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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:42:50 GMT, "altheim"
wrote:


"Cynic" wrote:
"altheim" wrote:

Food is not a problem - yet, but the economic infrastructure
is now so fragile that future problems that might result
from climate change are potentially disastrous and IMO
will get worse.

So you think the population density in the UK is close to breaking
point huh?

Have you ever been to Japan?

I haven't been to Japan but so what? If you are trying
to say that overcrowding is ok for them so it must be
ok for us then you are seriously deranged

I am saying that it proves that we are nowhere near breaking point.

As for the other - what you like is mainly to do with how you were
raised. When change occurs over several generations, people get used
to new environments and get to prefer them over environments that are
different to the one they were raised in.

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Cynic

"Bill Wright" wrote:
"altheim" wrote:
Was that meant to be facetious? They're congested because
there are too many vehicles on the roads.

No, the roads are congested because the highway infrastructure is twenty
years out of date. They should get some decent roads build and let us get
on with wealth creation instead of sitting in traffic jams.

Oh hey! I couldn't agree more. I'm a motorist too and I just hate
sitting in traffic jams.

But the roads we have are what we have. They were never
planned based on a population projection, they simply grew
based on immediate need. The first motorway (the M1) was
so underused when it was first built that folks were worried
it was going to prove to be a white elephant, but look at it
now. They could put in two extra lanes and it would barely
be enough to cope. And what about the M23 - its a joke
with traffic at a standstill more than it moves.

But widening them, or building more roads is not on. They
would fill up quicker than they could be built. Whose land
would you have to take to build them anyway - farmland
or more Greenbelt?

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altheim

altheim wrote:
"Bill Wright" wrote:
"altheim" wrote:
Was that meant to be facetious? They're congested because
there are too many vehicles on the roads.
No, the roads are congested because the highway infrastructure is twenty
years out of date. They should get some decent roads build and let us get
on with wealth creation instead of sitting in traffic jams.

Oh hey! I couldn't agree more. I'm a motorist too and I just hate
sitting in traffic jams.



To help the Co2 that worries so many.... limit the population of cities
to what the reasonable flow of traffic will handle(or just a MAX
capacity for any city). If a business wants to be there, they'll
increase traffic into town, lets tax them with the "impact-fees/Co2-tax"
to add road capacity or reject them to keep the trafic flowing instead
of sitting in traffic wasting gas and increasing dreaded Co2.


LETS JUST STOP THIS WAGON BEFORE IT GOES OVER THE CLIFF

Once you say TAX and business in the same sentence. money will dry up
for the Global warming nuts.

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The problem with the global warming theory, is that a theory is like a
bowl of ice-cream, it only takes a little dab of bull**** to ruin the
whole thing.

charles wrote:
In article ,
Cynic wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:42:07 +0100, "Bill Wright"
wrote:

I've often wondered what went wrong with Africa, on the longest time
scale. After all, Africa was the cradle of humanity. You'd think that
head start would have led to many early African civilisations of great
sophistication. But it didn't. Think of the Ancient Egyptians, the
Aztecs, the Mesopotanians, the Romans, the Ancient Chinese. But Africa?
Nothing! How odd. Obviously I mean proper Africa, not the top bit where
Egypt is. Strange that all they did was run around in the jungle for
fifty thousand years until the Europeans came to rape, loop, and
pillage, and take slaves.

My theory on that one is that the climate and natural food supply in
Africa is such that there was no need for people to innovate and
invent in order to provide a comfortable living environment.

and the the Europeans came along and provided the 'benefits' of modern
medicine.

They cured them right to death huh...

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The problem with the global warming theory, is that a theory is like a
bowl of ice-cream, it only takes a little dab of bull**** to ruin the
whole thing.

"Cynic" wrote:
"altheim" wrote:

Was that meant to be facetious? They're congested because
there are too many vehicles on the roads.

There are a few reasons for that as well. The main one being a lack
of good & affordable public transport.

Yes, except for goods transport, that would help but...

disregarding cost, as it would surely be cheaper than
the running cost of a car, the keyword is "good"...
define "good".

It would have to take me where I want, when I want, in
comfort and privacy as my car does, noise and children
free, clean seats not soiled by puke and sticky toffee,
no smelly obnoxious people to sit next to you, good
ventilation, a ban on ppl with coughs, colds and
diseases, no prams or pushchairs to obstruct exit or
movement, it would have to take me from door to door
so I don't get wet in the rain...

It's not going to be that good is it... I think you might have
trouble selling that idea.

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altheim

"Cynic" wrote:
"altheim" wrote:

"Cynic" wrote:
"altheim" wrote:

Food is not a problem - yet, but the economic infrastructure
is now so fragile that future problems that might result
from climate change are potentially disastrous and IMO
will get worse.

So you think the population density in the UK is close to breaking
point huh?

Have you ever been to Japan?

I haven't been to Japan but so what? If you are trying
to say that overcrowding is ok for them so it must be
ok for us then you are seriously deranged

I am saying that it proves that we are nowhere near breaking point.

As for the other - what you like is mainly to do with how you were
raised. When change occurs over several generations, people get used
to new environments and get to prefer them over environments that are
different to the one they were raised in.

I'm sure that is true but when I talk about what the indigenous pop.
would like I'm talking about those services and amenities I
mentioned initially and not necessarily the way of life they grew
up with. For them to recover requires either an increase in the
size of Britain or a reduction in population.

IMO

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altheim

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:44:59 GMT, "altheim" wrote:

The first motorway (the M1)...

The first motorway was the Preston by-pass, opened in the mid '50s.

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Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather

Alan White wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:44:59 GMT, "altheim" wrote:

The first motorway (the M1)...

The first motorway was the Preston by-pass, opened in the mid '50s.

I was under the impression that Hitler had built the Autobon during WWII
for troop and government to move more quickly.

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The problem with the global warming theory, is that a theory is like a
bowl of ice-cream, it only takes a little dab of bull**** to ruin the
whole thing.

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:26:51 -0400, Talk-n-Dog
wrote:

I was under the impression that Hitler had built the Autobon during WWII
for troop and government to move more quickly.

Yes, you're quite right but that was a motorway not a Motorway. In
Germany motorways are called Autobahn, in Italy they're called
Autostrada etc.

The first Motorway in the UK was the Preston by-pass. I remember driving
along it in 1958 or 1959. The first part of the M1 opened in either late
'59 or early '60. I have a colour slide somewhere which I took from a
bridge near Moulsoe in Bedfordshire showing it before opening.

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Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather

See http://www.lmars.co.uk/images/pages/motorways.html

--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather