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Old May 20th 07, 02:58 AM posted to alt.home-theater.misc
Dave C.[_2_]
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I have a Sony DAV-FX500 and it is working very well. The speaker leads to
the three front speakers each are at least 25 feet long but looks like they
are a #22 wire size. (The one to the sub-woofer is size 16.)

I can't figure why they use #22 wire for the front speakers except #22 is
cheaper than #16 (go figure)!

The three front speakers are each less than 6 feet from the reciever.

Before I replace them with #16 or #18 wire cut to length, an unlikely remote
thought comes to my mind that the #22 wire at about 25 feet provides some
needed resistance in the speaker circuit, maybe damping value. Does this
thought make any sense?

Doesn't it make the most sense to use a larger size wire for speaker hookup?
Speaker inpedence is 4 ohms.

Thanks, Dave C.






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Old May 20th 07, 03:50 PM posted to alt.home-theater.misc
Crabman
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Dave C. wrote:
I have a Sony DAV-FX500 and it is working very well. The speaker leads to
the three front speakers each are at least 25 feet long but looks like they
are a #22 wire size. (The one to the sub-woofer is size 16.)

I can't figure why they use #22 wire for the front speakers except #22 is
cheaper than #16 (go figure)!

The three front speakers are each less than 6 feet from the reciever.

Before I replace them with #16 or #18 wire cut to length, an unlikely remote
thought comes to my mind that the #22 wire at about 25 feet provides some
needed resistance in the speaker circuit, maybe damping value. Does this
thought make any sense?

Doesn't it make the most sense to use a larger size wire for speaker hookup?
Speaker inpedence is 4 ohms.

Thanks, Dave C.






Over that distance those leads are absolutely fine for most power
outputs. The only real reason to go bigger is for safely getting the
signal to the speakers. Unless you like the look of fat wires.
If you start to get really long leads you can go bigger if you like. In
actual tests no one can hear differences in wires no matter what they say.

Clay
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Old May 20th 07, 06:23 PM posted to alt.home-theater.misc
Dave C.[_2_]
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"Crabman" wrote in message
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Dave C. wrote:
I have a Sony DAV-FX500 and it is working very well. The speaker leads
to the three front speakers each are at least 25 feet long but looks like
they are a #22 wire size. (The one to the sub-woofer is size 16.)

Doesn't it make the most sense to use a larger size wire for speaker
hookup? Speaker inpedence is 4 ohms.

Thanks, Dave C.


Over that distance those leads are absolutely fine for most power outputs.
The only real reason to go bigger is for safely getting the signal to the
speakers. Unless you like the look of fat wires.
If you start to get really long leads you can go bigger if you like. In
actual tests no one can hear differences in wires no matter what they say.

Clay


Thanks, Clay. The levels at which we listen are not high, and this system
is in a modest room not as a "Major Home Theater" environment. I am very
satisfied with the system and the sound. I'll keep it the way it is.

I checked the manual, and it does not say anything about the leads at all.

Regards, Dave C.


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Old May 21st 07, 12:38 AM posted to alt.home-theater.misc
Phisherman
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 20:58:16 -0400, "Dave C."
wrote:

I have a Sony DAV-FX500 and it is working very well. The speaker leads to
the three front speakers each are at least 25 feet long but looks like they
are a #22 wire size. (The one to the sub-woofer is size 16.)

I can't figure why they use #22 wire for the front speakers except #22 is
cheaper than #16 (go figure)!

The three front speakers are each less than 6 feet from the reciever.

Before I replace them with #16 or #18 wire cut to length, an unlikely remote
thought comes to my mind that the #22 wire at about 25 feet provides some
needed resistance in the speaker circuit, maybe damping value. Does this
thought make any sense?

Doesn't it make the most sense to use a larger size wire for speaker hookup?
Speaker inpedence is 4 ohms.

Thanks, Dave C.



Probably doesn't make much difference. I use #14 which is overkill,
but I got a large spool for cheap.
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Old May 21st 07, 01:08 AM posted to alt.home-theater.misc
Dave C.[_2_]
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"Phisherman" wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 20:58:16 -0400, "Dave C."
wrote:

I have a Sony DAV-FX500 and it is working very well. The speaker leads to
the three front speakers each are at least 25 feet long but looks like
they
are a #22 wire size. (The one to the sub-woofer is size 16.)


Thanks, Dave C.


Probably doesn't make much difference. I use #14 which is overkill,
but I got a large spool for cheap.


In the past I would normally use #18 lamp cord (zip cord).

Just curious, what is the point of using "monster" cable thet I hear about?
I guess for simple home applications, it wouldn't matter.

Thanks, Cave C.


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Old May 21st 07, 01:32 AM posted to alt.home-theater.misc
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"Dave C." wrote:
"Phisherman" wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 20:58:16 -0400, "Dave C."
wrote:

I have a Sony DAV-FX500 and it is working very well. The speaker leads
to the three front speakers each are at least 25 feet long but looks
like they
are a #22 wire size. (The one to the sub-woofer is size 16.)


Thanks, Dave C.


Probably doesn't make much difference. I use #14 which is overkill,
but I got a large spool for cheap.


In the past I would normally use #18 lamp cord (zip cord).

Just curious, what is the point of using "monster" cable thet I hear
about? I guess for simple home applications, it wouldn't matter.

Thanks, Cave C.


The point of using Monster cables is for the
retailer to make LOTS of money on you.

Chip

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Old May 21st 07, 02:15 AM posted to alt.home-theater.misc
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"Dave C." wrote in message
. ..

"Phisherman" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 19 May 2007 20:58:16 -0400, "Dave C."
wrote:

I have a Sony DAV-FX500 and it is working very well. The speaker leads
to
the three front speakers each are at least 25 feet long but looks like
they
are a #22 wire size. (The one to the sub-woofer is size 16.)


Thanks, Dave C.


Probably doesn't make much difference. I use #14 which is overkill,
but I got a large spool for cheap.


In the past I would normally use #18 lamp cord (zip cord).

Just curious, what is the point of using "monster" cable thet I hear
about? I guess for simple home applications, it wouldn't matter.


Monster Cable helps a lot...if emptying your wallet is the main concern. But
if not, lamp cord is just as good.


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Old May 21st 07, 05:43 PM posted to alt.home-theater.misc
mykey
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clay is right. small wire will work just fine over short distance.
nobody could tell the difference. the only time you need larger gauge
wire is when you are using very high power (1400 watts=14 gauge)
or very long distance(over 100 feet use larger gauge).
another way to lower the resistance is to use silver plated wire and
this would be practical when the distance exceeds 250 feet, but still
you could use a larger gauge plain copper with the same result.
many companies have been pushing huge wire (monster cable)
for a high price and its a waste of money, you gain nothing by using
it.
1000 watts is carried by 16 gauge wire with no problem up to 75 feet
and then over 75 feet with only tiny amount of loss.
no its not for damping, 22 gauge will be fine for a 100 watt power
level.
you should invest your money in better speakers, not huge wire.
no, the speaker circuit does not need added resistance from the wire.
but please note that when installing wires inside walls and attics the
wire should have the appropriate jacket and should be UL approved
to meet building codes. this type of jacket is for fire safety and
prevents
the spread of flame during a fire.
if anyone tells you to buy huge wires to improve sound quality, they
are
full of crap, unless your amp is over 1400 watts per channel.

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Old May 21st 07, 05:46 PM posted to alt.home-theater.misc
mykey
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On May 20, 5:15 pm, "Vitamin R" wrote:
"Dave C." wrote in message

. ..





"Phisherman" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 19 May 2007 20:58:16 -0400, "Dave C."
wrote:


I have a Sony DAV-FX500 and it is working very well. The speaker leads
to
the three front speakers each are at least 25 feet long but looks like
they
are a #22 wire size. (The one to the sub-woofer is size 16.)


Thanks, Dave C.


Probably doesn't make much difference. I use #14 which is overkill,
but I got a large spool for cheap.


In the past I would normally use #18 lamp cord (zip cord).


Just curious, what is the point of using "monster" cable thet I hear
about? I guess for simple home applications, it wouldn't matter.


Monster Cable helps a lot...if emptying your wallet is the main concern. But
if not, lamp cord is just as good.


monster cable is a waste of money, you are 100% correct.

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Old May 21st 07, 08:38 PM posted to alt.home-theater.misc
Dave C.[_2_]
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"mykey" wrote in message
ups.com...


clay is right. small wire will work just fine over short distance.
nobody could tell the difference. the only time you need larger gauge
wire is when you are using very high power (1400 watts=14 gauge)
or very long distance(over 100 feet use larger gauge).
another way to lower the resistance is to use silver plated wire and
this would be practical when the distance exceeds 250 feet, but still
you could use a larger gauge plain copper with the same result.
many companies have been pushing huge wire (monster cable)
for a high price and its a waste of money, you gain nothing by using
it.
1000 watts is carried by 16 gauge wire with no problem up to 75 feet
and then over 75 feet with only tiny amount of loss.
no its not for damping, 22 gauge will be fine for a 100 watt power
level.
you should invest your money in better speakers, not huge wire.
no, the speaker circuit does not need added resistance from the wire.
but please note that when installing wires inside walls and attics the
wire should have the appropriate jacket and should be UL approved
to meet building codes. this type of jacket is for fire safety and
prevents
the spread of flame during a fire.
if anyone tells you to buy huge wires to improve sound quality, they
are
full of crap, unless your amp is over 1400 watts per channel.

My wiring is through the wall for the three front speakers, and the woofer
and two rear speakers go down through the floor, along the cellar ceiling,
and up to the speaker locations through he floor.

Great information, dispells the rumors about big wire. With my system, 100
watts+ per speaker, woofer about 250 watts, it sounds excellent with the
existing wire. Very revealing about speaker wire myths.

Dave C.


 




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