LCD native resolution

common_ wrote:
"Matthew L. Martin" wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:06:38 -0700 NadCixelsyd wrote:

| Target has a couple of tiny LCD tvs, but I think they are just NTSC,
| and are only modest pixels in any case.
|
| Any new TV that has an NTSC tuner MUST also have an ATSC tuner. If
| it's just a monitor, without a NTSC tuner, then an ATSC tuner is not
| required. This requirement has been in effect since March.

The requirement currently only applies to what is manufactured since
March. Current stocks can be sold down. Eventually portable TVs will
have to have an ATSC tuner, or have no tuner.


| The modest pixels LCDs at Walmart (800x600) have an ATSC tuner. It's
| just not HDTV, but it should be a bit better than a NTSC signal.

But when there is a small portable one, battery powered, easily carryable,
then I will buy (if decent quality). Portable TVs exist. But they are
still just NTSC only. They'll need an STB after 2009-02-17 and an STB on
a portable TV just doesn't seem right.

Given that there are already very cheap USB ATSC tuners I think you are
full of ****, as usual.

Matthew

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excuse me,,but what does USB have to do with this thread?

The fact that a STB is not an obstacle to an OTA portable TV. The
technology is already available, it simply needs to be used in a *very*
slightly different way.

after 2009-02-17 a portable TV w/o an built in ATSC tuner will be
useless,,,


Unless it has a USB size STB.

Matthew

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common_ wrote:
"Matthew L. Martin" wrote:
Given that there are already very cheap USB ATSC tuners I think you are
full of ****, as usual.

excuse me,,but what does USB have to do with this thread?

after 2009-02-17 a portable TV w/o an built in ATSC tuner will be
useless,,,

useless, my aunt's fanny. My PS2 will still work just fine with one.

Dave "assuming I ever get around to buying a TV in the FIRST place, that is"
DeLaney
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:03:43 -0700 Steve Curtis wrote:
| " wrote:
|
|Steve Curtis wrote:
|
|"JXStern" wrote:
|
| Think of the portable DVD players
|they do have now, but add ATSC
|tuner.
|
|Wonder if we'll ever see a portable
|Blu-ray and/or HD-DVD player.
|
|I'm sure it will eventually happen if any
|content comes only in that form. That
|remains to be seen. If "they" always
|make SD DVD versions of every movie
|or other content, then maybe not.
|
| Right now the closest thing to a portable Blu-ray DVD player is a Sony
| VAIO notebook computer with a Blu-ray drive.

And that could have uses for that high-capacity media for other than video
content. I personally prefer to see BR-DVD become popular just so the
blank media for the recordable version becomes cheaper sooner so I can use
it for data purposes. But it can also help video content, too, allowing
for less compression, more time, or other stuff.

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In alt.tv.tech.hdtv Matthew L. Martin wrote:
| wrote:
| On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:06:38 -0700 NadCixelsyd wrote:
|
| | Target has a couple of tiny LCD tvs, but I think they are just NTSC,
| | and are only modest pixels in any case.
| |
| | Any new TV that has an NTSC tuner MUST also have an ATSC tuner. If
| | it's just a monitor, without a NTSC tuner, then an ATSC tuner is not
| | required. This requirement has been in effect since March.
|
| The requirement currently only applies to what is manufactured since
| March. Current stocks can be sold down. Eventually portable TVs will
| have to have an ATSC tuner, or have no tuner.
|
|
| | The modest pixels LCDs at Walmart (800x600) have an ATSC tuner. It's
| | just not HDTV, but it should be a bit better than a NTSC signal.
|
| But when there is a small portable one, battery powered, easily carryable,
| then I will buy (if decent quality). Portable TVs exist. But they are
| still just NTSC only. They'll need an STB after 2009-02-17 and an STB on
| a portable TV just doesn't seem right.
|
|
| Given that there are already very cheap USB ATSC tuners I think you are
| full of ****, as usual.

You sure are getting back into the mode you were in when I first encountered
your pathetic attitude.

I suggest you post a plausible argument that explains how a "very cheap USB
ATSC tuner" contradicts the very fact that absolutely every portable TV on
store shelves and store web sites have only NTSC tuners. Have you ever
though about "supply pipeline"? It is very possible they are already making
the ATSC portables. It is very possible they have been making them since
March or even before. It is very possible they are just pushing stocks of
portable TVs that don't have ATSC so they don't take such a big loss on them.
A lot of explanations are possible.

But you'd never think of that as long as your net-bully people-hating idiot
attitude is engaged.

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| Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below |
| first name lower case at ipal.net / |
|------------------------------------/-------------------------------------|

In alt.tv.tech.hdtv common_ wrote:
| "Matthew L. Martin" wrote:
|
wrote:
| On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:06:38 -0700 NadCixelsyd wrote:
|
| | Target has a couple of tiny LCD tvs, but I think they are just NTSC,
| | and are only modest pixels in any case.
| |
| | Any new TV that has an NTSC tuner MUST also have an ATSC tuner. If
| | it's just a monitor, without a NTSC tuner, then an ATSC tuner is not
| | required. This requirement has been in effect since March.
|
| The requirement currently only applies to what is manufactured since
| March. Current stocks can be sold down. Eventually portable TVs will
| have to have an ATSC tuner, or have no tuner.
|
|
| | The modest pixels LCDs at Walmart (800x600) have an ATSC tuner. It's
| | just not HDTV, but it should be a bit better than a NTSC signal.
|
| But when there is a small portable one, battery powered, easily carryable,
| then I will buy (if decent quality). Portable TVs exist. But they are
| still just NTSC only. They'll need an STB after 2009-02-17 and an STB on
| a portable TV just doesn't seem right.
|
|
|Given that there are already very cheap USB ATSC tuners I think you are
|full of ****, as usual.
|
|Matthew
|
|--
|I'm a consultant. If you want an opinion I'll sell you one.
|Which one do you want?
|
| excuse me,,but what does USB have to do with this thread?

You nailed it :-) ... it's his "excuse" to make yet another personal attack.

That or he somehow thinks a USB ATSC tuner and a laptop computer makes a
fine portable TV.

I'd like to see a portable TV in an iPhone form factor (as one possible way
to make it nicely portable).


| after 2009-02-17 a portable TV w/o an built in ATSC tuner will be
| useless,,,

I think he knows that. But he's probably off his meds right now (maybe Bob
took them ... haven't seen many COFDM arguments lately) and doesn't engage
the smart part of his brain.

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| Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below |
| first name lower case at ipal.net / |
|------------------------------------/-------------------------------------|

In alt.tv.tech.hdtv Matthew L. Martin wrote:

| The fact that a STB is not an obstacle to an OTA portable TV. The
| technology is already available, it simply needs to be used in a *very*
| slightly different way.
|
| after 2009-02-17 a portable TV w/o an built in ATSC tuner will be
| useless,,,
|
|
| Unless it has a USB size STB.

Post at least ONE URL to a web page showing the technical details of a
small portable TV that has a USB socket for a tuner _with_ slot space to
entirely hold that tuner in a way that does not have something sticking
out from some side or have dangling wires.

I'm not going to even consider looking at USB connected ATSC tuners unless
you can show that there is a plausible use for such tuners in a form factor
I currently need.

USB TV tuners is an intruiging idea for other reasons ... as a means for
a computer to provide a full transport stream (video, audio, PSIP, and
more than one channel) to a TV. But that's something unrelated to my
current need for a portable TV that doesn't become useless on 2009-02-18.

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|---------------------------------------/----------------------------------|
| Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below |
| first name lower case at ipal.net / |
|------------------------------------/-------------------------------------|

In alt.tv.tech.hdtv David DeLaney wrote:
| common_ wrote:
|"Matthew L. Martin" wrote:
|Given that there are already very cheap USB ATSC tuners I think you are
|full of ****, as usual.
|
|excuse me,,but what does USB have to do with this thread?
|
|after 2009-02-17 a portable TV w/o an built in ATSC tuner will be
|useless,,,
|
| useless, my aunt's fanny. My PS2 will still work just fine with one.

Wow, you carry a PS2 with the TV used with it, while playing? :-)

Of course an old NTSC TV will still have uses for devices that have RF out
using an NTSC (N)otice (T)he (S)can (C)rawl video system. Even better if
the TV has video in. Better still if S-video in. Best if component in.
Better than best if DVI/HDMI in. But I don't know that people want all
that in a portable TV (though I would check it out if they made one like
that with an ATSC+NTSC tuner integrated into it).

But my expected use for a _small_ portable TV is carrying it around and
being able to receive OTA TV.

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| Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below |
| first name lower case at ipal.net / |
|------------------------------------/-------------------------------------|

In article ,
(David DeLaney) wrote:

common_ wrote:

after 2009-02-17 a portable TV w/o an built in ATSC tuner will be
useless,,,

useless, my aunt's fanny. My PS2 will still work just fine with one.

Dave "assuming I ever get around to buying a TV in the FIRST place, that is"
DeLaney

Also, http://tinyurl.com/s3ap7 . You'd have to modify it a bit to do it
with a portable TV, but I'm sure that's well within your capabilities.

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wrote:
In alt.tv.tech.hdtv Matthew L. Martin wrote:

| The fact that a STB is not an obstacle to an OTA portable TV. The
| technology is already available, it simply needs to be used in a *very*
| slightly different way.
|
| after 2009-02-17 a portable TV w/o an built in ATSC tuner will be
| useless,,,
|
|
| Unless it has a USB size STB.

Post at least ONE URL to a web page showing the technical details of a
small portable TV that has a USB socket for a tuner _with_ slot space to
entirely hold that tuner in a way that does not have something sticking
out from some side or have dangling wires.

Who said it had to be something on the market today? The fact is that a
STB can have a USB dongle form factor. The interconnect doesn't have to
be USB, it could be MPEG-2 with the decoder in the display or even HDMI
(but you can bet that STB will cost more than the TV).

I'm not going to even consider looking at USB connected ATSC tuners unless
you can show that there is a plausible use for such tuners in a form factor
I currently need.

It's all about you, as usual.

USB TV tuners is an intruiging idea for other reasons ... as a means for
a computer to provide a full transport stream (video, audio, PSIP, and
more than one channel) to a TV. But that's something unrelated to my
current need for a portable TV that doesn't become useless on 2009-02-18.

Your current need should drive the market? RIGHT!! It's all about you,
as usual. Anyone currently marketing a newly made portable TV with an
NTSC tuner must have an ATSC tuner as well. Are you having trouble
finding such a device?

If so, take it up with the manufacturers. I'm sure that they are waiting
for your call.

NOT!

Matthew

--
I'm a consultant. If you want an opinion I'll sell you one.
Which one do you want?

wrote:
In alt.tv.tech.hdtv Matthew L. Martin wrote:
| wrote:
| On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:06:38 -0700 NadCixelsyd wrote:
|
| | Target has a couple of tiny LCD tvs, but I think they are just NTSC,
| | and are only modest pixels in any case.
| |
| | Any new TV that has an NTSC tuner MUST also have an ATSC tuner. If
| | it's just a monitor, without a NTSC tuner, then an ATSC tuner is not
| | required. This requirement has been in effect since March.
|
| The requirement currently only applies to what is manufactured since
| March. Current stocks can be sold down. Eventually portable TVs will
| have to have an ATSC tuner, or have no tuner.
|
|
| | The modest pixels LCDs at Walmart (800x600) have an ATSC tuner. It's
| | just not HDTV, but it should be a bit better than a NTSC signal.
|
| But when there is a small portable one, battery powered, easily carryable,
| then I will buy (if decent quality). Portable TVs exist. But they are
| still just NTSC only. They'll need an STB after 2009-02-17 and an STB on
| a portable TV just doesn't seem right.
|
|
| Given that there are already very cheap USB ATSC tuners I think you are
| full of ****, as usual.

You sure are getting back into the mode you were in when I first encountered
your pathetic attitude.

You are an ignorant, self centered blow hard.

I suggest you post a plausible argument that explains how a "very cheap USB
ATSC tuner" contradicts the very fact that absolutely every portable TV on
store shelves and store web sites have only NTSC tuners.

Who said it had to be anything currently on the market, you ignorant,
self centered blow hard.

Have you ever
though about "supply pipeline"? It is very possible they are already making
the ATSC portables.

Then just what is your problem, ignorant, self centered blow hard.

It is very possible they have been making them since
March or even before. It is very possible they are just pushing stocks of
portable TVs that don't have ATSC so they don't take such a big loss on them.
A lot of explanations are possible.

You spend a lot of words on speculation, ignorant, self centered blow hard.

But you'd never think of that as long as your net-bully people-hating idiot
attitude is engaged.

I did, you are the one who brought up the portable with a STB, not me,
ignorant, self centered blow hard. I simply pointed out that the
technology exists to have an ATSC tuner in a USB sized device. It is
possible, though unlikely that they will be manufactured at enough
volume to justify the NRE.

Matthew

--
I'm a consultant. If you want an opinion I'll sell you one.
Which one do you want?