OTA demos in stores

Has anyone, anywhere in the USA, seen any stores actually hooking up an
antenna, inside or outside, and showing to consumers just how well OTA
digital and high definition TV really works?

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Has anyone, anywhere in the USA, seen any stores actually hooking up an
antenna, inside or outside, and showing to consumers just how well OTA
digital and high definition TV really works?

As compared to ALL stores in any other country using COFDM where they
would be out of business if they did not have their products on display
receiving OTA DTV.

The US has the worst DTV OTA modulation in the world, 8-VSB, and any
retailer here would be crazy to have ANY of his products hooked up to
OTA DTV.

Retailers are not crazy so in the US they don't hook up to our garbage
8-VSB while in all other countries retailers DO display OTA DTV.

Bob Miller

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Has anyone, anywhere in the USA, seen any stores actually hooking up an
antenna, inside or outside, and showing to consumers just how well OTA
digital and high definition TV really works?

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At least one bank of HD sets here at the local Best Buy store appear to be
connected to an antenna. The store is 20 - 25 miles from the transmitter
site.

Tam

I get my reception OTA. When I saw how much better it was, I dumped
cable. I find USA OTA-HD to be just fine and I'm saving $1000 a year.

I have no idea what 8-VSB and COFDM are or what the differences are.
I can not speak to the merits of one over the other. If COFDM is
better, I don't know what I'm missing. However, I'm really getting
annoyed at Bob Miller's soap-box bashing of 8-VSB. Like it or not,
it's the law. Complain to your Congressman because we, here, have no
control over the issue. I know I'm not alone he we're tired of
your bitching.

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Has anyone, anywhere in the USA, seen any stores actually hooking up an
antenna, inside or outside, and showing to consumers just how well OTA
digital and high definition TV really works?


If you go to the "high end" stores (not the big box brand name stores)
you will be able to see setups with OTA, cable, DISH Network, DirecTV
and any other service that may be available in your area. The people
that work in those store are very knowledgeable, and while the store
prices are higher than the big box stores, for people that need it, the
pre sales and post sales support are well worth it.
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Bill R.

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Bob Miller wrote:
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Has anyone, anywhere in the USA, seen any stores actually hooking up an
antenna, inside or outside, and showing to consumers just how well OTA
digital and high definition TV really works?

As compared to ALL stores in any other country using COFDM where they
would be out of business if they did not have their products on display
receiving OTA DTV.

The US has the worst DTV OTA modulation in the world, 8-VSB, and any
retailer here would be crazy to have ANY of his products hooked up to
OTA DTV.

Retailers are not crazy so in the US they don't hook up to our garbage
8-VSB while in all other countries retailers DO display OTA DTV.

Bob Miller

Bob, you are a complete ****ing asshole. Go away somewhere
and kill yourself. Leave your body for the maggots to eat.

To everyone else, sorry for my rant and Bob bashing. He brings
out the worst in me, but then again, all liars and shills do
that to me.

8-VSB works just fine. Maybe CODFM does too, but we don't use
it here in the US.

Chip

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NadCixelsyd wrote:
I get my reception OTA. When I saw how much better it was, I dumped
cable. I find USA OTA-HD to be just fine and I'm saving $1000 a year.

I have no idea what 8-VSB and COFDM are or what the differences are.
I can not speak to the merits of one over the other. If COFDM is
better, I don't know what I'm missing. However, I'm really getting
annoyed at Bob Miller's soap-box bashing of 8-VSB. Like it or not,
it's the law. Complain to your Congressman because we, here, have no
control over the issue. I know I'm not alone he we're tired of
your bitching.

"We" have all the control over the issue. We live in a democracy. Unless
of course "We" don't think we have any control. In that case we are
f*****!!!

A billion or more people in China lived their lives until recently not
knowing what they were "missing".

If you are easily "annoyed" by those who might be telling you what you
are missing you probably will miss a lot.

Now that the Chinese have some knowledge of what they have missed in the
past they are not settling for garbage like 8-VSB. Their US trained
scientist and engineers are demanding the best and they have it in
DMB-T/H, the Chinese HDTV modulation.

Bob Miller

wrote:
Bob Miller wrote:
wrote:
Has anyone, anywhere in the USA, seen any stores actually hooking up an
antenna, inside or outside, and showing to consumers just how well OTA
digital and high definition TV really works?

As compared to ALL stores in any other country using COFDM where they
would be out of business if they did not have their products on display
receiving OTA DTV.

The US has the worst DTV OTA modulation in the world, 8-VSB, and any
retailer here would be crazy to have ANY of his products hooked up to
OTA DTV.

Retailers are not crazy so in the US they don't hook up to our garbage
8-VSB while in all other countries retailers DO display OTA DTV.

Bob Miller

Bob, you are a complete ****ing asshole. Go away somewhere
and kill yourself. Leave your body for the maggots to eat.

To everyone else, sorry for my rant and Bob bashing. He brings
out the worst in me, but then again, all liars and shills do
that to me.

8-VSB works just fine. Maybe CODFM does too, but we don't use
it here in the US.

Chip

8-VSB does not work fine. It is garbage. OTA in the US is failing. No
one supports it. Even LG Industries which owns the IP rights (royalties)
has ceased making receivers here while making COFDM receivers in most
other countries.

And we DO use COFDM in the US. It is the modulation of Sirius and XM. It
is the modulation of 802.11g/a. It is the modulation of most wireless
systems today.

COFDM is used by ALL those who have bid on and will use the TV channels
that have been auctioned so far, 54, 55 and 59 and will be the
modulation used for all channels to be auctioned, 52, 53, 56, 57 and 58
next January.

COFDM will be used by early responders on channels 60 and above. Never
heard of anything that was critical using 8-VSB have you?

COFDM will also be the modulation used on channels below 51 after the
transition is deemed a complete failure in the next few years and
Congress proceeds to reclaim this spectrum for better purposes.

COFDM is use for transmitting the HDTV signal from those news
helicopters back to the studio and for the wireless studio cameras in
those studios.

The only place that COFDM is not used is in the broadcast itself for
channels below 51 at the present. That is also the only place that is in
need of a government mandate to hide its total failure.

It is simple, 8-VSB is garbage and an utter failure.

Bob Miller

Bob Miller wrote:
wrote:
Bob Miller wrote:
wrote:
Has anyone, anywhere in the USA, seen any stores actually hooking up
an antenna, inside or outside, and showing to consumers just how well
OTA digital and high definition TV really works?

As compared to ALL stores in any other country using COFDM where they
would be out of business if they did not have their products on
display receiving OTA DTV.

The US has the worst DTV OTA modulation in the world, 8-VSB, and any
retailer here would be crazy to have ANY of his products hooked up to
OTA DTV.

Retailers are not crazy so in the US they don't hook up to our garbage
8-VSB while in all other countries retailers DO display OTA DTV.

Bob Miller

Bob, you are a complete ****ing asshole. Go away somewhere
and kill yourself. Leave your body for the maggots to eat.

To everyone else, sorry for my rant and Bob bashing. He brings
out the worst in me, but then again, all liars and shills do
that to me.

8-VSB works just fine. Maybe CODFM does too, but we don't use
it here in the US.

Chip

8-VSB does not work fine. It is garbage. OTA in the US is failing. No
one supports it. Even LG Industries which owns the IP rights (royalties)
has ceased making receivers here while making COFDM receivers in most
other countries.

And we DO use COFDM in the US. It is the modulation of Sirius and XM. It
is the modulation of 802.11g/a. It is the modulation of most wireless
systems today.

COFDM is used by ALL those who have bid on and will use the TV channels
that have been auctioned so far, 54, 55 and 59 and will be the
modulation used for all channels to be auctioned, 52, 53, 56, 57 and 58
next January.

COFDM will be used by early responders on channels 60 and above. Never
heard of anything that was critical using 8-VSB have you?

COFDM will also be the modulation used on channels below 51 after the
transition is deemed a complete failure in the next few years and
Congress proceeds to reclaim this spectrum for better purposes.

COFDM is use for transmitting the HDTV signal from those news
helicopters back to the studio and for the wireless studio cameras in
those studios.

The only place that COFDM is not used is in the broadcast itself for
channels below 51 at the present. That is also the only place that is in
need of a government mandate to hide its total failure.

It is simple, 8-VSB is garbage and an utter failure.

Bob Miller

How about wake up first, then kill yourself. You are an idiot.
Now you are comparing satellite signals in CODFM to ota 8-VSB!
What a complete moron you are! Just because you lost in your
blind ambition to get CODFM as the modulation scheme in the
US, you come here and whine and complain about how bad 8-VSB is.
What a little baby you are. You lost Bob, get over it. How much
money did you lose, anyway? 8-VSB is here to stay. Don't listen
to him folks, he is delusional.

Chip

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Bob Miller wrote:
wrote:
Bob Miller wrote:
wrote:
Has anyone, anywhere in the USA, seen any stores actually hooking up
an antenna, inside or outside, and showing to consumers just how well
OTA digital and high definition TV really works?

As compared to ALL stores in any other country using COFDM where they
would be out of business if they did not have their products on
display receiving OTA DTV.

The US has the worst DTV OTA modulation in the world, 8-VSB, and any
retailer here would be crazy to have ANY of his products hooked up to
OTA DTV.

Retailers are not crazy so in the US they don't hook up to our garbage
8-VSB while in all other countries retailers DO display OTA DTV.

Bob Miller
Bob, you are a complete ****ing asshole. Go away somewhere
and kill yourself. Leave your body for the maggots to eat.

To everyone else, sorry for my rant and Bob bashing. He brings
out the worst in me, but then again, all liars and shills do
that to me.

8-VSB works just fine. Maybe CODFM does too, but we don't use
it here in the US.

Chip

8-VSB does not work fine. It is garbage. OTA in the US is failing. No
one supports it. Even LG Industries which owns the IP rights (royalties)
has ceased making receivers here while making COFDM receivers in most
other countries.

And we DO use COFDM in the US. It is the modulation of Sirius and XM. It
is the modulation of 802.11g/a. It is the modulation of most wireless
systems today.

COFDM is used by ALL those who have bid on and will use the TV channels
that have been auctioned so far, 54, 55 and 59 and will be the
modulation used for all channels to be auctioned, 52, 53, 56, 57 and 58
next January.

COFDM will be used by early responders on channels 60 and above. Never
heard of anything that was critical using 8-VSB have you?

COFDM will also be the modulation used on channels below 51 after the
transition is deemed a complete failure in the next few years and
Congress proceeds to reclaim this spectrum for better purposes.

COFDM is use for transmitting the HDTV signal from those news
helicopters back to the studio and for the wireless studio cameras in
those studios.

The only place that COFDM is not used is in the broadcast itself for
channels below 51 at the present. That is also the only place that is in
need of a government mandate to hide its total failure.

It is simple, 8-VSB is garbage and an utter failure.

Bob Miller

How about wake up first, then kill yourself. You are an idiot.
Now you are comparing satellite signals in CODFM to ota 8-VSB!
What a complete moron you are! Just because you lost in your
blind ambition to get CODFM as the modulation scheme in the
US, you come here and whine and complain about how bad 8-VSB is.
What a little baby you are. You lost Bob, get over it. How much
money did you lose, anyway? 8-VSB is here to stay. Don't listen
to him folks, he is delusional.

Chip

Ah the one area of broadcast that doesn't need the benefits of COFDM,
satellite broadcast. Sirius and XM use COFDM for their terrestrial
broadcast. The one they need so that people can receive their
"satellite" signal in or near cities.

Unfortunately for those trying to receive channels 2-51 Congress and the
FCC didn't think you would need what any sane businessperson thinks is
necessary, the best modulation for terrestrial broadcast they can get.

NO business related entity in the world had chosen 8-VSB for anything.
Only governments controlled by special interest have been able to ramrod
8-VSB down the throats of their citizens. Mexico, S. Korea and the US.

Very poor company.

Bob Miller