Energy Saving on Standby ..How good are your boxes?

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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"stevo" wrote in message
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Bill you are really becoming a bitter old man.

Yes I got like that by encountering idiots.

Bill

Might like to view 'The great global warming swindle' 21:00 8th March Ch 4.
Looks like it could be an interesting debate!

With the next Great Ice Age due in the next century or so, surely a bit of
global warming should be an advantage?

Keith

Bill Wright wrote:

"stevo" wrote in message
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Bill you are really becoming a bitter old man.

Yes I got like that by encountering idiots.

..... and you've been living with yourself all your life.

--
Chris Green

Bill Wright wrote:
"stevo" wrote in message
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Best thing is to travel to work using low-carbon means - that being your
legs.

Unfortunately I can't quite manage to carry all my tools and equipment very
far.

So some people have to pollute, so they pay - but I hear you cry, I have
profit margins etc. Then put your prices up, you would do so should any
other cost to your business increase.

Anyway, why should we accept a reduction in the great benefits and
freedom that the motor car has given us?

Just so long as you are also responsible for the true costs. The costs
are more than just the metal, plastic, labour and fuel of the initial
purchase BTW.

When I was a kid we used to have to walk because there was no option.

Less obesity in those days I would imagine.

Damned if I'm going to go back to those
days just to satisfy the environmental nutters.

You are quite happy to call people nutters aren't you yet take umbridge
at being call so yourself.

You dismissed previous "environmental nutters" because the solution was
acheivable - at the time though they were called nutters too.

Much like people campagning for the right for a minimun wages/a safe
workplace were commies plotting the downfall of the capitalist system no
doubt.


I'm not wasting what's left of my life walking down dusty roads.

What's with the "dusty"? Besides, a bit of exercise and you may last a
bit longer.

What's more I'm not going to huddle in
the cold in my old age because some prodnosed **** says I should turn the
heating down. My thermostat is going to stay firmly on 'very warm indeed'. I
haven't worked hard all my life to be told that I can't have comfort in my
old age.

You'd leave your windows open too wouldn't you bill if you could afford
it just to **** people off.


It's the same with all this crap about water shortages. Here we are
in 2007 and we're being conned into believing that we have to economise on
water. Of course the truth is that the water companies would rather hand out
huge bonuses to the top brass than spend a bit on some decent
infrastructure. It ****es it down in this country compared to a lot of other
places but they seem to manage.

Who is telling us to conserve water Bill, it is the water companies. Why
do you have to throw that in then? You are like the people that phone
radio progs and just moan about any random old crap. They start off on
one point making ill-informed comments then start off whinging about
something else.

You'll be blaming the immigrants next - or have you been there in this
thread already?



Bill

Bill Wright wrote:
"stevo" wrote in message
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The UK produces 2% of the world's CO2 emissions. So at a practical
level, even if we all went back to a 17th century lifestyle it wouldn't
make a jot of difference to the climate. So that's that argument dealt
with.
The problem is that some countries are producing more CO2 per capita than
can be sustained, including us.

Noone
Is that Peter Noone out of Herman's Hermits, Stevo?

is proposing reverting back to a 17th century lifestyle.
Suggesting riduculous claims is a cheap short term shot, but just makes
you look like you are ranting and makes one suspect you really do not
understand the issues.
But if reverting back to a 17th century lifestyle will only save 2% then the
real practical measures can only save much less. How much? 0.2%?

I know you have become a bitter old xenophobe but can we clarify something.

Are you suggesting that Britain should just think "****-it" and sod
everyone else?

That is what you are sounding like.

If so, please, please write a blog - you should rather than spamming
this group with your inane rantings (Bill fans - before you object, you
are on the internet, you could just read his blog). I think the article
on banning of mercury in solder would most amusing.


Bill

"Keith W" wrote in message
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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"stevo" wrote in message
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Bill you are really becoming a bitter old man.

Yes I got like that by encountering idiots.

Bill

Might like to view 'The great global warming swindle' 21:00 8th March Ch
4.
Looks like it could be an interesting debate!

With the next Great Ice Age due in the next century or so, surely a bit of
global warming should be an advantage?

I think there are a lot of good things about the possibility of global
warming. For a start, every 1deg increase in ambient tem means we spend 15%
less on heating oil, apparently. And of course, it would be great to be able
to party outdoor without running those bally patio heaters. Just think,
outdoor swimming pools in the UK that we could actually use!

Bill

"stevo" wrote in message
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When I was a kid we used to have to walk because there was no option.

Less obesity in those days I would imagine.

So you believe that we should all walk everywhere as the best way to lose
weight? The cost to the economy of all the wasted time would be horrendous.
How about eating better quality food and having better health education?
That's only possible if we keep up our wealth, which is only possible if we
avoid ****ing all our money away on loooony environmental measures.

I'm not wasting what's left of my life walking down dusty roads.

What's with the "dusty"? Besides, a bit of exercise and you may last a bit
longer.
I get plenty of exercise. I'm a stupid ignorant aerial installer, remember?

You'd leave your windows open too wouldn't you bill if you could afford it
just to **** people off.
No, I'm not a screwed up little ****head.


Who is telling us to conserve water Bill, it is the water companies. Why
do you have to throw that in then?
Because it's being presented as part of the whole environmentalist package.
The propaganda about saving water leans heavily on the propaganda about
general conservation.

You are like the people that phone
radio progs and just moan about any random old crap. They start off on one
point making ill-informed comments then start off whinging about something
else.
And then if they say anything that doesn't agree with conventional wisdom
they get cut off.


You'll be blaming the immigrants next - or have you been there in this
thread already?
Blaming them for what? I don't blame them for the environmentalist nonsense.
That's down to scientists chasing research money and governments who see it
as a glorious excuse for taxation. I don't blame them for being here. I
blame generations of governmental ineptitude for:
(a) allowing the population to increase dangerously by letting anyone in.
(b) restricting planning on greenfield sites (despite all the setaside land)
so that the said population can't buy a house for a sensible price. Pity the
first time buyers.
(c) Encouraging immigrants to form ghettos, for instance by providing
government literature in different languages.
(d) putting the rights of the individual before the rights of the general
public.

Bill

"stevo" wrote in message
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But if reverting back to a 17th century lifestyle will only save 2% then
the real practical measures can only save much less. How much? 0.2%?

I know you have become a bitter old xenophobe but can we clarify
something.

Are you suggesting that Britain should just think "****-it" and sod
everyone else?

That isn't a bad philosophy, actually. It's one followed by many nations, to
their great advantage. Think of the French. But no, I'm suggesting that we
don't allow ourselves to be taken for a ride.

If so, please, please write a blog - you should rather than spamming this
group with your inane rantings (Bill fans - before you object, you are on
the internet, you could just read his blog). I think the article on
banning of mercury in solder would most amusing.

Mercury in solder? What's this then? That's a new idea. Is that why you're
as mad as a hatter?

Bill

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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"stevo" wrote in message
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But if reverting back to a 17th century lifestyle will only save 2% then
the real practical measures can only save much less. How much? 0.2%?

I know you have become a bitter old xenophobe but can we clarify
something.

Are you suggesting that Britain should just think "****-it" and sod
everyone else?

That isn't a bad philosophy, actually. It's one followed by many nations,
to their great advantage. Think of the French. But no, I'm suggesting that
we don't allow ourselves to be taken for a ride.

If so, please, please write a blog - you should rather than spamming this
group with your inane rantings (Bill fans - before you object, you are on
the internet, you could just read his blog). I think the article on
banning of mercury in solder would most amusing.

Mercury in solder? What's this then? That's a new idea. Is that why you're
as mad as a hatter?

Bill

Is that what causes dry joints - lack of Mercury in solder????????????????

Chas

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:19:22 +0000, Ian Rawlings
wrote:

Yes but he's a commie type isn't he?

No idea, but if he thinks that moving closer to work is what will work
for everyone then there's no point in discussing anything. It's like
the old childish suggestion I heard some time ago that instead of
people in place A travelling to place B to work while people in place
B travel to place A, the people should simply swap jobs. It makes
sense provided you've not graduated from primary school yet.

In the 1960s my mother used to work in family planning clinics on a
couple of evenings a week, and subfertility clinics on another couple
of evenings. We used to joke that it ought to be possible to save
everybody a lot of bother by somehow combining the two, but without
any serious hope that it could ever happen. Life would be so much
simpler if it was simpler, but it isn't.

Rod.

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:46:27 -0000, "Bill Wright"
wrote:

Last week I walked in a relatively small building at a university. In the
plantrooms motors roared, pumps gurgled, floodlights shone, and huge amounts
of heat gushed out of vents into the sky. The lift whizzed up and down six
floors all day long. lAnd we debate here about the amount of power lost by
an LED shining through the window! As Victor used to say "I don't believe
it!"

At my former place of employment, based on an old college site
augmented and modified over the years, a walk from one side to the
other would take you through about half a dozen different climate
zones, nearly all of them inhospitable to human life. In one part
there'd be people with coats on shivering under an uninsulated roof
while being roasted on one side by portable electric fires, and
another part would be sweltering with windows open to lose heat from
ancient cast iron radiators that couldn't be turned off. Nobody seemed
to have thought about coordinating any of this, and I have good reason
to believe it is typical of many workplaces. A few TVs in standby in
homes must pale into insignificance compared with the energy thrown
away by companies that make the managers' offices comfortable and then
look no further.

Rod.