ARG!! Need DVD player that both STOPS and goes to MENU "whenever I want"

"mykey" wrote in message
oups.com...
the majority of these problems you mention are
being loaded by the DVD itself, not in the player
to start with. Certain DVD disk manufacturers will
allow skipping the previews, etc...
some others will force you to watch the previews,
etc...before being allowed to see the movie.
DVD drives for PC allow a little more flexibility
since you have a choice of software and some allow
opening the menu at any time, even when the DVD is playing.
But the answer to the question "is there a player?" that bypasses
all this rubbish is "no".
the player obeys the instructions loaded by the disk when
the disk is booted. to eliminate that you gotta change the
instructions on the disk, movie vendors are not going to
do that since they want to force you to watch previews, etc...
but i can't blame you for being ****ed at these features
i have often wished for the same thing you are talking about.

In my original post I conjectured as much, but as a software engineer I
still see no reason that the hardware couldn't always honor stop and menu,
aside from willful licensing constraints, REGARDLESS of what instructions it
is "executing" off the dvd.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:16:22 GMT, "Thomas G. Marshall"
. com wrote:

Yep, I pointed out that this is what I do. HOWEVER, there is a goofy thing
where on both DVD players, when I insert the disk it starts it's auto-play
or whatever, and even after its loaded up there is no obeying of the "stop"
or "menu" keys. At least sporatically.....I haven't yet fault-isolated this
properly to determine just what causes what, other than to say that all of
this causes me grief


Studio by studio.

Warner titles autostart, for one.

That monster sig block attention problem you have is more than a little
annoying.

Do you always deliberately ignore convention?

I mean really. Normally that's what you accuse me of.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:13:55 GMT, "Thomas G. Marshall"
. com wrote:


"Spurious Response" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:10:28 -0500, "John Carrier"
wrote:

...[rip]...

Yep, its the DVD itself that prevents you from the full viewing of the FBI
warning and similar garbage before it will allow navigation to the menu.
I
doubt most players have the ability to override this function.

R / John


Such a unit cannot even be legally marketed with the DVD logo on it.

I am quite sure that someone would be able to hack the firmware to
ignore the flags included on each title, however.

...[rip]...

I'm wondering if we wouldn't someday see a 2nd tier manufacturer (say deep
within korea) market a non-dvd dvd compatible player with such abilities...

Money is money, right?

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:54:40 -0700, mykey wrote:

the majority of these problems you mention are
being loaded by the DVD itself, not in the player
to start with. Certain DVD disk manufacturers will
allow skipping the previews, etc...
some others will force you to watch the previews,
etc...before being allowed to see the movie.


It is the DVD player, however, that follows those instructions to
"play" those tracks. ALWAYS. So it is the DVD player that one would
modify to gain control over such "programming".

Plain and simple.

Flag for FBI warning.

Flag for Macrovision enabling, which is ALSO a DVD player inserted
"video adjustment".

Said "flags" are "programming" cues, which are the very first thing the
PLAYER loads when it spools up the DVD.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:54:40 -0700, mykey wrote:

the player obeys the instructions loaded by the disk when
the disk is booted.


Operating Systems are "booted". A DVD has code which is LOADED.
Boot is the wrong term. The player's OS "boots" when the player is
turned on.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:54:40 -0700, mykey wrote:

to eliminate that you gotta change the
instructions on the disk, movie vendors are not going to
do that since they want to force you to watch previews, etc...


No. To eliminate that, one must change the firmware in the player such
that skipping certain cues loaded at disc insertion can be performed.

It IS possible.

"Spurious Response" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:54:40 -0700, mykey wrote:

to eliminate that you gotta change the
instructions on the disk, movie vendors are not going to
do that since they want to force you to watch previews, etc...


No. To eliminate that, one must change the firmware in the player such
that skipping certain cues loaded at disc insertion can be performed.

It IS possible.

Yes, it is. However, to use the DVD logotypes on their products a
manufacturer must certify compliance with the spec, which prohibits such
workarounds. That's why you rarely find them in players from major
international brand names, but instead only in China-manufactured off-brand
players, or in aftermarket hacks.

r

On Jul 25, 4:05 pm, "Thomas G. Marshall"
. com wrote:

But I'm also sick to death of dvd players telling me that I cannot go to the
main menu whenever I want.

It's not the player, it's the disc over-riding the players capability.

The only way around it that I know is to rip the DVD and re-burn it
without the offending menus.

- Jordan

"Spurious Response" wrote in message
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Yes, it is. However, to use the DVD logotypes on their products a
manufacturer must certify compliance with the spec, which prohibits such
workarounds.

I ALREADY stated that. Learn to read a thread, BEFORE you spew
"information" that has already been mentioned.

That's why you rarely find them in players from major
international brand names, but instead only in China-manufactured
off-brand
players, or in aftermarket hacks.

No ****?

I bow before your superior assholiness.

r

"Thomas G. Marshall" . com
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I need an inexpensive dvd player.

But I'm also sick to death of dvd players telling me that I cannot go to
the main menu whenever I want.

*Are there any dvd players which have this capability* ?

A couple of days ago, my wife and I sat down to watch a Netflix DVD. We
were using a $40 Toshiba DVD player I'd never used before with a commercial
DVD. As the disc began it showed an FBI warning followed by "This preview
has been rated PG" (or words to that effect. I said to my wife,

"Move through this stuff. Let's get on with the movie"

"I can't, she replied. You have to watch it because none of the remote
buttons work."

And indeed, when I tried the remote I couldn't get it to even STOP!! The
player told me "Not allowed at this time." This was crazy. Surely you can
stop the movie if you so desire?!?

So I asked myself how on earth one could resume playing the movie if it was
temporarily swapped with another one. Finally, I started experimenting. lt
seemed that there was a button marked SEARCH. If I pushed this button, I
could then push the number 1, and the player would go to the beginning of
Title 1--the movie--immediately. It seems that my wife has been
unwillingly watching previews ever since I bought this player, without once
mentioning to me. She assumed that the previews were the price one had to
pay to watch the movie, just like in the multiplex.

If any of you have the same problem, you can solve it by using the search
function and going straight to Title 1.

I intend to examine the situation more closely, to see if I can come up with
something even better. If I find something, I'll let you all know.

Norm