What is the "dog"?

had a huge logo top left, the
name of the programme top right,
"comedy hour" under the logo [etc]

This reminds me of another very irritating practice now increasingly
prevelant which is splitting the screen in 2 with the credits at the
end of a programme squashed in a window in the left half of the screen
and a (probably excruciating) trailer with a long winded voiceover for
the next programme on the right hand half of the screen.
The credits are an integral part of a programme and are
particularly significant if watching a film.

AnnieslandJohn wrote:

had a huge logo top left, the
name of the programme top right,
"comedy hour" under the logo [etc]

This reminds me of another very irritating practice now increasingly
prevelant which is splitting the screen in 2 with the credits at the
end of a programme squashed in a window in the left half of the screen
and a (probably excruciating) trailer with a long winded voiceover for
the next programme on the right hand half of the screen.
The credits are an integral part of a programme and are
particularly significant if watching a film.

Old terry Wogan confronted a lady at the beeb about this as they did
it on the end of a 'serious' program aswell as the usual trash. The
lady was quite unabashed, stating that in this day and age they have
to 'lead' the viewer, to try to get them to stay with the channel and
not start hopping. BUT she also said that this practice was not used
when the prog was a serious one, a documentary or such. Terry then
showed her the clip (which she had actually doubted the existence of)
and she promised that this would not happen again. Afterwards they
said that when she took a look at up-coming squeezes there was another
one at the end of another documentary which she had removed. So,
temporarily at least, some programs are supposedly exempt from this
damned annoying habit, but obviously they aren't and another 'policy'
has been made whether the viewer likes it or not.

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AnnieslandJohn wrote:
had a huge logo top left, the name of the programme top right, "comedy
hour" under the logo [etc]

This reminds me of another very irritating practice now increasingly
prevelant which is splitting the screen in 2 with the credits at the end
of a programme squashed in a window in the left half of the screen and a
(probably excruciating) trailer with a long winded voiceover for the
next programme on the right hand half of the screen. The credits are an
integral part of a programme and are particularly significant if
watching a film.

Two odd points about the above annoying habit strike me.

1) That in some cases they 'squeeze' a 4:3 image sideways and fit the
'info' sic beside it as if the results were covering a 16:9 screen width.
Thus having the result of pushing some of the credits off-image entirely.
An example of this tends to be the end of the short 'Sounds of the 60s'
filler just prior to the Avengers on BBC4 on Thursday afternoon.

2) My understanding was that being mentioned in the credits was part of the
contract for some (all?) of those credited. Thus it was a contractual
requirement to show them - as produced - if the broadcaster wants to show
the programme. I guess this must be wrong, though, as the broadcasters seem
to take no care at all to ensure the credits are readable. Shame, though,
as a threat of legal action from an annoyed person credited might deter the
idiotic practice.

Slainte,

Jim

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I think this is going to run and run *until* analog is switched off. Then the
thousands who at present only watch analog 1-5 will have DOGs etc. thrust in
their faces. Be interesting to see if the "Viewers like them" is still around
then. :-)

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On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 01:19:15 +0000, Edster wrote:

Do you really think that the BBC and ITV won't decide they have to do
the same in order to compete for viewers? Of course they will. Thats
why every one of their digital only channels has all that stuff. And
thats why the ones that are currently also broadcast on analogue will
have all that stuff when they are digital only.

How about "dog free" being a reason to watch BBC and ITV ? It could be
an advantage for them.

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On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 09:02:44 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Saville"
wrote:

Be interesting to see if the "Viewers like them" is still around
then. :-)

I'll be around but I will be watching less and less TV. I'm already
down to about two hours a day.

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Jim Lesurf wrote:

2) My understanding was that being mentioned in the credits was part of the
contract for some (all?) of those credited. Thus it was a contractual
requirement to show them - as produced - if the broadcaster wants to show
the programme. I guess this must be wrong, though, as the broadcasters seem
to take no care at all to ensure the credits are readable. Shame, though,
as a threat of legal action from an annoyed person credited might deter the
idiotic practice.

I don't think there is any contractual requirement to show the credits ?
However, there now seems to be a contractual requirement of all major UK
broadcasters that commissioned programmes must have 'pres-friendly'[1] credits.

[1] 'Pres-friendly': All credits must be displayed such that the broadcaster
can easily shove them sideways/smaller (or both) in order to show something
else, (the more irrelevant the better), while some half-wit ILR reject shouts
all over the closing music with crass gibbering.

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Edster wrote on 2/2/2007 1:42 am:

If they really think their viewers
are that thick, what makes them think they will know how to switch a
TV on?
They don't, it's left on all the time (standby!)

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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 06:09:09 GMT, Paul Heslop
wrote:

Steve, i think he was taking the **** :O)

Either way, I think some TV companies believe that DOG's are useful
part of the display. Even the likes of channel five took a few months
to realized that their viewers didn't want a permanent DOG. I don't
watch any channels at all who have anything distracting on the screen.

A few months? Try five years. They started in 1997 and rebranded as "five" in
2002
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had a huge logo top left, the
name of the programme top right,
"comedy hour" under the logo [etc]

This reminds me of another very irritating practice now increasingly
prevelant which is splitting the screen in 2 with the credits at the
end of a programme squashed in a window in the left half of the screen
and a (probably excruciating) trailer with a long winded voiceover for
the next programme on the right hand half of the screen.
The credits are an integral part of a programme and are
particularly significant if watching a film.

On Sky One they sometimes squash the last minute or so of the
programme itself to do that, then leave the credits alone.

Have you noticed a lot of the end credits for BBC produced shows now
have split screen compatibility built into them?

BBC3's end credits, such as those for the "Bash" pilot last night, ran on the
left-hand side while a party scene from the programme played on the right. But
those ****ing BBC3 'blobs' appeared and covered up said party scene telling us
what was on next (even though the 'onscreen next' blob did the same thing 2
minutes earlier, and I didn't care then, either)

Complain to the BBC and they tell you they want to ensure everyone knows about
all of their programmes and what's on, viewer choice, blah, blah, blah. ****s!
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