hospitals and doctors offices are also way way overpriced.
||
|| Just where did you find them? links?
||
||
|| Poor old phil never posts links. He demands them from others, but he is
|| too stupid, lazy and self important to post them himself.
|
|Matthew L. Martin continues to show himself as the idiot asshole he is,
|since he could have read my other post to see where I provided where to
|find these pages from the domain, which was found by others.
|
| No, Phil, Mr Martin has played you like a violin, which was seen by
| others.

What makes you think that? Because of the fact that I post back each time
he makes a personal attack? Do you realize that all he needs to do is just
stop making personal attacks, and there won't be any, anymore? Maybe he
could actually point out specific things he thinks are wrong with the time
he gains back.

Blucher!

NEIGH!!!11!!

There aren't enough hours in a day for one person to correct poor old
phil. There are plenty of people on a.t.t.h who correct him when they
have time, but there aren't enough to keep up with him. He is, after
all, an ignorant, self centered, hypocritical blow hard.

Matthew

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On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 07:36:43 -0400, "Matthew L. Martin"
wrote:



In medical, nautical, mil spec and aeronautical, you pay for the testing
and conformance to particular specifications. Normal, run of the mill
items may have some of the same specifications, but not the testing.

Replacement parts from suppliers of MRIs, CTs, etc are also higher in
cost because of the small number of parts that are shipped out versus
the need to have larger numbers on hand for emergency repairs. The
cost of keeping a large amount of parts available is not small. The
infrastructure needed to deliver the parts on an emergency basis is
costly. Some of these parts are very expensive and are proprietary
for a specific system.

Usually the costs for replacement parts are absorbed by the service
contract or the warranty from the manufacturer. Occasionally someone
without a contract after the warranty has to acquire a part that might
be available in the regular marketplace. If they purchase something
from a source from other than the manufacturer, that will let that
manufacturer be free from any liability, should something happen and
the user get sued. Some users like the idea of having another set of
deep pockets available in this case.

Also, you have to consider the impact on contract customers, if
non-contract customers deplete your supply of available emergency
parts.