Ireland

ThePunisher


The Punisher eh?......smashing kneecaps with a baseball bat or blowing them
off with a sawn-off?

The Punisher - that figures in the Crock of Golden ****e that is Northern
Ireland.

On Tue, 29 May 2007 20:19:14 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote:

buddenbrooks wrote:

As long as you take into account that the Curragh one is military
(probably), illegal to take photos.

Why would it be military, or at least any more or less than any other mast.
AIUI Curragh is in Co. Galway, well away from the border area ?

The "Curragh Camp", in Co. Kildare, is the site of an Irish Army
base and military college. It is also the location of a racecourse,
villages, etc.

Brief Wikipedia entries:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Curragh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curragh_Camp



--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.possessive.its.has.no.apostrophe)

On Tue, 29 May 2007 15:32:46 +0100, "Norbert Wittgenfeld"
wrote:



Bill,
Are we talking Eire here or Northern Ireland as well.They are very
cheerful in Northern Ireland just now with the peace agreement and all and
Ian Paisley and Gerry Adams laughing and joking together.

And well they might ..what Messrs Blair and Brown did not announce was that
the UK Treasury has decided to "invest" £56,000,000,000 (£56 billion) of
what is in fact English taxpayers money into economic development for
Northern Ireland over the next 5 years.

That figure of 56 billion pounds refers to total public expenditure
by government in NI. Local politicians and economists examined the
56B figure very carefully and discovered that it was simply the
existing planned expenditure on all public services in NI. The
figure was spun by central government to give the impression that
itr was additional money. This was "misleading" (an alternative
spelling of "dishonest").

The Treasury rakes in taxes(income, VAT, etc) from the whole of the
UK (England, Northern Ireland, and Scotland)and then allocates it to
the various spending departments.

56B is NI's allocation from that total. The 2007 budget figures for
the UK as a whole are given at:
http://budget2007.treasury.gov.uk/page_09.htm

Total public spending is expected to be around £587 billion for
the coming year, around £9,650 for every man, woman and child in
the UK. It is set to rise to £615 billion in 2008-09, £644
billion in 2009-10 and £674 billion in 2010-11.

This is a lot of money for the
province where the population is just about 1,500,000 and where there is no
vitually no manufacturing industry and about 85% of the working population
are employed by national and local government.

Those figures are out of date.

The population (excluding migrants) was estimated by the government
to be 1,724,408 in mid-2005.

The whole of the UK now has virtually no manufacturing industry.
Service industries are growing and growing.

I don't know the current figures for people employed by local and
national government.

No wonder they are all smiles - laughing behind their hands at the mugs over
the water.Another great governmental triumph for Nu Labour.


--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.possessive.its.has.no.apostrophe)

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Following my recent expedition to Ireland I have placed a series of
pictures
of Irish TV aerials and transmitters on

http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...%201/?start=40

I would welcome comments and information appertaining to these pics, with
a
view to sticking them on the website in due course.

Bill

Am I correct that Ireland uses mixed VHF and UHF? If so, I wonder why there
are none of the "mixed" UHF/VMF antenna that are common in the US.

Next time I'm at the in-laws I'll try and get a picture of the beastie in
their loft. Interestingly it uses 300ohm balanced (?) cable and not co-ax.

Paul DS.

"Jim Mason" wrote in message
t...

Interesting that you correspondent seems to think that only the English pay
taxes.


You will note that the Scots, Welsh and N Irish have an option to withdraw
from the UK, The English are still obliged to suffer under the Scottish Yoke
without an option to vote for independance.

It was an economic decision made by the Tories in the early 1980s, with
the intention of selling off the unused Band I and III spectrum for
non-broadcast use. Until then it was assumed that the two vhf bands
would be re-engineered for System I, with the introduction of one or
more new networks.

It was not practicable to share VHF Bands 1 and 3 between 405 and 625
line TV as there was no room. The UHF network was planned for 4
networks at the outset. It would not have been practical to re-use the
frequencies released by the 405 line VHF switchoff as all existing
TV's were UHF only and thus would require new tuners to receive
programmes on VHF - this was never planned either by the government or
by the manufacturers.
On a semi-related note - does anyone know why the Irish chose
system I when they started their own TV service on 625 lines - this
was in 1961? and thus pre-dated the start of BBC2 in B/W and the later
PAL colour standard. Was this a conscious decision reached with the
BBC as most of Europe was using VHF System B at the time.

AnnieslandJohn wrote:

[snip]

On a semi-related note - does anyone know why the Irish chose
system I when they started their own TV service on 625 lines - this
was in 1961? and thus pre-dated the start of BBC2 in B/W and the later
PAL colour standard. Was this a conscious decision reached with the
BBC as most of Europe was using VHF System B at the time.

It's a very good question.

A clue might be that the same year (1961), the Stockholm Agreement was signed.
This AIUI formed the planning template for UHF TV transmission across Europe.
Perhaps it was part of that where RTE, BBC, and ITA all decided to employ
System I for UHF ?

Remember also that RTE TV was on 405 lines in areas of Eire that could receive
UK transmissions, the reason being that many 405 line sets were already in use.


--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

In article .com,
AnnieslandJohn wrote:
It was an economic decision made by the Tories in the early 1980s, with
the intention of selling off the unused Band I and III spectrum for
non-broadcast use. Until then it was assumed that the two vhf bands
would be re-engineered for System I, with the introduction of one or
more new networks.

It was not practicable to share VHF Bands 1 and 3 between 405 and 625
line TV as there was no room. The UHF network was planned for 4
networks at the outset.

Absolutely true. But some people realised that 4 channels might not be
enough. (as it turned out). The BBC did a lot of planning work which
showed that one additional 625 network could be fitted into Bands 1 & 3,
with room for local area stations as well.

It would not have been practical to re-use the frequencies released by
the 405 line VHF switchoff as all existing TV's were UHF only and thus
would require new tuners to receive programmes on VHF - this was never
planned either by the government or by the manufacturers.

Since every other European country used bands 1, 3, 4 & 5. the tuners were
widely available. If sufficient notice had been given all the 625 only
sets could have had all-band tuners. Certainly the Decca "pro" tuners were
fitted with them. As did Grundig sets; there might well have been others.

On a semi-related note - does anyone know why the Irish chose
system I when they started their own TV service on 625 lines - this
was in 1961? and thus pre-dated the start of BBC2 in B/W and the later
PAL colour standard. Was this a conscious decision reached with the
BBC as most of Europe was using VHF System B at the time.

The Irish government realised that a great many of their nationals went to
great lengths to get BBC programmes. (The Irish tv licence predated the
Irish tv service by a number of years) They did not want to force people
to have 2 sets. They also wanted their signals to be receivable in NI. So,
they adopted the system that would be used by the UK.

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Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

Norbert Wittgenfeld wrote:
ThePunisher


The Punisher eh?......smashing kneecaps with a baseball bat or
blowing them off with a sawn-off?

The Punisher - that figures in the Crock of Golden ****e that is
Northern Ireland.

Great comeback 'Norbert' you ****ing gimp clown.

--
ThePunisher

On May 30, 8:36 pm, charles wrote:

The Irish government realised that a great many of their nationals went to
great lengths to get BBC programmes. (The Irish tv licence predated the
Irish tv service by a number of years) They did not want to force people
to have 2 sets. They also wanted their signals to be receivable in NI. So,
they adopted the system that would be used by the UK.

Why did the UK opt for a 6 MHz audio subcarrier, while most of the
rest of Europe went for 5.5 MHz.
Was it an attempt to reduce imported TV sets ?