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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:26:51 -0400, I waved a wand and this message
magically appears in front of Talk-n-Dog:

The first motorway was the Preston by-pass, opened in the mid '50s.

I was under the impression that Hitler had built the Autobon during
WWII for troop and government to move more quickly.

Actually the first motorway built was in Italy, in 1921.
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:16:17 GMT, "altheim"
wrote:

There are a few reasons for that as well. The main one being a lack
of good & affordable public transport.

Yes, except for goods transport, that would help but...

disregarding cost, as it would surely be cheaper than
the running cost of a car, the keyword is "good"...
define "good".

It would have to take me where I want, when I want, in
comfort and privacy as my car does, noise and children
free, clean seats not soiled by puke and sticky toffee,
no smelly obnoxious people to sit next to you, good
ventilation, a ban on ppl with coughs, colds and
diseases, no prams or pushchairs to obstruct exit or
movement, it would have to take me from door to door
so I don't get wet in the rain...

It's not going to be that good is it... I think you might have
trouble selling that idea.

It would not need to be to that standard to persuade me to leave my
car at home. Just needs to take me to and from where I want to go
with reasonable frequency of service, and at a cost comparable to that
of my car.

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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:27:58 GMT, "altheim"
wrote:

I'm sure that is true but when I talk about what the indigenous pop.
would like I'm talking about those services and amenities I
mentioned initially and not necessarily the way of life they grew
up with. For them to recover requires either an increase in the
size of Britain or a reduction in population.

Take a flight over the UK in a light aircraft. It is nowhere near
crowded.

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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:11:17 -0400, Talk-n-Dog
wrote:

My theory on that one is that the climate and natural food supply in
Africa is such that there was no need for people to innovate and
invent in order to provide a comfortable living environment.

and the the Europeans came along and provided the 'benefits' of modern
medicine.

They cured them right to death huh...

Yes. Which without compensating for the *negative* effects of doing
so, was not quite as good a thing as you are implying.

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"Talk-n-Dog" wrote:
Alan White wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:44:59 GMT, "altheim" wrote:

The first motorway (the M1)...

The first motorway was the Preston by-pass, opened in the mid '50s.

I was under the impression that Hitler had built the Autobon during WWII
for troop and government to move more quickly.

The Autobahn yes of course but we're talking about UK
motorways'

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The problem with the global warming theory, is that a theory is like a
bowl of ice-cream, it only takes a little dab of bull**** to ruin the
whole thing.

"Cynic" wrote:
"altheim" wrote:

There are a few reasons for that as well. The main one being a lack
of good & affordable public transport.

Yes, except for goods transport, that would help but...

disregarding cost, as it would surely be cheaper than
the running cost of a car, the keyword is "good"...
define "good".

It would have to take me where I want, when I want, in
comfort and privacy as my car does, noise and children
free, clean seats not soiled by puke and sticky toffee,
no smelly obnoxious people to sit next to you, good
ventilation, a ban on ppl with coughs, colds and
diseases, no prams or pushchairs to obstruct exit or
movement, it would have to take me from door to door
so I don't get wet in the rain...

It's not going to be that good is it... I think you might have
trouble selling that idea.

It would not need to be to that standard to persuade me to leave my
car at home. Just needs to take me to and from where I want to go
with reasonable frequency of service, and at a cost comparable to that
of my car.

But from my wish-list you have only mentioned one desi
"to where you want to go" and already your public transport
fails. Suppose you want to visit Aunt Maud in Lytchett Minster
in the morning and be back home for Eastenders and while,
there she asks you to deliver a present for her brother in
Bury St Edmunds 'cos its his birthday. . . See my point?
The chances of being able to do that by public transport
is virtually nil.

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altheim

"Cynic" wrote:
"altheim" wrote:

I'm sure that is true but when I talk about what the indigenous pop.
would like I'm talking about those services and amenities I
mentioned initially and not necessarily the way of life they grew
up with. For them to recover requires either an increase in the
size of Britain or a reduction in population.

Take a flight over the UK in a light aircraft. It is nowhere near
crowded.

I take it you are happy with the state of Britain just the way
it is?

Are you really pleased to see our Greenbelt disappear
under concrete to give yet more immigrants somewhere
to live?

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altheim

In article , Talk-n-Dog wrote:
To help the Co2 that worries so many.... limit the population of cities*
to what the reasonable flow of traffic will handle(or just a MAX*
capacity for any city).

Yes, limiting the population is the ultimate answer to nearly all our
problems, though I can see a few possible practical and/or ethical
problems putting this into effect. How exactly would you "limit the
population of cities"? What would you do with all the excess people?

Rod.

In article ,
altheim wrote:


But from my wish-list you have only mentioned one desi
"to where you want to go" and already your public transport
fails. Suppose you want to visit Aunt Maud in Lytchett Minster
in the morning and be back home for Eastenders and while,
there she asks you to deliver a present for her brother in
Bury St Edmunds 'cos its his birthday. . . See my point?
The chances of being able to do that by public transport
is virtually nil.

but .. your Aunt, if she knew you were using public transport, could have
posted her brother's present. But she knew you were coming by car and
wouldn't mind a 'minor' detour.

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In article ,
Roderick Stewart wrote:
In article , Talk-n-Dog wrote:
To help the Co2 that worries so many.... limit the population of cities
to what the reasonable flow of traffic will handle(or just a MAX
capacity for any city).

Yes, limiting the population is the ultimate answer to nearly all our
problems, though I can see a few possible practical and/or ethical
problems putting this into effect. How exactly would you "limit the
population of cities"? What would you do with all the excess people?

quite simple. Put them in the new towns Brown is planning so they'll have
to commute 100+ miles to their place of work. They'll be so unhappy that
they'll emmigrate. ;-)

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