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Old April 4th 07, 09:07 AM posted to rec.arts.drwho,uk.tech.digital-tv
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I'd say they should ban alcohol from puns too. Makes as much sense.


Oh, stop wining!
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Old April 4th 07, 11:34 AM posted to rec.arts.drwho,uk.tech.digital-tv
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In article ,
Phil Randal wrote:
I'd say they should ban alcohol from puns too. Makes as much sense.


Oh, stop wining!


;-)

I used to be a pub lover. Dunno who most are aimed at these days, but
it's not the likes of me. They 'modernised' my local by removing all
carpets and curtains etc so now you can't hear yourself think. And not
really due to more patrons or muzak, etc. I have a feeling youngsters just
talk these days without having to listen. The mobile phone syndrome.

I've oft wondered why someone using a mobile in a public place *always*
talks more than listens. Any theories?

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Old April 4th 07, 01:20 PM posted to rec.arts.drwho,uk.tech.digital-tv
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On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:11:56 +0100, "Agamemnon"
wrote:

Are Topfiled planning any new models. I don't want to buy one and end up
finding they've brought an new one out after I've bought it, and does it
have programme link?


The Topfield units have a large and loyal fanbase, who write many
applications for it - it's extremely customisable. If there's a
function it doesn't have, somebody will write it!

I have colleagues here who have it connected to the net, so they can
programme it online, or via text messages when they are out and about
etc.

Have a look he

http://www.toppy.org.uk/

Steve

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http://www.restoration-team.co.uk
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Old April 4th 07, 01:43 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
I used to be a pub lover. Dunno who most are aimed at these days, but
it's not the likes of me. They 'modernised' my local by removing all
carpets and curtains etc so now you can't hear yourself think. And not
really due to more patrons or muzak, etc. I have a feeling youngsters just
talk these days without having to listen. The mobile phone syndrome.

I've oft wondered why someone using a mobile in a public place *always*
talks more than listens. Any theories?

I've noticed that if a group of teens in a pub split up, and one is left
alone, it's less than 30 seconds before the phone comes out.

They seem unable to just be alone with their thoughts.

Maybe they don't have any. :¬)
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Old April 4th 07, 02:00 PM posted to rec.arts.drwho,uk.tech.digital-tv
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ...

I have a feeling youngsters just talk these days without having to listen


Yeah, whatever.


:-)


MH



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Old April 4th 07, 02:19 PM posted to rec.arts.drwho,uk.tech.digital-tv
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On 3 Apr, 22:17, "Agamemnon" wrote:
"Astrobiochemist" wrote in message

oups.com...





I've been forced to go digital since I can no longer find and good
quality video tapes in the shops.


Wouldn't it be easier to just get a Topfield or similar?


The Topfield does not have a DVD recorder and even if it had I am not
aware of any DVD recorders that record in DivX. The DVD+/-VR format is
completely useless amyway since it won't play back on my DVD player
whereas DivX will and it provides better quality and will let my put 6
episodes of Doctor Who on one single layered DVD at broadcast quality.


Why would you want to record Dr Who? It's made by RTD and to date
you've
hated every single episode.


As I told you before. Now that I have it as digital I can edit out all
the
irrelevant soapy stuff and make the episodes much better.


I'm just curious, how long is each episode without the "soap"? Also,


25 minutes I think.

how well does the episode progress? It seems like the episode would
jump around erratically if you removed the character scenes (i.e.
"soap").


I've figured out that I can cut the opening soapy garbage from episode 1 and
start where the Doctor parades in front of Martha with his tie. The stuff
about the 21st birthday party is covered in another scene on the moon so the
opening rubbish with Marta's dad and the bimbo can all go. The soapy rubbish
and shouting match at the end can also be cut with a direct mix between
Martha listening to the news report and then standing outside the pub when
the Doctor turns up. I can also cut out the stuff with the X-Ray machine
since it is not scientifically accurate, he's only giving the henchman the
does of 1/4 of a chest X-Ray. Now the problem is how to re-edit the load of
nonsense with the MRI machine which would have to be more powerful than the
sun in order to do what the old woman claimed it would do.


What is the point of this? You're still going to end up with a crap
episode of Doctor Who, it will just be butchered beyond recognition.
What is the point of worrying about lost frames and interlacing if you
are going to cut whole chunks from it anyway?


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Old April 4th 07, 02:25 PM posted to rec.arts.drwho,uk.tech.digital-tv
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On 4 Apr, 08:07, Phil Randal wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I'd say they should ban alcohol from puns too. Makes as much sense.


Oh, stop wining!


lol! Very good. Bet the OP doesn't get it though.

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Old April 4th 07, 02:55 PM posted to rec.arts.drwho,uk.tech.digital-tv
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On 2007-04-03, Agamemnon wrote:
While I was editing the current episode of Andromeda on ITV4 in order to
test out my new AVI/DivX/Xvid capture and editing software (VirtualDub-MPEG2
1.6.15) which I recorded using the Xvid real time Codec set to interlaced, I


First off, if you are trying for good quality don't encode to XVid in realtime,
encode to a low-compression format and then re-encode with higher quality
settings using multiple passes.

Second, it sounds like you are capturing from an analog source? Why not buy a
cheap USB Freeview adapter, dump the broadcast stream to disk and then reencode
that?
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Old April 4th 07, 04:22 PM posted to rec.arts.drwho,uk.tech.digital-tv
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On 4 Apr, 02:55, "Agamemnon" wrote:

"Astrobiochemist" wrote in message
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I don't know what exactly you mean by that. I'm guessing you mean
"she would not be abandoning becoming a doctor." Except she isn't
abandoning her career. She's going on a trip and then she's going to
come back as if no time has passed at all. That's the difference
between Martha and Rose. Rose could leave everything behind (which
Jackie and Mickey hated) but Martha is just taking a short trip before
returning to her life, just as she left it.


And now you are contradiction yourself when you said "If she doesn't have to
deal with all her family annoyances, she wouldn't be go travelling with the
Doctor to get away from them." Now you are agreeing with me in that the only
reason she is going travelling with the Doctor is because she can always
return home


It's not the _only_ reason. Just _an_ important reason.

The henchmen are inside the forcefield, which can assume takes care of
the radiation and even if it didn't, the henchmen are far inside the
building so the many walls between them and the outside would protect
them. So, the explanation that the henchmen are sensitive to x-ray
radiation still works.


No it doesn't since the forcefield is only keeping in the atmosphere since
it is along in light from the sun and if it lets in light it is also letting
in other EM radiation including X-Rays.


Not necessarily. How did you get to be an expert in the inner
workings of Judoon forcefield technology? Who says their system can't
block X-rays while letting in visible light?


There are plenty of examples of the Doctor being silly, such as just
about all of the Tom Baker stories. If Tom Baker can be silly, why
can't DT be silly? Of course, I still say the energy transfer
explanation still works, even though it is a stretch.


When Tom Baker was being silly is was to emphasise a plot point and to
insult the villains.


Or because the director was unable to stop him being silly for the
sake of being silly. (eg. Horns of Nimon)

Yes, that's true but as long as the energy source was more efficient
than the sun, then it really isn't a problem. After all, if the


We are talking about something the power of a super nova which is as bright
as a whole galaxy.


Not necessarily. The amount of electromagnetic radiation in one
specific region of the EM spectrum heading in the specific direction
of earth _could_ be greater than the equivalent amount of
electromagnetic radiation in the same region of the spectrum arriving
on earth during a supernova.

But that doesn't mean the total amount of energy in the MRI is greater
than the total amount of energy in a supernova. After all, the MRI
only has to produce a very specific, narrow local pulse, of the sort
that you don't get in a supernova.

plasmavore provided the energy source for her weapon, then it's alien
tech and you can always get away with things like that with alien
tech.


Poppycock. The story failed to show any kind of power source whatsoever
therefore you cannot assume that there was one.


No. I see you're getting mixed up between 'assume' and 'know'.

It's because we weren't shown a power source that we can (and must)
assume there was one. If we had been shown one, we'd already _know_
it was there, so we wouldn't need to _assume_ anything.

Maybe they did. They switched it off when they left. Of course, they
also teleported the building back when they left so no reason they
couldn't do both at the same time.


In which case no one was ever at any risk and the Doctor would have known
that.


The Doctor wouldn't have known that, because he didn't know what the
Judoon were going to do when they left. He's not a mind reader. He
didn't even know for certain that they were going to teleport the
building back when they left, let alone deatils of what would happen
to the power supply, etc.

And on top of that it was never shown that she tapped into a Judoon
power device (as powerful as a super nova) so you cannot assume that she did
this.


Again, you're getting mixed up between 'assume' and 'know'.

But if it makes you happy then we _won't_ assume she tapped into a
Judoon power device. Let's assume she didn't need to use any power
device because she has a gadget that violates the conservation of
energy. Happy now?

The plot should have explained this and it did not because the simply
was no plot whatsoever. If she used the devise to cripple the Judoon ships
which she wanted to steal then a) she would have destroyed the ships
computers in the process through the EMP burst making the ships worth
nothing more than scrap,


Not necessarily. It depends if the Judoon computers use some sort of
electromagnetic principle in the first place. If they're hydraulic
powered or clockwork or some other weird sci-fi concept, then maybe it
won't affect them.

Or alternatively, maybe the Judoon have some mega-strong futuristic EM
shielding around their ships to protect their computers.

Or alternatively, maybe the plasmavore lady _thought_ the Judoon
computers wouldn't be damaged for some reason, but she was actually
wrong and they would have been, but she didn't know that because she
failed her Magnetics GCSE.

b) she would have fried her own self without a
means of escape, which was never shown, therefore the script should have
been thrown back at RTD's face once again, and c) how could the Judoon have
a device that powerful anyway. Such a device was never shown. Davies,
script, face!


Who said anything about the Judoon having a device that powerful in
the first place? It was the plasmavore lady who built the device, not
the Judoon.

No, wait, let me guess. You typed 'plasmavore' and your evil
spellcheccker from hell turned it into 'Judoon'. Or maybe 'Judoon'
is really ancient Greek for 'plasmavore' and RTD's use of the word was
wrong...

4) The MRI coils and circuits are not capable of dissipating that much
power anyway


That's why she had to alter it. We did see her working on it.


If she had to alter it then the alteration would have amounted to building a
completely new machine since NOTHING in an MRI scanner could have withstood
the power build-up. Therefore she did not need an MRI scanner in the first
place.


Not necessarily. She could have a 'magic wand' device like the
Doctor's sonic screwdriver. Just point it at an MRI machine, and
voila, an instant mega-powerful EMP generator capable of viloating the
conservation of energy.

And if she could afford to buy or make the parts then she could
afford to buy a scanner direct from the manufactures so did not need to
highjack an entire hospital.


She didn't hijack the entire hospital. The Judoon did. Were you
watching the episode at all!?!

Therefore what was she doing in a hospital bed.


Hiding from the Judoon, and getting free blood.

Maybe she needed a foundation to build upon. After all, we've seen
some weird alien tech in Doctor Who, both old and new.


Twaddle. The scanner could not have done the job and if it was one part she
needed from it to build a new device which didn't she buy it.


Not necessarily. She might have bought whatever magical alien device
she needed to transform the scanner. Or she might have stolen it. Or
borrowed it. It doesn't matter. Did you _really_ want to interrupt
the story to show a flashback to when she acquired her device on her
home planet..?

In fact the
only parts that found on Earth would have been capable of functioning in a
new device would have only been the nuts and bolts holding it together.


Not necessarily. Remember 'The Time Monster'. Even wine bottles and
corks can be transformed into powerful alien tech if you know how.

She did say that she chose the hospital because it provided blood and
materials. Since she knew what was coming, it's quite likely that she
would make prior preparations, which we saw her do.


Which we did not see her do.


We saw the results of her preparations. It was pretty obvious that
she must have made some.

And she could just mug someone for blood. And
why was it human blood she needed. Why not animal blood which is 98%
identical, considering she was an alien anyway with a different blood
chemistry?


She was _trying_ to transform her blood chemistry into human blood
chemistry. This was a vital plot point. Did you miss it? Not into
animal blood chemistry. She had no way of knowing whether or not the
Judoon scanners could detect the differences between human and animal
blood, and wouldn't want to take the chance.


No, she specifically said she chose to hospital and had been there for
a little while, in wait for someone to come after her.


Ridiculous. She could have built a machine in her back garden


What back garden? Did he even have a house on earth? Or are you
talking about her homeworld again?

it would have been far more effective and would have no required any
henchmen. Oh an how come she was she able to pay them and transport them
half way across the galaxy an not afford to buy her own MRI scanner?


The henchmen weren't real people. Just solid slabs of leather. The
implication was they were like golems brought to life by the
plasmavore lady's magically advanced technology. I don't think they
needed paying.

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Old April 4th 07, 08:02 PM posted to rec.arts.drwho,uk.tech.digital-tv
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Why don't you just a DV-camera and make your own show, rather than fiddling
around with someone else's?



 




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