TOT Smoking Ban 2007

DAB is the Betamax of digital radio wrote:
Colin Stamp wrote:
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:16:57 GMT, "DAB is the Betamax of digital
radio" [email protected] wrote:

Colin Stamp wrote:
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 22:25:00 +0100, charles
wrote:

In article ,
the dog from that film you saw
wrote:

"charles" wrote in message
...
In article ,
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
charles wrote:
I bet you most people prefer not smelling of cigarettes.
probably, but the smell of the "great unwashed" suddenly
becomes very obvious - as does the smell from the toilets.
So they should clean the toilets then. It's really not been a
problem in non-smoking bars I've been to.
Toilets can be cleaned before opening time and they can stink by
closing time. It depends on the habits of the users.


stopping you from smelling nasty lavatories is one of the worst
excuses for smoking i ever did read.
It wasn't an 'excuse', I don't smoke - I don't like smoking. But,
it is a fact of life in some pubs that tobacco smoke masks the
smell from the toilets.
If smell-masking is all fag-smoke was ever doing for us, I guess Air
Wick could single-handedly save the post-ban situation for us all...

"For us all"? Are Airwick going to produce cigs that don't produce
any smoke then?
Smokers will no-doubt feel aggrieved that they are about to lose the
incredibly privileged position they've enjoyed for centuries. I'll try
not to lose any sleep over it though.


I'm sure you won't lose sleep over it, but I think those supporting the full
ban should stop and consider why they're supporting a full ban when they
wouldn't have had to set foot in another smoking pub ever again.

And if we're going to ban activities that carry some risk, then I propose

Smoking is not being banned, as per usual you are writing the most words
about something when you have got the wrong end of the stick again. So
many words and yet again you are past the point of no return and just
bore everyone to death with your incessant rantings supported by a
lunatic minority...again.

BTW: It is smoking in the workplaces that is banned, I assume you are
still (un)employed writing for some magazine (though presumably not
mentioning boycotting Sony), so your bedsit will be off limits for
smoking being a workplace.

that all non-smokers proposing this full ban should be banned from having
unprotected sex, as there's a possibility that their partner in sexual
activies might have AIDS. Not to do so would be hypocritical.

Only in public places.


Cheers,


I don't think that's a very appropriate word to use in the circumstances.

DAB is the Betamax of digital radio wrote:
Colin Stamp wrote:
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:15:13 GMT, "DAB is the Betamax of digital
radio" [email protected] wrote:


I'm sure you won't lose sleep over it, but I think those supporting
the full ban should stop and consider why they're supporting a full
ban when they wouldn't have had to set foot in another smoking pub
ever again.
Presumably, you're advocating some lesser measures to make that
situation come about. All very interesting, but I can't see anything
being done other than the ban as discussed,


I'm not saying anything will change, Einstein. The Nazis have got their full
ban.


and when it comes into
force, the situation will improve vastly over the present one.


For YOU it may be vastly improved, but it will be vastly worse for smokers,
not that you care about them, because you're a Nazi.

Well he probably doesn't realise it, but he finally admits that his
activities make it worse for others.

So Mr 3 degrees, please explain your right to indulge in an activity
that makes life generally ****ter for those in your immediate vicinity.
What is so special about you?

Next, can others then freely involve in activities of their choice that
would make things generally ****ter for you?

stevo wrote:
DAB is the Betamax of digital radio wrote:
Colin Stamp wrote:

"For us all"? Are Airwick going to produce cigs that don't produce
any smoke then?
Smokers will no-doubt feel aggrieved that they are about to lose the
incredibly privileged position they've enjoyed for centuries. I'll
try not to lose any sleep over it though.


I'm sure you won't lose sleep over it, but I think those supporting
the full ban should stop and consider why they're supporting a full
ban when they wouldn't have had to set foot in another smoking pub
ever again. And if we're going to ban activities that carry some risk,
then I
propose

Smoking is not being banned, as per usual you are writing the most
words about something when you have got the wrong end of the stick
again. So many words and yet again you are past the point of no
return and just bore everyone to death with your incessant rantings
supported by a lunatic minority...again.


Erm, who on earth are you again?

Anyway, the point I was making was that those supporting the passing of this
ban justified it by saying that there's a risk that passive smoking causes
people to die. But of course people don't have to work in smoking pubs - it
is a choice they make.

Basically, the ban is an absolutely ridiculous idea passed by the Nanny
State. People should have the choice to smoke in a smoking pub if they wish
to, and those that want to go to a non-smoking pub should also have the
choice to do that too - I'm not being selfish here, but the non-smokers are.


BTW: It is smoking in the workplaces that is banned, I assume you are
still (un)employed writing for some magazine (though presumably not
mentioning boycotting Sony), so your bedsit will be off limits for
smoking being a workplace.


Who are you again? "stevo" doesn't register, I'm afraid, and you're just a
Mr Nobody to me.


that all non-smokers proposing this full ban should be banned from
having unprotected sex, as there's a possibility that their partner
in sexual activies might have AIDS. Not to do so would be
hypocritical.

Only in public places.


But there's a risk that you'll die if you have unprotected sex. It's a
chance you take, just like it's a chance that people working in a smoking
pub would take if this ridiculous smoking ban weren't enforced.


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stevo wrote:
DAB is the Betamax of digital radio wrote:
Colin Stamp wrote:
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:15:13 GMT, "DAB is the Betamax of digital
radio" [email protected] wrote:


I'm sure you won't lose sleep over it, but I think those supporting
the full ban should stop and consider why they're supporting a full
ban when they wouldn't have had to set foot in another smoking pub
ever again.
Presumably, you're advocating some lesser measures to make that
situation come about. All very interesting, but I can't see anything
being done other than the ban as discussed,


I'm not saying anything will change, Einstein. The Nazis have got
their full ban.


and when it comes into
force, the situation will improve vastly over the present one.


For YOU it may be vastly improved, but it will be vastly worse for
smokers, not that you care about them, because you're a Nazi.

Well he probably doesn't realise it, but he finally admits that his
activities make it worse for others.


I am perfectly happy for non-smokers to get non-smoking pubs to go to. I
only object to smokers not having the right to go to smoking pubs.


So Mr 3 degrees,


Mr Nobody, who are you again?


please explain your right to indulge in an activity
that makes life generally ****ter for those in your immediate
vicinity. What is so special about you?


See above.


Next, can others then freely involve in activities of their choice
that would make things generally ****ter for you?


Clearly you don't see the hypocrisy in you being against me making things
generally ****ter for other people yet the smoking ban will obviously make
life generally ****ter for me and all the other smokers that go to pubs.


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"stevo" wrote in message
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So Mr 3 degrees, please explain your right to indulge in an activity that
makes life generally ****ter for those in your immediate vicinity. What is
so special about you?

Next, can others then freely involve in activities of their choice that
would make things generally ****ter for you?


he probably won't care as long as he still gets his fix. drug users tend to
be very singular in their thoughts.



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stevo wrote:
DAB is the Betamax of digital radio wrote:
the dog from that film you saw wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message
...
Now before you all flame me, I'm not a smoker and never have been,
but I find this unbelievable!

From the middle of this year, there will be a total ban on smoking
in public
places. No pubs or clubs can even have a smoking room for people
who fancy
a fag!



most smokers tend to be in total denial - they refuse to accept that
they are drug addicts.


So is everybody that wants a cup of tea or coffee in the morning to
perk themselves up, but somehow they don't have the same stigma.

Trust you to get the wrong end of the stick. No doubt you blame Ofcom
and Mark Thomas.


Oh, I forgot to respond to this.

Have you seen the Channel 4 application for the new national DAB multiplex?
They're proposing to use 112 kbps MP2 for the stereo stations (and they're
planning to steal 20% of the capacity for mobile TV).

So, hey, you stick up for Ofcom and Marky-boy Thomas if you wish, but
anybody that does stick up for them is simply a moron.


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In message , DAB is the Betamax of
digital radio wrote


I'm sorry, haven't you understood the difficult concept of having smoking
and non-smoking pubs where smokers go to smoking pubs and non-smokers go to
non-smoking pubs?

If you were working for an employer in an industrial process that
produced as much smoke as found in many pubs your employer would be
forced to provide protective clothing and respirators.

The pub trade has just had to fall into line with what other employers
have been doing for many tens of years.



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the dog from that film you saw wrote:
"stevo" wrote in message
...


So Mr 3 degrees, please explain your right to indulge in an activity
that makes life generally ****ter for those in your immediate
vicinity. What is so special about you?

Next, can others then freely involve in activities of their choice
that would make things generally ****ter for you?


he probably won't care as long as he still gets his fix. drug users
tend to be very singular in their thoughts.


It's quite simple - I just want to be free to enter a public house that
allows smoking and smoke whilst I drink. I am in favour of there being
non-smoking pubs, because non-smokers want them. But there is absolutely no
justification for banning smoking in all pubs when 25% of adults smoke and
nobody is forced to take a job behind a bar in a smoking pub.

It's actually quite amusing to see how people justify the full ban, because
it shows what an incredibly selfish society we've become. I mean, FFS, how
could you get more selfish than wanting smoking being banned from all pubs
when you would never have to enter a smoking pub ever again?


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In message , DAB is the Betamax
of digital radio wrote

This full smoking ban only got through due to the health Nazis trying to
make the case that a partial ban would result in bar staff dying.


Surely a Nazis is one who enjoys gassing people - a smoker!?

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Alan wrote:
In message , DAB is the Betamax
of digital radio wrote


I'm sorry, haven't you understood the difficult concept of having
smoking and non-smoking pubs where smokers go to smoking pubs and
non-smokers go to non-smoking pubs?

If you were working for an employer in an industrial process that
produced as much smoke as found in many pubs your employer would be
forced to provide protective clothing and respirators.


Could you provide some references to back up that assertion please?


The pub trade has just had to fall into line with what other employers
have been doing for many tens of years.


Should we ban all jobs where there's a minute risk of dying then? Someone
had better tell the army to pack their bags and get out of Iraq sharpish. 5
died last week didn't they? Bloody dangerous profession that.



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