Moon proves the green house effect is b*llocks

Lord Turkey Cough wrote:
Guess what the temperature on the moon is (same distance
from the Sun as Earth. Very cold you will wisely say because it
has no atmosphere to keep it warm llike the earth with it's
lovely greehouse gases.
So you would expet it to be about -30C would you not?
Guess what it can get to over 100C there.


PROOF THE GREENHOUSE GAS (CO2) THEORY IS WRONG.

A MYTH EXPOSED BY LORD TURKEY HIMSELF AND

HIS MASSIVE BRAIN.



Troll.

"Lord Turkey Cough" wrote in message
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"Lord Turkey Cough" wrote in message
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Guess what the temperature on the moon is (same distance
from the Sun as Earth. Very cold you will wisely say because it
has no atmosphere to keep it warm llike the earth with it's
lovely greehouse gases.
So you would expet it to be about -30C would you not?
Guess what it can get to over 100C there.


PROOF THE GREENHOUSE GAS (CO2) THEORY IS WRONG.

A MYTH EXPOSED BY LORD TURKEY HIMSELF AND

HIS MASSIVE BRAIN.




I hate replying to this kind of stuff, but the fallacy here is pretty
obvious even to people who make these claims, once it's pointed out.

The temperature in question is the temperature of the atmosphere. That's
what you get on weather reports and that's what 'climate' refers to the
patterns of. The temperature of a gas is fairly intuitive under every-day
conditions, but the atmosphere of the moon is very different from what we're
used to. I could get technical as all get-out, but the most intuitive
concept of the right temperature to measure is the one that would be
measured under a double awnng that is large compared to the average
distance molecules in the gas travel between collisions (that's a
microscopic distance on the earth's surface, but molecules in the moon's
atmosphere essentially never collide with each other), averaged over a time
that's large compared with the average time between collisions of the
gas molecules with each other (again, smaller than human senses can handle
on the earth's surface, but at least seconds on the moon's surface). So
the temperature you'd need to even start this comparison is the temperature
measured under an enormous double awning on the moon's surface, allowing
the thermometer a few days to settle on its reading. It would compare to
the temperature measured on the surface of the earth in any kind of shade
after a few minutes for the measurement to stabilize. Rather than
messing with all this, I greatly prefer to say that the concept of
atmospheric temperature doesn't apply to the surface of the moon.

Nobody is claiming that atmospheric carbon dioxide presently affects the
temperature of a rock in the sun on the Earth's surface, so looking at the
temperature of a rock in the sun on the moon's surface is beside the
point.

"Pyriform" wrote in message
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Lord Turkey Cough wrote:
Lord Turkey, contrary to his own delusions, is a Microcephalic
****wit with no understanding of physics. Actually you can use that
name for your next incarnation. I won't even charge for the branding
exercise.

Ahhh thanks for that however I notice you nave not replied this
previous discussion below, I expect you are too embarassed to, having
made a complete and utter fool of ourself. At least you showed good
judgement there, not wanting to show yourself up as a fool but I
think you need timely reminder

I think you may have misunderstood the nature of our relationship. You, as
the group idiot, frequently post nonsense illustrating your complete lack
of understanding in a variety of different areas. *When I feel like it*, I
post replies pointing out your stupidity. I do this for my own amusement,
and perhaps that of others in the group. We aren't having a conversation!
Nor am I contractually obligated to point out *all* your errors. I have a
life.

I doubt that.


Still, it would be a shame to miss out your latest effort:

"Pyriform" wrote:
Lord Turkey Cough wrote:
Of course public transport use more CO2 not less, as buses make
the return journey virtually empty.

I had no idea there were CO2 powered buses. Do they use soda-syphon
engines?

Well you are just thick. Thats all. Every knows an ICE is powered by
CO2 Here is a page to explain it to you.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/ks3bite..._react_7.shtml

So you have managed to read that kids' page (or perhaps you had it read to
you), and still believe that an Internal Combustion Engine is *powered by*
CO2. Astonishing. I expect you settle down to 3 square meals a day of your
own excrement!

Lord Turkey Cough wrote:
"Doh" wrote in message
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Lord Turkey Cough wrote:
Guess what the temperature on the moon is (same distance
from the Sun as Earth. Very cold you will wisely say because it
has no atmosphere to keep it warm llike the earth with it's
lovely greehouse gases.
So you would expet it to be about -30C would you not?
Guess what it can get to over 100C there.
What temperature is it on the dark side?

The same as the dark side of the earth if it did not rotate so fast!!

Ah-ha - proved your ignorance - there is no dark side of the moon!




PROOF THE GREENHOUSE GAS (CO2) THEORY IS WRONG.

A MYTH EXPOSED BY LORD TURKEY HIMSELF AND

HIS MASSIVE BRAIN.

"Scott" wrote in message
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Lord Turkey Cough wrote:
Guess what the temperature on the moon is (same distance
from the Sun as Earth. Very cold you will wisely say because it
has no atmosphere to keep it warm llike the earth with it's
lovely greehouse gases.
So you would expet it to be about -30C would you not?
Guess what it can get to over 100C there.


PROOF THE GREENHOUSE GAS (CO2) THEORY IS WRONG.

A MYTH EXPOSED BY LORD TURKEY HIMSELF AND

HIS MASSIVE BRAIN.

Troll.


Hey say something, don't just sign your name. Is you other
name idiot by the way?

"Pyriform" wrote in message
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Pete wrote:
Global warming, yes, natural progression - it's been happening for
thousands of years. Well before we had cars and coal fired power
stations.

You think the planet has been getting warmer for thousands of years? And
you have the instrumental records and paleoclimatic temperature
reconstructions to prove that, do you?

Or are you in fact talking out of your arse?




I expect you didn't notice the glaciers which cover the UK
melting. I expect you were to busy sounding stupid.

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:47:57 -0400, "Stephen Jacobs"
wrote:

Nobody is claiming that atmospheric carbon dioxide presently affects the
temperature of a rock in the sun on the Earth's surface

The carbon dioxide and all the other gasses in the atmosphere affect
the temperature of a rock in the Sun. They act to convect the heat
away from the rock. The same rock in a vacuum would become hotter.

--
Cynic

In article ,
says...
Lord Turkey Cough wrote:
"Doh" wrote in message
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Lord Turkey Cough wrote:
Guess what the temperature on the moon is (same distance
from the Sun as Earth. Very cold you will wisely say because it
has no atmosphere to keep it warm llike the earth with it's
lovely greehouse gases.
So you would expet it to be about -30C would you not?
Guess what it can get to over 100C there.
What temperature is it on the dark side?

The same as the dark side of the earth if it did not rotate so fast!!

Ah-ha - proved your ignorance - there is no dark side of the moon!


Matter of fact, it's all dark...

--
Halmyre

"Stephen Jacobs" wrote in message
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"Lord Turkey Cough" wrote in message
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"Lord Turkey Cough" wrote in message
...
Guess what the temperature on the moon is (same distance
from the Sun as Earth. Very cold you will wisely say because it
has no atmosphere to keep it warm llike the earth with it's
lovely greehouse gases.
So you would expet it to be about -30C would you not?
Guess what it can get to over 100C there.


PROOF THE GREENHOUSE GAS (CO2) THEORY IS WRONG.

A MYTH EXPOSED BY LORD TURKEY HIMSELF AND

HIS MASSIVE BRAIN.




I hate replying to this kind of stuff, but the fallacy here is pretty
obvious even to people who make these claims, once it's pointed out.

The temperature in question is the temperature of the atmosphere. That's
what you get on weather reports and that's what 'climate' refers to the
patterns of. The temperature of a gas is fairly intuitive under
every-day conditions, but the atmosphere of the moon is very different
from what we're used to. I could get technical as all get-out, but the
most intuitive concept of the right temperature to measure is the one that
would be measured under a double awnng that is large compared to the
average distance molecules in the gas travel between collisions (that's a
microscopic distance on the earth's surface, but molecules in the moon's
atmosphere essentially never collide with each other), averaged over a
time that's large compared with the average time between collisions of
the gas molecules with each other (again, smaller than human senses can
handle on the earth's surface, but at least seconds on the moon's
surface). So the temperature you'd need to even start this comparison is
the temperature measured under an enormous double awning on the moon's
surface, allowing the thermometer a few days to settle on its reading.
It would compare to the temperature measured on the surface of the earth
in any kind of shade after a few minutes for the measurement to
stabilize. Rather than messing with all this, I greatly prefer to say
that the concept of atmospheric temperature doesn't apply to the surface
of the moon.

Nobody is claiming that atmospheric carbon dioxide presently affects the
temperature of a rock in the sun on the Earth's surface, so looking at the
temperature of a rock in the sun on the moon's surface is beside the
point.

Err.......We are talkng about the surface tremperature
You can measure it with a themometer (heat meter)

"Cynic" wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:47:57 -0400, "Stephen Jacobs"
wrote:

Nobody is claiming that atmospheric carbon dioxide presently affects the
temperature of a rock in the sun on the Earth's surface

The carbon dioxide and all the other gasses in the atmosphere affect
the temperature of a rock in the Sun. They act to convect the heat
away from the rock. The same rock in a vacuum would become hotter.

No it would be the same.



--
Cynic