Moon proves the green house effect is b*llocks

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:11:13 +0100, Doh wrote:

Lord Turkey Cough wrote:
"Doh" wrote in message
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Lord Turkey Cough wrote:
Guess what the temperature on the moon is (same distance from the Sun
as Earth. Very cold you will wisely say because it has no atmosphere
to keep it warm llike the earth with it's lovely greehouse gases.
So you would expet it to be about -30C would you not? Guess what it
can get to over 100C there.
What temperature is it on the dark side?

The same as the dark side of the earth if it did not rotate so fast!!

Ah-ha - proved your ignorance - there is no dark side of the moon!



I think Pink Floyd may disagree with you :-)

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Cynic wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:11:13 +0100, Doh wrote:

The same as the dark side of the earth if it did not rotate so fast!!

Ah-ha - proved your ignorance - there is no dark side of the moon!

Yes, of course there is, just as there is a light and a dark side of
the Earth.

But not permenently dark, as OP seems to think

"Doh" wrote in message
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Cynic wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:11:13 +0100, Doh wrote:

The same as the dark side of the earth if it did not rotate so fast!!

Ah-ha - proved your ignorance - there is no dark side of the moon!

Yes, of course there is, just as there is a light and a dark side of
the Earth.

But not permenently dark, as OP seems to think

No thats what your thought I thought.
Slight difference.

On Jun 14, 10:28 am, "Irish Mike" wrote:
I think the whole "global warming" hysteria is a crock of ****.

For those of us who are not global warming experts, whose opinions on
global warming deserve respect? Irish Mike and his talk radio fools?
Or ... scientists? Hmmm .. Irish Mike ... or scientists? Tough call?
I think I'll go with the scientists.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) -- "Human
activities ... are modifying the concentration of atmospheric
constituents ... that absorb or scatter radiant energy. ... [M]ost of
the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been due
to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations."

The U.S. National Academy of Sciences -- "Greenhouse gases are
accumulating in Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities,
causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to
rise.... The IPCC's conclusion that most of the observed warming of
the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in
greenhouse gas concentrations accurately reflects the current thinking
of the scientific community on this issue."

The American Meteorological Society -- "Human activities have become a
major source of environmental change. Of great urgency are the climate
consequences of the increasing atmospheric abundance of greenhouse
gases.... Because greenhouse gases continue to increase, we are, in
effect, conducting a global climate experiment, neither planned nor
controlled, the results of which may present unprecedented challenges
to our wisdom and foresight as well as have significant impacts on our
natural and societal systems."

The American Geophysical Union, in a statement endorsed by the
American Institute of Physics and the American Astronomical Society --
"Human activities are increasingly altering the Earth's climate. These
effects add to natural influences that have been present over Earth's
history. Scientific evidence strongly indicates that natural
influences cannot explain the rapid increase in global near-surface
temperatures observed during the second half of the 20th century....
Moreover, research indicates that increased levels of carbon dioxide
will remain in the atmosphere for hundreds to thousands of years. It
is virtually certain that increasing atmospheric concentrations of
carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases will cause global surface
climate to be warmer."

The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) --
"Unless the world curbs growing CO2 output, concentrations in the air
are likely to double from pre-industrial levels by 2080, and may warm
the world by 3oC."

The U.S. National Research Council -- "Human-induced warming and
associated sea level rises are expected to continue through the 21st
century... The IPCC's conclusion that most of the observed warming of
the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in
greenhouse gas concentrations accurately reflects the current thinking
of the scientific community on this issue."

The Geological Society of London -- "We find that the evidence for
human-induced climate change is now persuasive, and the need for
direct action compelling."

The Geological Society of America -- "The Geological Society of
America (GSA) supports the scientific conclusions that Earth's climate
is changing; the climate changes are due in part to human activities;
and the probable consequences of the climate changes will be
significant and blind to geopolitical boundaries. Furthermore, the
potential implications of global climate change and the time scale
over which such changes will likely occur require active, effective,
long-term planning."

The American Chemical Society -- "The overwhelming balance of evidence
indicates that reducing greenhouse gas emissions is the prudent and
responsible course of action at this time."

The American Quaternary Association -- "Few credible scientists now
doubt that humans have influenced the documented rise in global
temperatures since the Industrial Revolution. The first government-led
U.S. Climate Change Science Program synthesis and assessment report
supports the growing body of evidence that warming of the atmosphere,
especially over the past 50 years, is directly impacted by human
activity."

The national science academies of all the G8 nations -- "Climate
change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a
system as complex as the world's climate. However there is now strong
evidence that significant global warming is occurring.... The
scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear
to justify nations taking prompt action."

"Ivan" wrote:

I have to say that if the problem is a serious as we are told one would have
to ask why is aviation fuel not taxed at anywhere near the same rate as
domestic fuel, also why is the government not applying any kind of
disincentive on airports in an attempt stop them expanding, thus enabling
them to carry millions of extra passengers a year.


Perhaps because of the tiny proportion of human co2 emissions that
aircraft actually cause?

http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...cle2539349.ece

In any case, stopping airport expansion would mean the newer
super jumbo sized and therefore more efficient per passenger
mile aircraft would not get developed and used. Extra passengers
does not have to mean extra emissions.

Only yesterday I read that within the next few years Richard Branson
actually intends kicking off a whole new industry, transporting thrill
seekers (with apparently too much money) into the edge of space.. which no
doubt means that instead of any kind of condemnation he will probably be
made a lord.

Only yesterday? Don't read much then?

Also AEDS Astrium http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6749873.stm

Any space tourism really will be a drop in the ocean as far as CO2
is concerned!

dom.

On Jun 13, 4:53 pm, "Lord Turkey Cough" wrote:


OK then little Einstein why is the moon hotter than the Earth when the
scientists
predict it should be colder, having no CO2 and all? Eh?

It's OK for you to mock me but when you have nothing to back
up your claims you just begin to look like some kind of mindless fool.





Have a look at our future when the wingnuts who deny science and
distrust education.

Not a pretty sight is it?

On Jun 14, 10:28 am, "Irish Mike" wrote:

I think the whole "global warming" hysteria is a crock of ****



Ladies and Gentlemen....Noted climatologist Irish Reich

On Jun 14, 10:28 am, "Irish Mike" wrote:

I listened to a recent radio show
interviewing a group of scientists who pretty much said the whole CO2 scare
is bull ****.



I bet those "scientists" were oil industry shills. My odds increase
significantly just knowing its a radio show to which you'd be likely
to listen.

"Another Problem Solved By R.G.P." wrote in message
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On Jun 14, 10:28 am, "Irish Mike" wrote:
I think the whole "global warming" hysteria is a crock of ****.

For those of us who are not global warming experts, whose opinions on
global warming deserve respect? Irish Mike and his talk radio fools?
Or ... scientists? Hmmm .. Irish Mike ... or scientists? Tough call?
I think I'll go with the scientists.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) -- "Human
activities ... are modifying the concentration of atmospheric
constituents ... that absorb or scatter radiant energy. ... [M]ost of
the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been due
to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations."

The U.S. National Academy of Sciences -- "Greenhouse gases are
accumulating in Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities,
causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to
rise.... The IPCC's conclusion that most of the observed warming of
the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in
greenhouse gas concentrations accurately reflects the current thinking
of the scientific community on this issue."

The American Meteorological Society -- "Human activities have become a
major source of environmental change. Of great urgency are the climate
consequences of the increasing atmospheric abundance of greenhouse
gases.... Because greenhouse gases continue to increase, we are, in
effect, conducting a global climate experiment, neither planned nor
controlled, the results of which may present unprecedented challenges
to our wisdom and foresight as well as have significant impacts on our
natural and societal systems."

The American Geophysical Union, in a statement endorsed by the
American Institute of Physics and the American Astronomical Society --
"Human activities are increasingly altering the Earth's climate. These
effects add to natural influences that have been present over Earth's
history. Scientific evidence strongly indicates that natural
influences cannot explain the rapid increase in global near-surface
temperatures observed during the second half of the 20th century....
Moreover, research indicates that increased levels of carbon dioxide
will remain in the atmosphere for hundreds to thousands of years. It
is virtually certain that increasing atmospheric concentrations of
carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases will cause global surface
climate to be warmer."

The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) --
"Unless the world curbs growing CO2 output, concentrations in the air
are likely to double from pre-industrial levels by 2080, and may warm
the world by 3oC."

The U.S. National Research Council -- "Human-induced warming and
associated sea level rises are expected to continue through the 21st
century... The IPCC's conclusion that most of the observed warming of
the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in
greenhouse gas concentrations accurately reflects the current thinking
of the scientific community on this issue."

The Geological Society of London -- "We find that the evidence for
human-induced climate change is now persuasive, and the need for
direct action compelling."

The Geological Society of America -- "The Geological Society of
America (GSA) supports the scientific conclusions that Earth's climate
is changing; the climate changes are due in part to human activities;
and the probable consequences of the climate changes will be
significant and blind to geopolitical boundaries. Furthermore, the
potential implications of global climate change and the time scale
over which such changes will likely occur require active, effective,
long-term planning."

The American Chemical Society -- "The overwhelming balance of evidence
indicates that reducing greenhouse gas emissions is the prudent and
responsible course of action at this time."

The American Quaternary Association -- "Few credible scientists now
doubt that humans have influenced the documented rise in global
temperatures since the Industrial Revolution. The first government-led
U.S. Climate Change Science Program synthesis and assessment report
supports the growing body of evidence that warming of the atmosphere,
especially over the past 50 years, is directly impacted by human
activity."

The national science academies of all the G8 nations -- "Climate
change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a
system as complex as the world's climate. However there is now strong
evidence that significant global warming is occurring.... The
scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear
to justify nations taking prompt action."


"*likely* to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas"

In other words they have no evidence whatsoever to prove it.

I

Lord Turkey Cough wrote:
"*likely* to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas"

In other words they have no evidence whatsoever to prove it.

There is no such thing as proof in any empirical science, dimbulb. That is
found only in mathematics, and not always there, either. So in science, all
we can ever have is supporting evidence. I believe the "likely" quote was
from the IPCC third assessment. In the fourth assessment, that is
strengthened to "very likely", meaning that the level of confidence is
between 90 and 95%. That means it is time to act.