OTA demos in stores

Wes Newell wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:56:54 +0000, Bob Miller wrote:

8-VSB does not work fine. It is garbage.

It does for millions. Try using an antenna.

OTA in the US is failing. No one supports it.

Except every TV station in the US that broadcast HDTV.

Even LG Industries which owns the IP rights (royalties)
has ceased making receivers here while making COFDM receivers in most
other countries.

LG industries isn't a US co. you fool. And the reason they no longer make
receviers if that's true is because every set now has to have a receiver
built in, not to mention that other companies make a better tuner.

And we DO use COFDM in the US. It is the modulation of Sirius and XM. It
is the modulation of 802.11g/a. It is the modulation of most wireless
systems today.

And why do we that don't use it care?

COFDM is used by ALL those who have bid on and will use the TV channels
that have been auctioned so far, 54, 55 and 59 and will be the
modulation used for all channels to be auctioned, 52, 53, 56, 57 and 58
next January.

And even some could use NTSC, so does that mean NTSC is better than
ATSC.:-)

COFDM will be used by early responders on channels 60 and above. Never
heard of anything that was critical using 8-VSB have you?

The only thing I wish I'd never heard of is you.

COFDM will also be the modulation used on channels below 51 after the
transition is deemed a complete failure in the next few years and
Congress proceeds to reclaim this spectrum for better purposes.

Just stick with that same losing horse Bill, but you'd have a better
chance of winning in a real horse race. All but your horse could stumble.
And that's what it'd take for yours to win.

COFDM is use for transmitting the HDTV signal from those news
helicopters back to the studio and for the wireless studio cameras in
those studios.

Damn, and I just sold my chopper last week.:-)

The only place that COFDM is not used is in the broadcast itself for
channels below 51 at the present. That is also the only place that is in
need of a government mandate to hide its total failure.

Yada yada.

It is simple, 8-VSB is garbage and an utter failure.

I'd say your company was the failure for support codfm when the ATSC was
determining which modulation was best for the US terrain. The transition
from NTSC to ATSC was scheduled for a 10 year event. It hasn't even
completed yet (though almost) and you think it should be changed again and
start all over. Never happen. Live with it.

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actually Wes i agree with you..

problem really is, not the Codif, but the fact that nobody seems to be
watching OTA HD TV.

shame, as its much better that the crap cable or Sat sells to you,,but
still nobody is using it?

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
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Has anyone, anywhere in the USA, seen any stores actually hooking up an
antenna, inside or outside, and showing to consumers just how well OTA
digital and high definition TV really works?

As compared to ALL stores in any other country using COFDM where they
would be out of business if they did not have their products on display
receiving OTA DTV.

The US has the worst DTV OTA modulation in the world, 8-VSB, and any
retailer here would be crazy to have ANY of his products hooked up to OTA
DTV.

Retailers are not crazy so in the US they don't hook up to our garbage
8-VSB while in all other countries retailers DO display OTA DTV.

Bob Miller

I guess we are crazy because we have a set at the entry to the store on a
small UHF loop picking up the local stations and displaying a great pix.

Leonard

common_ wrote:



actually Wes i agree with you..

problem really is, not the Codif, but the fact that nobody seems to be
watching OTA HD TV.

shame, as its much better that the crap cable or Sat sells to you,,but
still nobody is using it?

I watch plenty of ota television. Not as much as
satellite, but maybe 25% or so.

Chip

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I guess we are crazy because we have a set at the entry to the store on a
small UHF loop picking up the local stations and displaying a great pix.

Leonard

Sorry Leonard, it won't work. Bob Miller said so.

Chip

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On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:37:25 -0400 Bill R wrote:

| wrote:
|
| Has anyone, anywhere in the USA, seen any stores actually hooking up an
| antenna, inside or outside, and showing to consumers just how well OTA
| digital and high definition TV really works?
|
|
| If you go to the "high end" stores (not the big box brand name stores)
| you will be able to see setups with OTA, cable, DISH Network, DirecTV
| and any other service that may be available in your area. The people
| that work in those store are very knowledgeable, and while the store
| prices are higher than the big box stores, for people that need it, the
| pre sales and post sales support are well worth it.

How do I find/identify these stores?

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On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:38:32 GMT, Bob Miller wrote:

wrote:
Has anyone, anywhere in the USA, seen any stores actually hooking up an
antenna, inside or outside, and showing to consumers just how well OTA
digital and high definition TV really works?

As compared to ALL stores in any other country using COFDM where they
would be out of business if they did not have their products on display
receiving OTA DTV.

The US has the worst DTV OTA modulation in the world, 8-VSB, and any
retailer here would be crazy to have ANY of his products hooked up to
OTA DTV.

Retailers are not crazy so in the US they don't hook up to our garbage
8-VSB while in all other countries retailers DO display OTA DTV.

Bob Miller

WTF is he talking about????

Fathers Day weekend I went to Sears and they have a 32" VIZIO LCD HDTV
with built in analog/digital tuner for $569.99, regular $599.99 I
purchased it. COSTCO has the same model also for $599.99.

I hooked it up, put my regular roof antennae on the input, did an auto
scan, and I was very pleasantly shocked that my regular antennae
picked up every local digital channel.

It is extremely clear. I call it eye candy.
The Golf tournament was amazing. I could see every blade of grass,
every grain of sand.

I have DishNetwork, regular Sat and I am watching local OTA HD more
than SAT at this time.
YB


On Jun 29, 7:57 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:37:25 -0400 Bill R wrote:

| wrote:

|
| Has anyone, anywhere in the USA, seen any stores actually hooking up an
| antenna, inside or outside, and showing to consumers just how well OTA
| digital and high definition TV really works?
|
|
| If you go to the "high end" stores (not the big box brand name stores)
| you will be able to see setups with OTA, cable, DISH Network, DirecTV
| and any other service that may be available in your area. The people
| that work in those store are very knowledgeable, and while the store
| prices are higher than the big box stores, for people that need it, the
| pre sales and post sales support are well worth it.

How do I find/identify these stores?

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| Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below |
| first name lower case at ipal.net / |
|------------------------------------/-------------------------------------*|

In article et Bob Miller writes:

8-VSB does not work fine. It is garbage. OTA in the US is failing. No
one supports it. Even LG Industries which owns the IP rights (royalties)
has ceased making receivers here while making COFDM receivers in most
other countries.

Gee, it works beautifully here. Analog NTSC is rotten, varying from
poor to unwatchable, but the 8-VSB ATSC signals are perfect.

LG still seems to be selling these receivers.

Bob, take your medicine.


Alan

(Alan) wrote:
In article et Bob
Miller writes:

8-VSB does not work fine. It is garbage. OTA in the US is failing. No
one supports it. Even LG Industries which owns the IP rights (royalties)
has ceased making receivers here while making COFDM receivers in most
other countries.

Gee, it works beautifully here. Analog NTSC is rotten, varying from
poor to unwatchable, but the 8-VSB ATSC signals are perfect.

LG still seems to be selling these receivers.

Bob, take your medicine.

Alan

AFAIK, LG isn't making receivers since the H20-600
they made for Directv. They are, however, still
making very nice flat screens with their ota
chipset in them. They have excellent reception.

Chip

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"Dargo" wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:38:32 GMT, Bob Miller wrote:

Retailers are not crazy so in the US they don't hook up to our garbage
8-VSB while in all other countries retailers DO display OTA DTV.

Bob Miller

WTF is he talking about????


Miller's mentally ill. Google [groups] search this NG and see just how
deeply deranged he is. Quite entertaining sometimes, too.