No Freeview in the channel islands

charles wrote:
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"Boltar" wrote in message
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I thought digital TV was being rolled out everywhere in the british
isles? Seems someone forgot about our cousins in the channel. Anyone
know why Freeview isn't available there? Is it because the toytown
governments on jersey and guernsey there don't want it or is there
some other reason? And what happens when no one bothers to make
analogue PAL TV sets anymore, what will they do then?

B2003



the channel islands are not british - i'd guess that has something to
do with it.


What passport do you think residents of CI hold? A clue would be they
live in Britain.

If they had British Passports they's be EU ones. They aren't part of the
EU.


from wiki

The Islands are not part of the European Union, but are part of the
Customs Territory of the European Community, by virtue of Protocol Three
to the Treaty on European Union.

Islanders are full British Citizens, but not all are European Citizens.
Any British citizen who applies for a passport in Jersey or Guernsey
receives a passport bearing the words 'British Islands, Bailiwick of
Jersey' or 'British Islands, Bailiwick of Guernsey'. Under the
provisions of Protocol Three, Channel Islanders who do not have a close
connection with the UK (no parent or grandparent from the UK, and have
never been resident in Great Britain or Northern Ireland for any
five-year period) do not automatically benefit from the EU provisions on
free movement within the EU and consequently their passports receive an
endorsement to that effect. This only affects a minority of Islanders.

"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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It's not just a question of distance. It all depends on what frequencies
are available at the moment.
Ian.
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You would have thought with the location of the Channel Islands that UHF
frequency availability wouldn't be a problem.

The French have hardly got a rash of relays along their coast like the welsh
hills have they?

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"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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It's not just a question of distance. It all depends on what frequencies
are available at the moment.
Ian.
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You would have thought with the location of the Channel Islands that UHF
frequency availability wouldn't be a problem.

The French have hardly got a rash of relays along their coast like the welsh
hills have they?


Haven't checked. Don't they? There used to be a sort-of self-help system
called Télévillage (not in the modern sense).
Ian.
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"Boltar" wrote in message
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Dover is nearer to france than jersey or guernsey

Incorrect. Jersey is only 14 miles from France. From Mont Orguille castle
the French coast is far clearer than from Dover.

Vernon wrote:
"Boltar" wrote in message
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Dover is nearer to france than jersey or guernsey

Incorrect. Jersey is only 14 miles from France. From Mont Orguille castle
the French coast is far clearer than from Dover.

And the site of the Gorey relay station :-)

http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gorey.shtml

Also bear in mind that the Channel Islands have a total of eight transmitters,
between them consuming 32 UHF allocations, that only leaves another 12
possible for TV use, which I assume are used by nearby French transmitters.


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Mark Carver wrote:
Also bear in mind that the Channel Islands have a total of eight
transmitters, between them consuming 32 UHF allocations, that only
leaves another 12 possible for TV use, which I assume are used by
nearby French transmitters.

Good point - for the existing analogue network. Presumably, though, it
shouldn't be too difficult to find six frequencies for six muxes on an
SFN for the C.I.? (It may be worth noting that transmissions from the
C.I. are watched on the adjacent French coast, though I don't know to
what extent nowadays. Channel Television used to have (still has?) a
late-night news programme in French for the 'neighbours').

André Coutanche

André Coutanche wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:
Also bear in mind that the Channel Islands have a total of eight
transmitters, between them consuming 32 UHF allocations, that only
leaves another 12 possible for TV use, which I assume are used by
nearby French transmitters.

Good point - for the existing analogue network. Presumably, though, it
shouldn't be too difficult to find six frequencies for six muxes on an
SFN for the C.I.? (It may be worth noting that transmissions from the
C.I. are watched on the adjacent French coast, though I don't know to
what extent nowadays. Channel Television used to have (still has?) a
late-night news programme in French for the 'neighbours').

Going by the RRC06 allocations:-

http://www.tellyaerial.34sp.com/ta.php/rrc

It seems that post DSO four muxes will be using Fremont Pt's present analogue
allocations, plus two more taken from Les Touillets (Guernsey). On Guernsey
itself the other two allocations from LT are to be used. It looks to me as if
the first four muxes might be a CI-wide SFN, augmented by two more muxes on
Jersey and Guernsey. A clue to this is that no actual Tx sites are mentioned,
only 'areas'.


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Islanders are full British Citizens, but not all are European Citizens ... [snipped]

The Channel Islands and the Isle of Man are Crown Dependencies. They
are internally entirely self governing (police, health service, social
security, etc etc and finance these locally (and no doubt with plenty
of offshore financial revenue!) without AFAIAA any GB government
involvement. External/foreign relations/international treaties etc etc
are the responsibity of the UK government, this incudes allocation of
broadcating frequencies which are governed by international agreements
on a Europe wide basis. This is one of the reasons the CI and IOM are
included in BBC/ITV coverage as this is an area reserved to the
British government.
The Channel Islands are (as pointed out) very close to the French
coast and therefore there would be interference problems which do
limit the frequencies available for CI broadcasts

Channel Television used to have (still has?) a late-night news programme in French for the 'neighbours').

No doubt broadcast in SECAM and on 819 line VHF for their
benefit .....


Is it not more likely that it is for the Channel Islanders who speak
French or the local island language which is derived from
French?

As an aside, is there a tradition of watching French broadcasts in the
Channel Islands and is there a tradition of dual standard sets being
bought for the purpose?

AnnieslandJohn wrote:
Channel Television used to have (still has?) a late-night news
programme in French for the 'neighbours').

No doubt broadcast in SECAM and on 819 line VHF for their
benefit .....

Mais, non! French tvs are - almost without exception, I believe -
multistandard. If a 625/50 PAL signal is available, they will display
it (though the broadcasts started well before Channel Television went
to colour).

Is it not more likely that it is for the Channel Islanders who speak
French or the local island language which is derived from
French?

No. Channel Islanders speak about as much modern French as the
population of the U.K. The local languages (usually, though wrongly,
called 'patois') are virtually unintelligible to a French-speaker.

As an aside, is there a tradition of watching French broadcasts in
the Channel Islands and is there a tradition of dual standard sets
being bought for the purpose?

No. Most islanders wouldn't understand it (see above).

André Coutanche
(né Guernsey)