OTA demos in stores

"Tantalust" wrote:
"Dargo" wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:38:32 GMT, Bob Miller wrote:

Retailers are not crazy so in the US they don't hook up to our garbage
8-VSB while in all other countries retailers DO display OTA DTV.

Bob Miller

WTF is he talking about????

Miller's mentally ill. Google [groups] search this NG and see just how
deeply deranged he is. Quite entertaining sometimes, too.

DING DING DING DING!!!!!!!!! We have a winner!

Chip

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We've had OTA HD here for almost eight years, starting with the venerable
RCA DTC-100. $22 rooftop antenna.

We have all the "wrong" conditions.
Huge, leafy, waving trees, busy airports, irregular terrain.

I wonder why our reception has been 100% flawless? As in _PERFECT_?

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Has anyone, anywhere in the USA, seen any stores actually
hooking up an
antenna, inside or outside, and showing to consumers just how
well OTA
digital and high definition TV really works?

I have, but it is very unusual. Before I bought my HDTV
with ATSC
I was able to look at OTA reception on an HDTV in the
Braintree,MA
Best Buy. This was a bit surprising considering their heavy
promotion
of Satellite TV. I live near Braintree and wanted an idea of
my my
local reception. Having seen the reception and additional
PBS programming
available was what convinced me to pull the trigger. Since
then all
their TVs are on an internal feed.

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On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:37:25 -0400 Bill R wrote:

| wrote:
|
| Has anyone, anywhere in the USA, seen any stores actually hooking up an
| antenna, inside or outside, and showing to consumers just how well OTA
| digital and high definition TV really works?
|
|
| If you go to the "high end" stores (not the big box brand name stores)
| you will be able to see setups with OTA, cable, DISH Network, DirecTV
| and any other service that may be available in your area. The people
| that work in those store are very knowledgeable, and while the store
| prices are higher than the big box stores, for people that need it, the
| pre sales and post sales support are well worth it.

How do I find/identify these stores?


Look in your local yellow pages and in your local paper for their ads
and give the stores a call and ask the store if they have OTA (and
other) hookups.
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On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:08:05 -0400 Leonard Caillouet wrote:
|
| "Bob Miller" wrote in message
| nk.net...
| wrote:
| Has anyone, anywhere in the USA, seen any stores actually hooking up an
| antenna, inside or outside, and showing to consumers just how well OTA
| digital and high definition TV really works?
|
| As compared to ALL stores in any other country using COFDM where they
| would be out of business if they did not have their products on display
| receiving OTA DTV.
|
| The US has the worst DTV OTA modulation in the world, 8-VSB, and any
| retailer here would be crazy to have ANY of his products hooked up to OTA
| DTV.
|
| Retailers are not crazy so in the US they don't hook up to our garbage
| 8-VSB while in all other countries retailers DO display OTA DTV.
|
| Bob Miller
|
| I guess we are crazy because we have a set at the entry to the store on a
| small UHF loop picking up the local stations and displaying a great pix.

Where is this?

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On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:05:21 -0700 Yellowbeard wrote:

| Fathers Day weekend I went to Sears and they have a 32" VIZIO LCD HDTV
| with built in analog/digital tuner for $569.99, regular $599.99 I
| purchased it. COSTCO has the same model also for $599.99.
|
| I hooked it up, put my regular roof antennae on the input, did an auto
| scan, and I was very pleasantly shocked that my regular antennae
| picked up every local digital channel.

I'd rather _see_ for myself how well more than one set behaves with the
OTA digital signal. So does Sears bring OTA down to their TV sets in
the TV department? Some aspects of what I want to see include how the
set behaves with respect to user controls tuning to SUBchannels. I also
want to see how long it takes to switch channels. I've tried the boxes
provided by Comcast for their cable system and those boxes are absolute
crap.

I really have limited interest in OTA, aside from PBS. But if I can get
the OTA solid, and it works properly for controls, then I can make the
switch from cable to satellite. Then I can still watch Discovery, History,
HGTV, and PBS. I don't give a damn about how many blades of grass are in
the way of some dimpled white ball.

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On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 13:52:44 GMT Rick Evans wrote:
| wrote in message
| ...
| Has anyone, anywhere in the USA, seen any stores actually
| hooking up an
| antenna, inside or outside, and showing to consumers just how
| well OTA
| digital and high definition TV really works?
|
| I have, but it is very unusual. Before I bought my HDTV
| with ATSC
| I was able to look at OTA reception on an HDTV in the
| Braintree,MA
| Best Buy. This was a bit surprising considering their heavy
| promotion
| of Satellite TV. I live near Braintree and wanted an idea of
| my my
| local reception. Having seen the reception and additional
| PBS programming
| available was what convinced me to pull the trigger. Since
| then all
| their TVs are on an internal feed.

And all because you didn't choose to buy satellite service from them.

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| Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below |
| first name lower case at ipal.net / |
|------------------------------------/-------------------------------------|

| Fathers Day weekend I went to Sears and they have a 32" VIZIO LCD HDTV
| with built in analog/digital tuner for $569.99, regular $599.99 I
| purchased it. COSTCO has the same model also for $599.99.
|
| I hooked it up, put my regular roof antennae on the input, did an auto
| scan, and I was very pleasantly shocked that my regular antennae
| picked up every local digital channel.

I'd rather _see_ for myself how well more than one set behaves with the
OTA digital signal. So does Sears bring OTA down to their TV sets in
the TV department?

No, unfortunately they have the demo feed with movie previews and dif
hdtv manfct demos.
Side by side with the SONY, Samsung, LG, Panasonic...... the VIZIO is
as good if not better looking.
Now I understand looks is not everything, but for half the price, it
is nice.

Some aspects of what I want to see include how the
set behaves with respect to user controls tuning to SUBchannels. I also
want to see how long it takes to switch channels. I've tried the boxes
provided by Comcast for their cable system and those boxes are absolute
crap.

It takes 1 second, occasionaly 1.5 secs between OTA channel switches.


I really have limited interest in OTA, aside from PBS. But if I can get
the OTA solid, and it works properly for controls, then I can make the
switch from cable to satellite. Then I can still watch Discovery, History,
HGTV, and PBS. I don't give a damn about how many blades of grass are in
the way of some dimpled white ball.

and of course the blades of grass was an example of the eye candy
clarity of the OTA HD


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On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 13:52:44 GMT Rick Evans
wrote:
| wrote in message
| ...
I live near Braintree and wanted an idea of
| my my
| local reception. Having seen the reception and additional
| PBS programming
| available was what convinced me to pull the trigger.
Since
| then all
| their TVs are on an internal feed.

And all because you didn't choose to buy satellite service
from them.

LOL. I did buy an HDTV from their Dedham Store. And, the guy
in the Magnolia area who sold me the TV admitted he's also
an
antenna user. ;-)
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Bob Miller wrote:
NadCixelsyd wrote:
I get my reception OTA. When I saw how much better it was, I dumped
cable. I find USA OTA-HD to be just fine and I'm saving $1000 a
year. I have no idea what 8-VSB and COFDM are or what the differences
are.
I can not speak to the merits of one over the other. If COFDM is
better, I don't know what I'm missing. However, I'm really getting
annoyed at Bob Miller's soap-box bashing of 8-VSB. Like it or not,
it's the law. Complain to your Congressman because we, here, have no
control over the issue. I know I'm not alone he we're tired of
your bitching.

"We" have all the control over the issue. We live in a democracy.
Unless of course "We" don't think we have any control. In that case
we are f*****!!!

A billion or more people in China lived their lives until recently not
knowing what they were "missing".

I'm sure once they were enlightened on the difference between COFDM and
8-VSB they were finally able to sleep at night.


If you are easily "annoyed" by those who might be telling you what you
are missing you probably will miss a lot.

Just annoyed at someone bashing something that seems to work fine for most.
Even then, the US modulation scheme is not a quality of life issue, but
rather, a mere technicality.


Now that the Chinese have some knowledge of what they have missed in
the past they are not settling for garbage like 8-VSB. Their US
trained scientist and engineers are demanding the best and they have
it in DMB-T/H, the Chinese HDTV modulation.

And now their lives will be much better.


Bob Miller