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Horovan wrote:
Right ...all this concerns the shortly forthcoming "Scots Government for the
English"...Brown as Prime Minister,Alastair Darling as Chancellor and of
course Douglas Alexander as Secretary for Transport.....this lot could not
give a toss how much the English protest ...the sassenachs are going to get
stuffed with these taxes ..but of course you'll never see such things in
Glasgie or Edinburgh.... just £billions spent on crap like the Scottish
National Assembly building - do you really think that 3 million Scots could
have paid for all of that? Of course not it was all looted out of the
English taxpayers' pockets.

Firstly it's a Parliament Building, the Welsh have a national assembly.
Secondly there's 5 million of us. You might be rid of us soon but you
can keep the new labour clowns, they won't want to leave westminster anyway.

Stewart

In message ,
Matti Lamprhey Proclaimed from the
tallest tower:

"Max Demian" wrote...

What makes you think that road pricing will reduce congestion
significantly? People will still want/need to travel as before,
they'll just have to pay through the nose for it.

Not so. Of course it's important that the revenue is used to provide
alternative transport methods, but even if this isn't done there will
be many companies who decide to use teleconferencing and supporting
staff working from home.

Matti

What about providing some better alternatives before they start hammering us
for more money when we use our cars?
My place of work is stuck between two villages, it is a 14 mile drive from
where I live, and it takes me about 35 minutes to drive it. Currently, using
public transport, the best possible time (assuming all connections work, and
nothing is delayed) would be 77 minutes on three seperate buses. Actually,
that is not including a 5-10 minute walk at each end, so more like two
hours.
That would mean leaving the house at 7am and getting home at 8pm...

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Chris.
(Remove Elvis's shoes to email me)

Stewart Smith wrote:
Horovan wrote:
Right ...all this concerns the shortly forthcoming "Scots Government
for the English"...Brown as Prime Minister,Alastair Darling as
Chancellor and of course Douglas Alexander as Secretary for
Transport.....this lot could not give a toss how much the English
protest ...the sassenachs are going to get stuffed with these taxes
..but of course you'll never see such things in Glasgie or
Edinburgh.... just £billions spent on crap like the Scottish
National Assembly building - do you really think that 3 million
Scots could have paid for all of that? Of course not it was all
looted out of the English taxpayers' pockets.

Firstly it's a Parliament Building, the Welsh have a national
assembly. Secondly there's 5 million of us. You might be rid of us
soon but you
can keep the new labour clowns, they won't want to leave westminster
anyway.

At the last election more people in England voted for Michael Howard than
they did for Tony Blair, however because of our skewed electoral system
England is still being controlled by New Labour, yet for reasons best known
to themselves the Tories appear quite content with the status quo.. 'whateva
you want' init bruv.. call me Dave!



Stewart

In article ,
Ivan wrote:
Stewart Smith wrote:
Horovan wrote:
Right ...all this concerns the shortly forthcoming "Scots Government
for the English"...Brown as Prime Minister,Alastair Darling as
Chancellor and of course Douglas Alexander as Secretary for
Transport.....this lot could not give a toss how much the English
protest ...the sassenachs are going to get stuffed with these taxes
..but of course you'll never see such things in Glasgie or
Edinburgh.... just £billions spent on crap like the Scottish
National Assembly building - do you really think that 3 million
Scots could have paid for all of that? Of course not it was all
looted out of the English taxpayers' pockets.

Firstly it's a Parliament Building, the Welsh have a national
assembly. Secondly there's 5 million of us. You might be rid of us
soon but you
can keep the new labour clowns, they won't want to leave westminster
anyway.

At the last election more people in England voted for Michael Howard than
they did for Tony Blair,

I never saw the constituency results, but they are irrelevant. We
haven't yet got to directly elected Prime Ministers, although I think that
Directly Elected Mayors are there to pave the way .....

--
From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey"

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

charles wrote:
In article ,
Ivan wrote:
Stewart Smith wrote:
Horovan wrote:
Right ...all this concerns the shortly forthcoming "Scots
Government for the English"...Brown as Prime Minister,Alastair
Darling as Chancellor and of course Douglas Alexander as Secretary
for Transport.....this lot could not give a toss how much the
English protest ...the sassenachs are going to get stuffed with
these taxes ..but of course you'll never see such things in
Glasgie or Edinburgh.... just £billions spent on crap like the
Scottish National Assembly building - do you really think that 3
million Scots could have paid for all of that? Of course not it
was all looted out of the English taxpayers' pockets.

Firstly it's a Parliament Building, the Welsh have a national
assembly. Secondly there's 5 million of us. You might be rid of
us soon but you
can keep the new labour clowns, they won't want to leave westminster
anyway.

At the last election more people in England voted for Michael Howard
than they did for Tony Blair,

I never saw the constituency results, but they are irrelevant. We
haven't yet got to directly elected Prime Ministers, although I think
that Directly Elected Mayors are there to pave the way .....


I can't deny any of that Charles, but despite that I'm willing to bet that
on national polling day when people actually go to cast their votes, their
minds are more fixed on 'who' will be in number 10 and what they have
promised to deliver, rather than on local political personalities and
issues.

Ivan wrote:


At the last election more people in England voted for Michael Howard than
they did for Tony Blair, however because of our skewed electoral system
England is still being controlled by New Labour, yet for reasons best known
to themselves the Tories appear quite content with the status quo.. 'whateva
you want' init bruv.. call me Dave!


Skewed electoral system LOL, for years the situation was reversed and
Scotland was misruled by a Tory party who couldn't buy a vote north of
the border. They hated the "rebellious scots" and tested all their most
regressive legislation like the Poll Tax on us. I sympathise with dodgy
legislation being foisted on England by Scots MPs when it doesn't apply
to their own constituents but I equally resent immigration policies
designed to placate the English tabloids being applied in Scotland where
it's not wanted or needed.

Stewart

In message ,
ChrisM Proclaimed from the tallest tower:

In message ,
Matti Lamprhey Proclaimed from
the tallest tower:

"Max Demian" wrote...

What makes you think that road pricing will reduce congestion
significantly? People will still want/need to travel as before,
they'll just have to pay through the nose for it.

Not so. Of course it's important that the revenue is used to provide
alternative transport methods, but even if this isn't done there will
be many companies who decide to use teleconferencing and supporting
staff working from home.

Matti

What about providing some better alternatives before they start
hammering us for more money when we use our cars?
My place of work is stuck between two villages, it is a 14 mile drive
from where I live, and it takes me about 35 minutes to drive it.
Currently, using public transport, the best possible time (assuming
all connections work, and nothing is delayed) would be 77 minutes on
three seperate buses. Actually, that is not including a 5-10 minute
walk at each end, so more like two hours.
That would mean leaving the house at 7am and getting home at 8pm...

Alright, Alright, I know 90 minutes is 1.5 hours, not 2 hours... but the
point remains the same.

--
Regards,
Chris.
(Remove Elvis's shoes to email me)

"Roger Mills" wrote in message
...
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
kim wrote:

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

The roads are already gridlocked several evenings a week where I live
so what do you suggest as an alternative?

(kim)

There are 2 options:
* Persuade people not to travel
* Build more roads

My local council has built more roads/widened existing roads at a staggering
rate and they are more gridlocked than ever. Building more roads hasn't
worked.

(kim)

Stewart Smith wrote:
Ivan wrote:


At the last election more people in England voted for Michael Howard
than they did for Tony Blair, however because of our skewed
electoral system England is still being controlled by New Labour,
yet for reasons best known to themselves the Tories appear quite
content with the status quo.. 'whateva you want' init bruv.. call me
Dave!


Skewed electoral system LOL, for years the situation was reversed and
Scotland was misruled by a Tory party who couldn't buy a vote north of
the border. They hated the "rebellious scots" and tested all their
most regressive legislation like the Poll Tax on us. I sympathise
with dodgy legislation being foisted on England by Scots MPs when it
doesn't apply to their own constituents but I equally resent
immigration policies designed to placate the English tabloids being
applied in Scotland where it's not wanted or needed.


Sorry I thought that skewed [To give a bias to; distort] was an apt
description of the way our electoral system appears to work.

'Call me Dave' would do well to remember that Michael Howard promised as an
immediate priority at the very least to reassess totally out dated
agreements and legislation on asylum, Immigration and human rights, if not
totally abandon some of them altogether if he won the last general election,
in the event (he) his party did receive an overall larger number of votes in
England than Tony Blair's NuLab, time for an Independent English Parliament
methinks.


Stewart

On Feb 11, 11:08 am, Ian Rawlings wrote:
I put up a petition to encourage the government to push companies into
allowing desk staff to work from home, we have the technology now to
allow it quite easily. Most desk-bound staff could work from home,
e.g. call centre workers. I've worked from home for the last umpteen
years and it works well, although it's much easier if you can dedicate
a room to work so that you don't end up spending private time in your
workplace.

Here's the petition, not many signatures though as I never bothered to
publicise it much (for example I don't spam news groups), so people
only really spot it if they browse the e-petitions site.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/homeworking/


I agree with the main sentiment, but did you really mean to say that
the majority of vehicle deaths are caused by the majority of drivers?
I didn't know that not having killed someone put me in a minority
position.

Steve