Run HDMI from DVD to TV. What about audio?

On Jul 11, 7:23 pm, "WGD" wrote:
Found this at an HDMI link:

Lip Sync: Because consumer electronics devices are using increasingly
complex digital signal processing to enhance the clarity and detail of the
content, synchronization of video and audio in user devices has become a
greater challenge and could potentially require complex end-user
adjustments. HDMI 1.3 incorporates an automatic audio/video synching
capability that allows devices to perform this synchronization automatically
with accuracy.

Yes, it would be interesting to know How.

"k-man" wrote in message

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Version 1.3 of what, HDMI? How?

Thanks.
Kevin

On Jul 11, 9:41 am, "WGD" wrote:
Michael is right about the lip-sync problem. It is understood that this
has
been fixed in Ver 1.3
Wayne

"Michael Walraven" wrote in message

news:[email protected]

For my setup (TV - off the air antenna,DVD player, Receiver/Amp).

TV has 'speaker - OFF' (in menu), this is different than 'mute'.
Optical cable for audio from TV to receiver (used for OTA TV reception)
HDMI from DVD player to TV (also carries audio, but not used as speaker
in
TV is OFF)
Optical cable from DVD Player to receiver for audio.

Supposedly there can be a lip sync problem if you send Standard DVD to
the
TV where the TV does the up converting to its native resolution and
send
the audio to your receiver. It is possible that the processing time in
the
TV is long enough to notice that the sound comes out before the
picture.
If you use the up converting in the DVD player instead then again
supposedly that can be compensated for.
I doubt that is the case, however I have never done any side/side
comparisons - from whence come flame wars.

If you use HDMI from up converting DVD player to a new HD TV, then you
can
have the up converter do its job on all DVD's. If you use component
instead then the DVD player will not up convert to HD parameters for
copy
protected DVDs (a legal thing).

For your setup of just DVD player and TV no amp at present, run HDMI
from
DVD player to TV, will carry audio along, use TV speakers (note that in
general they are not particularly good.)

You did not mention what other source you will use (antenna, cable etc)
however if you are using a settop box that has HDMI out then you will
also
want to use that, meaning that your TV should have at least 2 HDMI
inputs.

Do NOT buy your HDMI cables from your local TV store! Way too
expensive.
Go to the net and buy there. I got a 6' HDMI from an Amazon.com link
for
$2 plus $6 shipping.

Michael

"k-man" wrote in message
roups.com...
I'm thinking of getting the latest Oppo DVD player and, for the best
possible picture, connecting it via HDMI directly to my new HD LCD.
Question: What do I do with the audio? My TV's got an optical-out.
Do I feed the optical-out from my TV into my receiver (which I also
don't have yet)? Is that going to cause sync problems? Or, do I run
Thanks for the follow-up.

Kevin


HDMI from the DVD player to the TV and, at the same time, run fiber
from the DVD player to the receiver (if it even lets me do that)?
And, if I do that, then what becomes of the audio from the HDMI
connection? Maybe my TV's got a "no audio" feature besides mute (I
guess for that I can check the TV's menu). Anyhow, anybody have any
insight, anybody dealt with a similar scenario?

Thanks!
Kevin- Hide quoted text -

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Phil:

Who said anything about the cable putting things out of sync? From
WGD's info, it talks about processing time. At least, that's how I
interpreted it in this particular message.

Kevin


On Jul 12, 8:36 am, wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:23:32 GMT WGD wrote:

| Lip Sync: Because consumer electronics devices are using increasingly
| complex digital signal processing to enhance the clarity and detail of the
| content, synchronization of video and audio in user devices has become a
| greater challenge and could potentially require complex end-user
| adjustments. HDMI 1.3 incorporates an automatic audio/video synching
| capability that allows devices to perform this synchronization automatically
| with accuracy.

It's not the cable that gets things out of sync. It is the processing
circuitry itself. If that circuitry were to ensure that audio and video
were tagged together, this would not be a problem. Putting time tags on
the audio and video in the transport protocol coming over the wire might
be a convenience to such circuitry, but it is by no means necessary since
that circuitry could apply any arbitrary sequencing of numbers itself.
All that is necessary is that at every step any equipment puts out audio
and video together, it must put them out already in sync.

It's not the cable that can bring them back in sync. The cable cannot
do that. The interface to the cable might, but that is absolutely the
wrong place to put it. This is nothing more than an attempt to shake
down consumers for even more cash by forcing them to buy something even
newer that very likely gains them nothing at all (just fix the broken
circuitry that is getting things out of sync).

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|---------------------------------------/----------------------------------*|
| Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below |
| first name lower case at ipal.net / |
|------------------------------------/-------------------------------------*|

Thank you.

Kevin


On Jul 11, 7:25 pm, "WGD" wrote:
GoTo: http://www.abccables.com/info-lip-sync.html for more about lip
sync.

"k-man" wrote in message

ups.com...



Version 1.3 of what, HDMI? How?

Thanks.
Kevin

On Jul 11, 9:41 am, "WGD" wrote:
Michael is right about the lip-sync problem. It is understood that this
has
been fixed in Ver 1.3
Wayne

"Michael Walraven" wrote in message

news:[email protected]

For my setup (TV - off the air antenna,DVD player, Receiver/Amp).

TV has 'speaker - OFF' (in menu), this is different than 'mute'.
Optical cable for audio from TV to receiver (used for OTA TV reception)
HDMI from DVD player to TV (also carries audio, but not used as speaker
in
TV is OFF)
Optical cable from DVD Player to receiver for audio.

Supposedly there can be a lip sync problem if you send Standard DVD to
the
TV where the TV does the up converting to its native resolution and
send
the audio to your receiver. It is possible that the processing time in
the
TV is long enough to notice that the sound comes out before the
picture.
If you use the up converting in the DVD player instead then again
supposedly that can be compensated for.
I doubt that is the case, however I have never done any side/side
comparisons - from whence come flame wars.

If you use HDMI from up converting DVD player to a new HD TV, then you
can
have the up converter do its job on all DVD's. If you use component
instead then the DVD player will not up convert to HD parameters for
copy
protected DVDs (a legal thing).

For your setup of just DVD player and TV no amp at present, run HDMI
from
DVD player to TV, will carry audio along, use TV speakers (note that in
general they are not particularly good.)

You did not mention what other source you will use (antenna, cable etc)
however if you are using a settop box that has HDMI out then you will
also
want to use that, meaning that your TV should have at least 2 HDMI
inputs.

Do NOT buy your HDMI cables from your local TV store! Way too
expensive.
Go to the net and buy there. I got a 6' HDMI from an Amazon.com link
for
$2 plus $6 shipping.

Michael

"k-man" wrote in message
roups.com...
I'm thinking of getting the latest Oppo DVD player and, for the best
possible picture, connecting it via HDMI directly to my new HD LCD.
Question: What do I do with the audio? My TV's got an optical-out.
Do I feed the optical-out from my TV into my receiver (which I also
don't have yet)? Is that going to cause sync problems? Or, do I run
HDMI from the DVD player to the TV and, at the same time, run fiber
from the DVD player to the receiver (if it even lets me do that)?
And, if I do that, then what becomes of the audio from the HDMI
connection? Maybe my TV's got a "no audio" feature besides mute (I
guess for that I can check the TV's menu). Anyhow, anybody have any
insight, anybody dealt with a similar scenario?

Thanks!
Kevin- Hide quoted text -

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Thanks. I actually just ordered the silver version. Some reviews
said that the conversion to 720p isn't so hot. Some reviews also said
that that receiver downgrades 1080i component connection to 720p.
Options in that case are to disable the DCDi circuitry or run HDMI
directly from the source to the TV (for the video). And thanks in
part to these discussions in this thread, I know more about how to
handle the audio.

Thanks.
Kevin


On Jul 11, 5:53 pm, "go_dawgs" wrote:
"k-man" wrote in message

ups.com...





You asked me about more details for my setup. I have a Sharp Aquos
LC-46D62U (it's got 2 HDMI inputs) and I'm picking up digital signals
over the air. No cable, no cable box. The amp I'm thinking of
getting is an Onkyo SR605. I might be able to just run everything
through that amp's HDMI input (2 HDMI's in, 1 out). But I don't yet
fully understand how that amp will treat the video signal (whether it
will attempt to upscale it or what). That's why I wanted to know
about running HDMI directly to the TV and re-routing audio from the TV
back to the amp (just to do some homework, see what my options will
be).

Someone else mentioned that the OPPO 981 has additional audio outputs
(besides the HDMI feed). So, I might be better off just running audio
from the DVD player to the amp directly. Also, because of being
reminded about the copy protection circuitry, now I'm even wondering
if I would be able to use the optical audio out from the TV if I'm
using an HDMI source. I should check the manual again.

For HDMI cables, right... you don't need anything fancy. It's a
digital signal. If you're able to get a picture and there are no drop-
out's, you're golden.

I have the Onkyo SR605 and a Panny Plasma. For HDMI inputs the SR605 will
directly pass the video signals with no processing. The SR605 only applies
video processing on analog inputs to allow 720p on the HDMI output.

You will also need to send the TVs audio back to the SR605 for over the air
programming (optical or analog).

The SR605 has worked flawlessly so far, and has excellent sound.- Hide quoted text -

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On Jul 11, 10:24 am, (Neill Massello) wrote:
k-man wrote:
I'm thinking of getting the latest Oppo DVD player and, for the best
possible picture, connecting it via HDMI directly to my new HD LCD.
Question: What do I do with the audio? My TV's got an optical-out.
Do I feed the optical-out from my TV into my receiver (which I also
don't have yet)? Is that going to cause sync problems? Or, do I run
HDMI from the DVD player to the TV and, at the same time, run fiber
from the DVD player to the receiver (if it even lets me do that)?
And, if I do that, then what becomes of the audio from the HDMI
connection? Maybe my TV's got a "no audio" feature besides mute (I
guess for that I can check the TV's menu). Anyhow, anybody have any
insight, anybody dealt with a similar scenario?

The Oppo 981 has optical and coaxial digital audio outputs. Most AV
receivers now have more than one optical input. Some TVs don't pass
through digital audio from their HDMI inputs to their optical digital
output. Mine doesn't, so I use a separate path for digital audio to my
receiver. I've never noticed any audio sync problems with DVDs on my
Oppo 981, only with some digital OTA broadcasts.

Thanks. That's good info for me. Thank you.
Kevin

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:38:06 -0000 k-man wrote:

| Phil:
|
| Who said anything about the cable putting things out of sync? From
| WGD's info, it talks about processing time. At least, that's how I
| interpreted it in this particular message.

So you are saying the cable is not the source of the problem? Yet why
is the cable being fixed to correct the problem?

If something is doing some processing in the wrong way, then fix that
processing.

--
|---------------------------------------/----------------------------------|
| Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below |
| first name lower case at ipal.net / |
|------------------------------------/-------------------------------------|

k-man wrote:

Thanks. I actually just ordered the silver version.


assuming an Onkyo SR605 DVD player (?),
what made you choose that over the OPPO 981?

bill


Some reviews
said that the conversion to 720p isn't so hot. Some reviews also said
that that receiver downgrades 1080i component connection to 720p.
Options in that case are to disable the DCDi circuitry or run HDMI
directly from the source to the TV (for the video). And thanks in
part to these discussions in this thread, I know more about how to
handle the audio.

Thanks.
Kevin


On Jul 11, 5:53 pm, "go_dawgs" wrote:

"k-man" wrote in message

roups.com...

You asked me about more details for my setup. I have a Sharp Aquos
LC-46D62U (it's got 2 HDMI inputs) and I'm picking up digital signals
over the air. No cable, no cable box. The amp I'm thinking of
getting is an Onkyo SR605. I might be able to just run everything
through that amp's HDMI input (2 HDMI's in, 1 out). But I don't yet
fully understand how that amp will treat the video signal (whether it
will attempt to upscale it or what). That's why I wanted to know
about running HDMI directly to the TV and re-routing audio from the TV
back to the amp (just to do some homework, see what my options will
be).

Someone else mentioned that the OPPO 981 has additional audio outputs
(besides the HDMI feed). So, I might be better off just running audio
from the DVD player to the amp directly. Also, because of being
reminded about the copy protection circuitry, now I'm even wondering
if I would be able to use the optical audio out from the TV if I'm
using an HDMI source. I should check the manual again.

For HDMI cables, right... you don't need anything fancy. It's a
digital signal. If you're able to get a picture and there are no drop-
out's, you're golden.

I have the Onkyo SR605 and a Panny Plasma. For HDMI inputs the SR605 will
directly pass the video signals with no processing. The SR605 only applies
video processing on analog inputs to allow 720p on the HDMI output.

You will also need to send the TVs audio back to the SR605 for over the air
programming (optical or analog).

The SR605 has worked flawlessly so far, and has excellent sound.- Hide quoted text -

Hi Phil:

I still don't understand. I don't know anything about a cable being
fixed. Maybe I missed someone's post; but all I recall about a cable
is that someone said to not buy an expensive HDMI cable, which was
sort an "aside" comment.

Kevin


On Jul 13, 8:19 am, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:38:06 -0000 k-man wrote:

| Phil:
|
| Who said anything about the cable putting things out of sync? From
| WGD's info, it talks about processing time. At least, that's how I
| interpreted it in this particular message.

So you are saying the cable is not the source of the problem? Yet why
is the cable being fixed to correct the problem?

If something is doing some processing in the wrong way, then fix that
processing.

--
|---------------------------------------/----------------------------------|
| Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below |
| first name lower case at ipal.net / |
|------------------------------------/-------------------------------------|

The Onkyo SR605 is a receiver/amp, not a DVD player.

Kevin


On Jul 14, 1:25 am, willbill wrote:
k-man wrote:
Thanks. I actually just ordered the silver version.

assuming an Onkyo SR605 DVD player (?),
what made you choose that over the OPPO 981?

bill

Some reviews
said that the conversion to 720p isn't so hot. Some reviews also said
that that receiver downgrades 1080i component connection to 720p.
Options in that case are to disable the DCDi circuitry or run HDMI
directly from the source to the TV (for the video). And thanks in
part to these discussions in this thread, I know more about how to
handle the audio.

Thanks.
Kevin

On Jul 11, 5:53 pm, "go_dawgs" wrote:

"k-man" wrote in message

roups.com...

You asked me about more details for my setup. I have a Sharp Aquos
LC-46D62U (it's got 2 HDMI inputs) and I'm picking up digital signals
over the air. No cable, no cable box. The amp I'm thinking of
getting is an Onkyo SR605. I might be able to just run everything
through that amp's HDMI input (2 HDMI's in, 1 out). But I don't yet
fully understand how that amp will treat the video signal (whether it
will attempt to upscale it or what). That's why I wanted to know
about running HDMI directly to the TV and re-routing audio from the TV
back to the amp (just to do some homework, see what my options will
be).

Someone else mentioned that the OPPO 981 has additional audio outputs
(besides the HDMI feed). So, I might be better off just running audio
from the DVD player to the amp directly. Also, because of being
reminded about the copy protection circuitry, now I'm even wondering
if I would be able to use the optical audio out from the TV if I'm
using an HDMI source. I should check the manual again.

For HDMI cables, right... you don't need anything fancy. It's a
digital signal. If you're able to get a picture and there are no drop-
out's, you're golden.

I have the Onkyo SR605 and a Panny Plasma. For HDMI inputs the SR605 will
directly pass the video signals with no processing. The SR605 only applies
video processing on analog inputs to allow 720p on the HDMI output.

You will also need to send the TVs audio back to the SR605 for over the air
programming (optical or analog).

The SR605 has worked flawlessly so far, and has excellent sound.- Hide quoted text -

k-man wrote:

The Onkyo SR605 is a receiver/amp, not a DVD player.


ah

out of honest curiosity, how many optical inputs
does it have for multichannel digital audio?

anyways... if you haven't yet gotten the DVD player,
go with the OPPO 980. it does a great uprez job
(so long as your TV has an HDMI input), and plays
every disk out there, with the exception of DVD-RAM

bill