I am such a dick!

In article , Rob
writes

"Phil Cook" wrote in message
.. .
Dave wrote:

I don't think cars should be allowed to be driven along city streets
spewing out noxious chemicals often only carrying one person when
there is a perfectly good alternative means of transport available.

Electric buses
We used to have them.

The councils who allow the running of diesel pumping buses should hang their
heads in shame.

There is a move away from them, the trouble is that the cost less to run
at the moment, I know that fuel is not a simple cost, but we are talking
about accountants (sorry to use such language).

--
Ian G8ILZ
There are always two people in every pictu the photographer and the viewer.
~Ansel Adams

In article , Bill Wright
writes

"Rob" wrote in message
...

"Phil Cook" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:

I don't think cars should be allowed to be driven along city streets
spewing out noxious chemicals often only carrying one person when
there is a perfectly good alternative means of transport available.

Electric buses and cars are the answer, but they seem no nearer to
becoming
popular than they did 10 years ago!

So the pollution can be generated out of the cities at the power stations,
so we can have it instead of you. Bugger that!

ER!, NO, the power stations if not using renewable full can be equipped
with effective filters whereas such filters might be too heavy for use
on a vehicle.

--
Ian G8ILZ
There are always two people in every pictu the photographer and the viewer.
~Ansel Adams

"Dom Robinson" wrote in message
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In article , says...
"Marky P" wrote in message
...
I've got into the habit of switching off all my electrical items
(excluding the fridge) at the mains every night before I go to bed.
Problem is, yesteday I set the DVDR to record something, then switched
the bugger off at the mains and went to bed!

Marky P.

That will teach you to take any notice of stupid government ******s.

That's incredibly presumptious of you, Mike, and possibly unfair by
assuming
that the government were ******s, there. How do you know it wasn't advice
given out by stupid BBC Breakfast ******s?
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Sounds to me that you work for the government.
The NuLabour scum that form the government are a load of ******s.
Regards Mike.

On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:13:41 +0100, Phil Cook
wrote:

I don't think cars should be allowed to be driven along city streets
spewing out noxious chemicals often only carrying one person when
there is a perfectly good alternative means of transport available.

What if the driver is taking an empty car to fetch people, or driving
it back home after having done so?

What if the driver needs to be able to carry several passengers, or
quantities of luggage, but not every day, and they can't afford a big
car for some days of the week and a small car for others?

Rod.

"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:13:41 +0100, Phil Cook
wrote:

I don't think cars should be allowed to be driven along city streets
spewing out noxious chemicals often only carrying one person when
there is a perfectly good alternative means of transport available.

What if the driver is taking an empty car to fetch people, or driving
it back home after having done so?

What if the driver needs to be able to carry several passengers, or
quantities of luggage, but not every day, and they can't afford a big
car for some days of the week and a small car for others?

Rod.

Or what if the driver has a physical disability (like myself). I can't walk
and rely entirely on my car for getting around. Without the car I am almost
housebound. I cannot use public transport because it does not take me door
to door.

Steve

"Rob" wrote:
"Dom Robinson" wrote in message
m...


Don't switch them off then. All those items continually warming up, then
cooling down, then warming up again, etc, won't do their lifespan a lot of
good.

Absolutely true, the thermal effect can rapidly reduce the life of
electronic equipment.

My (second hand, probably already dodgy) Sky box never
worked properly again after I switched it off when I had a
week's holiday. PC never switched on again (power
supply unit in the pc, that was). Mind you, I'll be switching
both off next time I go on hol anyway. Not for fear of
(human caused) global warming (********) by the way,
more for fear of electricity bills and fire risk.

I also use energy saving lightbulbs, and bugger the
fact that they have a horrible power factor (I do hope
that the new digital electricity meters (like what I got
now) only measure real watts!) and the fact that they're
full of mercury and electronics... And I recycle all that
I can, but that's just so my rubbish bin lasts a fortnight.

dom.

On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:33:15 +0100, "Rob"
wrote:


"Dom Robinson" wrote in message
m...


Don't switch them off then. All those items continually warming up, then
cooling down, then warming up again, etc, won't do their lifespan a lot of
good.

Absolutely true, the thermal effect can rapidly reduce the life of
electronic equipment.



Wow! That thread really got us going eh! I will not switch off any
of my appliances from the mains and see how much it affects the leccy
bill.

Marky P.

The message
from Dominic contains these words:

"Rob" wrote:
"Dom Robinson" wrote in message
m...


Don't switch them off then. All those items continually warming up, then
cooling down, then warming up again, etc, won't do their lifespan a
lot of
good.

Absolutely true, the thermal effect can rapidly reduce the life of
electronic equipment.

My (second hand, probably already dodgy) Sky box never
worked properly again after I switched it off when I had a
week's holiday. PC never switched on again (power
supply unit in the pc, that was). Mind you, I'll be switching
both off next time I go on hol anyway. Not for fear of
(human caused) global warming (********) by the way,
more for fear of electricity bills and fire risk.

I also use energy saving lightbulbs, and bugger the
fact that they have a horrible power factor

Only the first generation CFLs limited to 20 watts max to take
advantage of the regs pertaining to domestic use permitting such loads
to be without a PF correction capacitor would present such a problem.

The reason you never saw such CFLs rated any higher than 18 watts was
to guarantee that it would keep below the twenty watt limit even at the
highest permitted supply voltage and worst case manufacturing
tolerances.

The more modern electronically ballasted lightweight CFLs have a PF of
nearly unity even if the commutating effect of the full wave rectifier
on the current is to produce narrow (but still in-phase) conduction
angles. The conduction angle would be even narrower except for the fact
that our so called 50Hz 'Sinewave' mains supply is quite grossly
distorted with the peaks being rather flatter than a real sinewave.

(I do hope
that the new digital electricity meters (like what I got
now) only measure real watts!)

They do. To do otherwise would be a serious breach of the regs.

and the fact that they're
full of mercury and electronics... And I recycle all that
I can, but that's just so my rubbish bin lasts a fortnight.

dom.

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"Mike GW8IJT" wrote in message
...
"Dom Robinson" wrote in message
...
In article , says...
"Marky P" wrote in message
...
I've got into the habit of switching off all my electrical items
(excluding the fridge) at the mains every night before I go to bed.
Problem is, yesteday I set the DVDR to record something, then switched
the bugger off at the mains and went to bed!

Marky P.

That will teach you to take any notice of stupid government ******s.

That's incredibly presumptious of you, Mike, and possibly unfair by
assuming
that the government were ******s, there. How do you know it wasn't advice
given out by stupid BBC Breakfast ******s?
--

Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot
uk
/* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor)
/* 1132 DVDs, 347 games, 314 CDs, 110 cinema films, 42 concerts, videos &
news
/* antibodies, steve hillage, burning crusade, sega psp, norah jones,
kylie
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Sounds to me that you work for the government.
The NuLabour scum that form the government are a load of ******s.
Regards Mike.


So what differentiates you from them? I wave no particular political flag,
but I do (really do) think that those in authority in this country are -
mostly - capable and intelligent, regardless of political colour. The hoops
that they have to jump through and the qualifications they need to get these
jobs see to that. Whilst we may not always agree with the WAY that things
are done, at the end of the day most of us have no real inkling of the
detail of any of these issues, nor are we intellectually equipped to tackle
them and to suggest that we know better is arrogance in the extreme. The
truth is that most of us, given the opportunity, would not know where to
start and if we tried we would surely **** it up big time. As a nation of
knockers (of everything) about the only thing that sidelined and inadequate
pundits are good for is to continually denigrate the nation's efforts and
thus damage all of our prospects. Seems to me that those that criticise
without having given it a go and who are - mostly - less well qualified to
do the job than those that have taken it on are the REAL ******s around
here.

Johnny B Good wrote:
The message
from Dominic contains these words:
I also use energy saving lightbulbs, and bugger the
fact that they have a horrible power factor

Only the first generation CFLs limited to 20 watts max to take
advantage of the regs pertaining to domestic use permitting such loads
to be without a PF correction capacitor would present such a problem.

The reason you never saw such CFLs rated any higher than 18 watts was
to guarantee that it would keep below the twenty watt limit even at the
highest permitted supply voltage and worst case manufacturing
tolerances.

The more modern electronically ballasted lightweight CFLs have a PF of
nearly unity even if the commutating effect of the full wave rectifier
on the current is to produce narrow (but still in-phase) conduction
angles. The conduction angle would be even narrower except for the fact
that our so called 50Hz 'Sinewave' mains supply is quite grossly
distorted with the peaks being rather flatter than a real sinewave.


Fair enough then. I still wonder if the manufacturing costs of CFLs
outweighs the power savings; assuming that you replace them
when they get annoyingly dim which I suspect is rather sooner
than the '8 years' life quoted on the box...

I suppose with the number of non-linear loads on the mains
(transformers/bridge rectifiers and switch mode supplies) it
might be surprising if the mains stayed a perfect sine wave. I've
not recently connected a suitable scope input to the mains...
always assumed the nasty mains cycle shape you see (by
touching a scope probe, for example) was due to poor coupling
of the waveform through my body into the scope.

Must try a toy energy meter (like
http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/Electrica...sp?sku=PL09564
) and check out some of the appliances (and light bulbs!) at home.

dom.