Digital tuners in all TVs sold

On 01/07/2007 13:47, Bill Wright wrote:

In that case why can't I gat a Sky card for a Spanish address?

Becaueee the EU (or EC/EEC whatever it was called at the time)
restrictions on internal trade lifted in 1992 only applied to goods and
labour, not services?

On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 07:26:03 +0100, "buddenbrooks"
wrote:

So it is not at all unreasonable for a customer to walk into a shop, buy a
"Television" note the 'tele' part it means transmission

Actually, it means "distance" or "far".

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On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 08:53:52 +0100, "buddenbrooks"
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CRTs will become illegal soon, they contain too much lead in the glass.
The level is above EC permitted concentration and
because of the widespread use a tempory exception is in force. Once sales of
new CRT based TVs drop significantly the exception will be terminated and no
TVs will be CRT.

Do you have a cite for that? I'm not saying I don't believe you, I'm
just interested.

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If you sell someting you are legally obliged to ensure the buyer
understands what it can do. If you do not then you take the risk of
having to refund the purchase, even if the buyers expectation is to
some extent unreasonable.

I would be interested in the source of/background to this as I'd
previously been told that under English law buyers were only entitled to
reasonable expectations.

The Sale of Goods Act used to refer to things which "meet the standard
that a reasonable person would regard as satisfactory, taking account of
the description of the goods, the price (if relevant) and all the other
relevant .....". So it was down to customer's reasonable expectations
when buying the product. If things have changed I'd welcome a pointer
to what/where.

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If you sell someting you are legally obliged to ensure the buyer
understands what it can do. If you do not then you take the risk of
having to refund the purchase, even if the buyers expectation is to some
extent unreasonable.

I would be interested in the source of/background to this as I'd
previously been told that under English law buyers were only entitled to
reasonable expectations.

The Sale of Goods Act used to refer to things which "meet the standard
that a reasonable person would regard as satisfactory, taking account of
the description of the goods, the price (if relevant) and all the other
relevant .....". So it was down to customer's reasonable expectations
when buying the product. If things have changed I'd welcome a pointer to
what/where.


Sunday afternoon after a few smoke free pints at the pub

I have understood this from R4 consumer programmes.

http://www.egos.co.uk/Freelanc/freela21.htm

I think it boils down to " A meeting of Minds", For a contract to hold
both parties have to understand and agree the same thing.
A contract for a Television sale to hold requires that both parties
understand the same thing for 'Television', So if a customer walks in
through the door thinking "I want a television that I can give my Mum for
Christmass and will keep her happy for 10 years",
and the salesman thinks "I need to dump those old analog TVs which will be
useless here in Cumbria in 6 months",
Then there is no "meeting of minds". The fact that a customer may verbalise
"I want a TV" and the obsolete box meets that description is not enough. The
job of a sales assistant is to identify what the customer is actually
wanting and offer products that meet that requirement.

So the case of wanting a TV capable of receiving digital TV is not met by a
analog TV with a SCART connection and an optional adaptor box, if the
picture in the mind of the buyer was of a single box with only a power and
aerial connection.

I have never had a problem returning goods that are in perfect working
condition but do not do what I expected of them.

I believe there is no limit to the difference of 'mind' , if I really do
think a large grey mammal with a long trunk and tusks is called a
Television' and Curries supply me with a 42 inch plasma technology box then
a "meeting of minds" has failed and no contract exists.

Charlie Pearce wrote:
On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 08:53:52 +0100, "buddenbrooks"
wrote:

CRTs will become illegal soon, they contain too much lead in the glass.
The level is above EC permitted concentration and
because of the widespread use a tempory exception is in force. Once sales of
new CRT based TVs drop significantly the exception will be terminated and no
TVs will be CRT.

Do you have a cite for that? I'm not saying I don't believe you, I'm
just interested.

Me too.

CRTs certainly do contain lead in their glass, to reduce X-Ray emissions.

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"Charlie Pearce" wrote in
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On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 07:26:03 +0100, "buddenbrooks"
wrote:

So it is not at all unreasonable for a customer to walk into a shop, buy a
"Television" note the 'tele' part it means transmission

Actually, it means "distance" or "far".


"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it
means just what I choose it to mean--nether more nor less."

"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many
different things."

"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be the master--that's
all."

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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On 01/07/2007 13:47, Bill Wright wrote:

In that case why can't I gat a Sky card for a Spanish address?

Becaueee the EU (or EC/EEC whatever it was called at the time)
restrictions on internal trade lifted in 1992 only applied to goods and
labour, not services?


Possibly because laws may not be reciprical, SKY may be allowed to sell to
a Spanish address they are not compelled to do so.

"Charlie Pearce" wrote in
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On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 08:53:52 +0100, "buddenbrooks"
wrote:

CRTs will become illegal soon, they contain too much lead in the glass.
The level is above EC permitted concentration and
because of the widespread use a tempory exception is in force. Once sales
of
new CRT based TVs drop significantly the exception will be terminated and
no
TVs will be CRT.

Do you have a cite for that? I'm not saying I don't believe you, I'm
just interested.

http://www.lead-free.org/SITE/UPLOAD...Compliance.pdf

http://documents.rs-components.com/E...8_DIST_ZAF.pdf

Alternatively a UK google search for ROHS and Lead and CRT

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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Charlie Pearce wrote:

Me too.

CRTs certainly do contain lead in their glass, to reduce X-Ray emissions.

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See other reply, I am not sure if the CRT exception is explained in the
references I gave.
But the exceptions were for manufactured items for which there is no viable
alternative, which was the case for CRTs at the time the legislation was
passed, but it is living legislation and will be updated as the new
technology becomes cost effective.

However basic economics will have the same effect as alternative displays
become cheaper, lighter and portable.