HD Antenna and Home owners association issues

"NadCixelsyd" wrote in message
oups.com...
In my area, all the HD is UHF. A UHF-only antenna is not quite as
offensive as a big VHF antenna. See how your reception is with a
double-bow (Antenna's direct, DB2) or a 4-bow (CM 3021, my favorite)
or a cute little Yagi. See if these offends your homeowners
association.

This begs the question: are there any satellite dishes on roofs?
What is the HOA's position on these?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Excellent point! especially since the grumblers apparently not even within
eyesight! If you want to get pi**ed off about an antenna, wait until the
vacant lot next door becomes a cell phone tower.

--
All the Best,
Richard Harison
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Since you received the blessing of your immediate neighbors, you might
want to pass that information along to the board. If you can't find
out who complained, you might want to find out how many complained.
If it's one person who's being a jerk, ask what it would to do apease
them.

Excellent point! especially since the grumblers apparently not even within
eyesight! If you want to get pi**ed off about an antenna, wait until the
vacant lot next door becomes a cell phone tower.

--
All the Best,
Richard Harison

I read all the other comments up to now and just want to add that I went
through the same thing with my HOA. FCC has a file on my complaint. There
are items that you must be aware of which would give a ruling in favor of
the HOA. Like, safety hazards. I had to move my antenna because if it were
to fall, it would fall into neighbors yard. Other than that I had no
problem.

HOA decided to drop the complaint against me after long communications with
the FCC. Before I moved the antenna I received signals from Tampa better
than from Ft. Myers. AFter moving it, I now get Ft. Myers better.

Don't know the brand name of my antenna but it is a "wing type" about 5 - 6
inches wide, maybe an inch thick and about 30 inches in length.

Does a great job with stations relative far away. My zip is 33872 if anyone
wants to check out distances.

I also receive VHF stations but never watch them as I have Dish for all TVs
except the HDTV.

The antenna is up probably 19' in the air.

Good luck and let us know how it all turns out.

Jim

BTW, some regular antennas are grandfathered into the rules and regulations.
There are probably 6 still in existence. They can be seen from far away.
My little antenna can only be seen from my back yard and it is a lake after
about 20 yds of land.


"varioust" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi everyone,

This is my first post to the group so I apologize if this is not the
correct place to post. I have been enjoying the threads in this group
and I decided I would post to see if anyone has an idea of what I
should do in this situation. I apologize in advance if I should be
posting to another group.

I have been having issues with my HOA who disparately desires me to
relocate my antenna from the highest point on my roof (where I receive
line-of-sight with transmitters) to a more suitable location (attic,
or where it is not visible from the street). Obviously, I know that
"technically" they can't tell me to do this because of the FCC ruling
in 1996...however, they used what I call the "good neighbor" approach
on me. Listed below is a portion of the e-mail from my HOA president
(and it is long):

""
The Board of Directors is currently discussing the heart of the rule
governing the prohibition of the placement of an antenna in or on a
member's lot or dwelling; that being the true aesthetics involved in a
member using this sort of equipment for their receptive needs. We are
discussing and seeking consultation as to the Board's responsibility
to oversee the requirements or restrictions of placement of such
antennas to stay in keeping with the spirit of rule #18 in our
covenants. But with all "restrictions" we must carefully weigh the
individual member's rights to what is legally allowed against the
other member's rights to a clear and unobstructed view. We will be
discussing the manner in which a member would be conscientious of
their neighbor's property as they would their own and ask each member
that decides to follow this FCC ruling to place their antenna where it
is not visibly seen by the surrounding homes or passersby. After
saying this, in the spirit of neighborliness and citizenship, we are
asking that you consider relocating your antenna. Several other
members have installed similar antennas in their attic crawl spaces.
If the reception there is unacceptable or your attic isn't large
enough to accommodate then we are asking you, for the time being; to
relocate the antenna to the north side of your home's ridgeline to at
least reduce the amount of visibility. The reason we are requesting
this from you is the very reason this was brought to the Board's
attention. It is displeasing to your neighbors. Please consider this
request until the Board can make a final decision as to how it will
regulate the placement of the equipment that our covenants still
conclude as being unsightly.
""

My only response is: WOW! Can anyone give me a good idea of how to
respond to this. Or recommendations on what I should do. Should I cave
in to the "good guy" response, or should I fight this? I don't want
to upset people, but I also think people should be aware that I am
within my rights to have my antenna where it is...so it comes down to
a matter of principle. Any advice would be helpful. Thank you in
advance!

Thanks,

Tyler

Jim,

This is good to know. I don't think that my antenna is grandfathered
in but it is around 80" long and can only be seen from half-a-block or
so. It is a Radio Shack 80" boom antenna. I don't think safety
issues will be a problem. Although, anything is possible I guess and I
wouldn't be surprised if I put up a fight that they use that angle.

Anyway, there have been a lot of good posts and I have good responses
from others that I might use in my argument against the HOA. I
appreciate it, and I will keep you all updated on the situation.

Thanks!

On May 3, 5:22 pm, "Jim" wrote:
I read all the other comments up to now and just want to add that I went
through the same thing with my HOA. FCC has a file on my complaint. There
are items that you must be aware of which would give a ruling in favor of
the HOA. Like, safety hazards. I had to move my antenna because if it were
to fall, it would fall into neighbors yard. Other than that I had no
problem.

HOA decided to drop the complaint against me after long communications with
the FCC. Before I moved the antenna I received signals from Tampa better
than from Ft. Myers. AFter moving it, I now get Ft. Myers better.

Don't know the brand name of my antenna but it is a "wing type" about 5 - 6
inches wide, maybe an inch thick and about 30 inches in length.

Does a great job with stations relative far away. My zip is 33872 if anyone
wants to check out distances.

I also receive VHF stations but never watch them as I have Dish for all TVs
except the HDTV.

The antenna is up probably 19' in the air.

Good luck and let us know how it all turns out.

Jim

BTW, some regular antennas are grandfathered into the rules and regulations.
There are probably 6 still in existence. They can be seen from far away.
My little antenna can only be seen from my back yard and it is a lake after
about 20 yds of land.

"varioust" wrote in message

ups.com...

Hi everyone,

This is my first post to the group so I apologize if this is not the
correct place to post. I have been enjoying the threads in this group
and I decided I would post to see if anyone has an idea of what I
should do in this situation. I apologize in advance if I should be
posting to another group.

I have been having issues with my HOA who disparately desires me to
relocate my antenna from the highest point on my roof (where I receive
line-of-sight with transmitters) to a more suitable location (attic,
or where it is not visible from the street). Obviously, I know that
"technically" they can't tell me to do this because of the FCC ruling
in 1996...however, they used what I call the "good neighbor" approach
on me. Listed below is a portion of the e-mail from my HOA president
(and it is long):

""
The Board of Directors is currently discussing the heart of the rule
governing the prohibition of the placement of an antenna in or on a
member's lot or dwelling; that being the true aesthetics involved in a
member using this sort of equipment for their receptive needs. We are
discussing and seeking consultation as to the Board's responsibility
to oversee the requirements or restrictions of placement of such
antennas to stay in keeping with the spirit of rule #18 in our
covenants. But with all "restrictions" we must carefully weigh the
individual member's rights to what is legally allowed against the
other member's rights to a clear and unobstructed view. We will be
discussing the manner in which a member would be conscientious of
their neighbor's property as they would their own and ask each member
that decides to follow this FCC ruling to place their antenna where it
is not visibly seen by the surrounding homes or passersby. After
saying this, in the spirit of neighborliness and citizenship, we are
asking that you consider relocating your antenna. Several other
members have installed similar antennas in their attic crawl spaces.
If the reception there is unacceptable or your attic isn't large
enough to accommodate then we are asking you, for the time being; to
relocate the antenna to the north side of your home's ridgeline to at
least reduce the amount of visibility. The reason we are requesting
this from you is the very reason this was brought to the Board's
attention. It is displeasing to your neighbors. Please consider this
request until the Board can make a final decision as to how it will
regulate the placement of the equipment that our covenants still
conclude as being unsightly.
""

My only response is: WOW! Can anyone give me a good idea of how to
respond to this. Or recommendations on what I should do. Should I cave
in to the "good guy" response, or should I fight this? I don't want
to upset people, but I also think people should be aware that I am
within my rights to have my antenna where it is...so it comes down to
a matter of principle. Any advice would be helpful. Thank you in
advance!

Thanks,

Tyler

On 3 May 2007 12:08:10 -0700, varioust wrote:

Hi everyone,

This is my first post to the group so I apologize if this is not the
correct place to post. I have been enjoying the threads in this group
and I decided I would post to see if anyone has an idea of what I
should do in this situation. I apologize in advance if I should be
posting to another group.

I have been having issues with my HOA who disparately desires me to
relocate my antenna from the highest point on my roof (where I receive
line-of-sight with transmitters) to a more suitable location (attic,
or where it is not visible from the street). Obviously, I know that
"technically" they can't tell me to do this because of the FCC ruling
in 1996...however, they used what I call the "good neighbor" approach
on me. Listed below is a portion of the e-mail from my HOA president
(and it is long):

Man, I sure am glad I don't live in that are. They'd probably have a
problem with my antenna
http://www.rogerhalstead.com/ham_files/Tower29.htm
They are not in this photo, but there are two located just below the
position of my feet which are about 94 feet above the ground.
I have two of the largest UHF TV antennas I could find. One points NW
and the other south. I get good, reliable digital reception close to
about 90 miles out.

"varioust" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi everyone,

This is my first post to the group so I apologize if this is not the
correct place to post. I have been enjoying the threads in this group
and I decided I would post to see if anyone has an idea of what I
should do in this situation. I apologize in advance if I should be
posting to another group.

I have been having issues with my HOA who disparately desires me to
relocate my antenna from the highest point on my roof (where I receive
line-of-sight with transmitters) to a more suitable location (attic,
or where it is not visible from the street). Obviously, I know that
"technically" they can't tell me to do this because of the FCC ruling
in 1996...however, they used what I call the "good neighbor" approach
on me. Listed below is a portion of the e-mail from my HOA president
(and it is long):

""
The Board of Directors is currently discussing the heart of the rule
governing the prohibition of the placement of an antenna in or on a
member's lot or dwelling; that being the true aesthetics involved in a
member using this sort of equipment for their receptive needs. We are
discussing and seeking consultation as to the Board's responsibility
to oversee the requirements or restrictions of placement of such
antennas to stay in keeping with the spirit of rule #18 in our
covenants. But with all "restrictions" we must carefully weigh the
individual member's rights to what is legally allowed against the
other member's rights to a clear and unobstructed view. We will be
discussing the manner in which a member would be conscientious of
their neighbor's property as they would their own and ask each member
that decides to follow this FCC ruling to place their antenna where it
is not visibly seen by the surrounding homes or passersby. After
saying this, in the spirit of neighborliness and citizenship, we are
asking that you consider relocating your antenna. Several other
members have installed similar antennas in their attic crawl spaces.
If the reception there is unacceptable or your attic isn't large
enough to accommodate then we are asking you, for the time being; to
relocate the antenna to the north side of your home's ridgeline to at
least reduce the amount of visibility. The reason we are requesting
this from you is the very reason this was brought to the Board's
attention. It is displeasing to your neighbors. Please consider this
request until the Board can make a final decision as to how it will
regulate the placement of the equipment that our covenants still
conclude as being unsightly.
""

My only response is: WOW! Can anyone give me a good idea of how to
respond to this. Or recommendations on what I should do. Should I cave
in to the "good guy" response, or should I fight this? I don't want
to upset people, but I also think people should be aware that I am
within my rights to have my antenna where it is...so it comes down to
a matter of principle. Any advice would be helpful. Thank you in
advance!

Thanks,

Tyler

Tell them that all these problems with the OTA HD reception has convinced
you to put a 20 foot X-Band and two 2 meter Ku band satellite dishes in the
front yard for the absolute best in TV viewing.

Then invite the neighbors for HD sporting events in true good neighbor
fashion.

In article . com,
varioust wrote:

Hi everyone,

This is my first post to the group so I apologize if this is not the
correct place to post. I have been enjoying the threads in this group
and I decided I would post to see if anyone has an idea of what I
should do in this situation. I apologize in advance if I should be
posting to another group.

I have been having issues with my HOA who disparately desires me to
relocate my antenna from the highest point on my roof (where I receive
line-of-sight with transmitters) to a more suitable location (attic,
or where it is not visible from the street). Obviously, I know that
"technically" they can't tell me to do this because of the FCC ruling
in 1996...however, they used what I call the "good neighbor" approach
on me. Listed below is a portion of the e-mail from my HOA president
(and it is long):

""
The Board of Directors is currently discussing the heart of the rule
governing the prohibition of the placement of an antenna in or on a
member's lot or dwelling; that being the true aesthetics involved in a
member using this sort of equipment for their receptive needs. We are
discussing and seeking consultation as to the Board's responsibility
to oversee the requirements or restrictions of placement of such
antennas to stay in keeping with the spirit of rule #18 in our
covenants. But with all "restrictions" we must carefully weigh the
individual member's rights to what is legally allowed against the
other member's rights to a clear and unobstructed view. We will be
discussing the manner in which a member would be conscientious of
their neighbor's property as they would their own and ask each member
that decides to follow this FCC ruling to place their antenna where it
is not visibly seen by the surrounding homes or passersby. After
saying this, in the spirit of neighborliness and citizenship, we are
asking that you consider relocating your antenna. Several other
members have installed similar antennas in their attic crawl spaces.
If the reception there is unacceptable or your attic isn't large
enough to accommodate then we are asking you, for the time being; to
relocate the antenna to the north side of your home's ridgeline to at
least reduce the amount of visibility. The reason we are requesting
this from you is the very reason this was brought to the Board's
attention. It is displeasing to your neighbors. Please consider this
request until the Board can make a final decision as to how it will
regulate the placement of the equipment that our covenants still
conclude as being unsightly.
""

My only response is: WOW! Can anyone give me a good idea of how to
respond to this. Or recommendations on what I should do. Should I cave
in to the "good guy" response, or should I fight this? I don't want
to upset people, but I also think people should be aware that I am
within my rights to have my antenna where it is...so it comes down to
a matter of principle. Any advice would be helpful. Thank you in
advance!

1. Realize that if you become an adversary to the HOA you will become
subject ot the absolute letter of the law on all covenants. You are
throwing the book in their face. They will likely respond in kind.

2. Show up at the HOA office unannounced and ask in person to see
documentation that neighbors are displeased. You don't want them to go
drum up displeasure... you want to see the existing documentation for
the displeasure that they claim exists. If they provide it, and if
they are actually neighbors, consider talking to those folks about the
issue personally. My bet is that there is no documentation. Your
antenna was spotted by a HOA drivethrough.

3. Consider asking for reimbursement for your expenses to have the
antenna moved... You'll agree to have it moved, but the HOA will have
to have it done. And if reception is unacceptable, they will have to
have it moved it back.

4. Consider moving the mast to behind the ridgeline, but extending the
height to get back to the same line of sight.

On May 3, 7:20 pm, Steve Cutchen wrote:
In article . com,



varioust wrote:
Hi everyone,

This is my first post to the group so I apologize if this is not the
correct place to post. I have been enjoying the threads in this group
and I decided I would post to see if anyone has an idea of what I
should do in this situation. I apologize in advance if I should be
posting to another group.

I have been having issues with my HOA who disparately desires me to
relocate my antenna from the highest point on my roof (where I receive
line-of-sight with transmitters) to a more suitable location (attic,
or where it is not visible from the street). Obviously, I know that
"technically" they can't tell me to do this because of the FCC ruling
in 1996...however, they used what I call the "good neighbor" approach
on me. Listed below is a portion of the e-mail from my HOA president
(and it is long):

""
The Board of Directors is currently discussing the heart of the rule
governing the prohibition of the placement of an antenna in or on a
member's lot or dwelling; that being the true aesthetics involved in a
member using this sort of equipment for their receptive needs. We are
discussing and seeking consultation as to the Board's responsibility
to oversee the requirements or restrictions of placement of such
antennas to stay in keeping with the spirit of rule #18 in our
covenants. But with all "restrictions" we must carefully weigh the
individual member's rights to what is legally allowed against the
other member's rights to a clear and unobstructed view. We will be
discussing the manner in which a member would be conscientious of
their neighbor's property as they would their own and ask each member
that decides to follow this FCC ruling to place their antenna where it
is not visibly seen by the surrounding homes or passersby. After
saying this, in the spirit of neighborliness and citizenship, we are
asking that you consider relocating your antenna. Several other
members have installed similar antennas in their attic crawl spaces.
If the reception there is unacceptable or your attic isn't large
enough to accommodate then we are asking you, for the time being; to
relocate the antenna to the north side of your home's ridgeline to at
least reduce the amount of visibility. The reason we are requesting
this from you is the very reason this was brought to the Board's
attention. It is displeasing to your neighbors. Please consider this
request until the Board can make a final decision as to how it will
regulate the placement of the equipment that our covenants still
conclude as being unsightly.
""

My only response is: WOW! Can anyone give me a good idea of how to
respond to this. Or recommendations on what I should do. Should I cave
in to the "good guy" response, or should I fight this? I don't want
to upset people, but I also think people should be aware that I am
within my rights to have my antenna where it is...so it comes down to
a matter of principle. Any advice would be helpful. Thank you in
advance!

1. Realize that if you become an adversary to the HOA you will become
subject ot the absolute letter of the law on all covenants. You are
throwing the book in their face. They will likely respond in kind.

2. Show up at the HOA office unannounced and ask in person to see
documentation that neighbors are displeased. You don't want them to go
drum up displeasure... you want to see the existing documentation for
the displeasure that they claim exists. If they provide it, and if
they are actually neighbors, consider talking to those folks about the
issue personally. My bet is that there is no documentation. Your
antenna was spotted by a HOA drivethrough.

3. Consider asking for reimbursement for your expenses to have the
antenna moved... You'll agree to have it moved, but the HOA will have
to have it done. And if reception is unacceptable, they will have to
have it moved it back.

4. Consider moving the mast to behind the ridgeline, but extending the
height to get back to the same line of sight.

These are all good points. I plan on showing up at their office
tomorrow unannounced (unless they are reading this thread). I'll let
you know what happens.

I was also planning on asking them to reimburse me for the cost of
moving the antenna as well and that would really be the only way it is
going to move because I don't plan on spending any more time/money on
this. I have a good signal now...why should I mess with it if I don't
have to. And I agree, if the move it and my signal decreases then it
should go back.

Tyler

Since you received the blessing of your immediate neighbors, you might
want to pass that information along to the board. If you can't find
out who complained, you might want to find out how many complained.
If it's one person who's being a jerk, ask what it would to do apease
them.

Excellent point! especially since the grumblers apparently not even within
eyesight! If you want to get pi**ed off about an antenna, wait until the
vacant lot next door becomes a cell phone tower.

--
All the Best,
Richard Harison

The covenant basically says about antennas and dishes that you can't
have any antenna of any size and only a dish that has a diameter
within 24" and not over 24".

Which I find strange that they use 24" for dishes...aren't most dishes
nowadays b/t 28" and 31"???

varioust wrote:
Since you received the blessing of your immediate neighbors, you
might want to pass that information along to the board. If you can't
find out who complained, you might want to find out how many
complained. If it's one person who's being a jerk, ask what it would
to do apease them.

Excellent point! especially since the grumblers apparently not even
within eyesight! If you want to get pi**ed off about an antenna, wait
until the vacant lot next door becomes a cell phone tower.

--
All the Best,
Richard Harison

The covenant basically says about antennas and dishes that you can't
have any antenna of any size and only a dish that has a diameter
within 24" and not over 24".

Which I find strange that they use 24" for dishes...aren't most dishes
nowadays b/t 28" and 31"???

The covenant is wrong. Check the fcc webpage for otard rules.
I think someone already posted the link in this forum.

Chip

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On May 4, 4:30 am, varioust wrote:
Since you received the blessing of your immediate neighbors, you might
want to pass that information along to the board. If you can't find
out who complained, you might want to find out how many complained.
If it's one person who's being a jerk, ask what it would to do apease
them.

Excellent point! especially since the grumblers apparently not even within
eyesight! If you want to get pi**ed off about an antenna, wait until the
vacant lot next door becomes a cell phone tower.

--
All the Best,
Richard Harison

The covenant basically says about antennas and dishes that you
can't
have any antenna of any size and only a dish that has a diameter
within 24" and not over 24".

Which I find strange that they use 24" for dishes...aren't most
dishes
nowadays b/t 28" and 31"???

If what you say about the size is true, sounds like the HOA doesn't
want _any_ type of receiving device. Any Stepford Wives there?

GG