Windows Vista disables non-HDMI video/audio out heads-up

In message ,
Ian Proclaimed from the tallest tower:

In message , Paul D.Smith
writes
All,

Have you caught the current debates about Windows Vista disabling
digital output (for example TOS, S-video and similar audio/video
outs) on media style PCs when playing protected media? I won't
bother you all with the details but a quick Google for Vista and
HDMI will point you in the right direction.

The basic idea is that HDMI has copy protection but if your PC is
simultaneously outputing video and audio using non-protected
interfaces then the copy protection is worthless. So if you play
something that has copy protection, you won't be able to "play" it
over a non protected interface. This is not yet all set in stone but this
NG's readers seem the sort
of people whocould be caught out by this.

Paul DS.


Here is the full story.

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt

It looks like Vista is the most impractical, unworkable and oppressive
operating system since the last set of commandments were published by
Moses.

Good grief! That is almost unbelievable! Certainly won't be upgrading to
Vista until I'm forced to if 1/4 of that is true!

I particulary like the way hardware designers will need to get their designs
Ok'd by 3 Hollywood studios... is this really for real?? It just sounds like
Vista is going to be almost un-workable...

--
Regards,
Chris.
(Remove Elvis's shoes to email me)

On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:43:39 -0000, "Bob Howes"
wrote:


"Paul D.Smith" wrote in message
. ..
All,

Have you caught the current debates about Windows Vista disabling digital
output (for example TOS, S-video and similar audio/video outs) on media
style PCs when playing protected media? I won't bother you all with the
details but a quick Google for Vista and HDMI will point you in the right
direction.

snip

To get the full low-down on what's happening, have a look at this:
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt

I won't be touching Vista with a barge pole.

Bob

Can we get a liitle bit on topic & say aerial mast, not barge pole :-)

Marky P.

Marky P wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:43:39 -0000, "Bob Howes"
wrote:


"Paul D.Smith" wrote in message
.. .
All,

Have you caught the current debates about Windows Vista disabling
digital output (for example TOS, S-video and similar audio/video
outs) on media style PCs when playing protected media? I won't
bother you all with the details but a quick Google for Vista and
HDMI will point you in the right direction.

snip

To get the full low-down on what's happening, have a look at this:
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt

I won't be touching Vista with a barge pole.

Bob

Can we get a liitle bit on topic & say aerial mast, not barge pole :-)

Didn't you once use a barge pole *as* an aerial mast? Sticking out of the
side of a wall? Or perhaps that was just a dream I had...

On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:26:18 -0000, "Pyriform"
wrote:

Marky P wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:43:39 -0000, "Bob Howes"
wrote:


"Paul D.Smith" wrote in message
.. .
All,

Have you caught the current debates about Windows Vista disabling
digital output (for example TOS, S-video and similar audio/video
outs) on media style PCs when playing protected media? I won't
bother you all with the details but a quick Google for Vista and
HDMI will point you in the right direction.

snip

To get the full low-down on what's happening, have a look at this:
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt

I won't be touching Vista with a barge pole.

Bob

Can we get a liitle bit on topic & say aerial mast, not barge pole :-)

Didn't you once use a barge pole *as* an aerial mast? Sticking out of the
side of a wall? Or perhaps that was just a dream I had...

It's a loft lance, & yes it is sticking out the side of my wall :-)

Marky P

It looks like Vista is the most impractical, unworkable and oppressive
operating system since the last set of commandments were published by
Moses.


The solution is simple - don't buy Vista if you don't agree with their
methodology

But as someone else said you can spend thousands on a media
player only to find the £19.99 special from Asda or Lidl will play anything
you throw at it

In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:

There is a large consumer market in DVD Video recorders and blank discs. I
doubt that the big businesses involved will take without a murmur the idea
that this market should vanish. So some parts of 'big business' may not
agree with other parts.

Sony buying whichever film company it was was not a good sign.
Monopolies are not just about having no competitors, but also about
having no-one to oppose your lobbying.

-- Richard
--
"Consideration shall be given to the need for as many as 32 characters
in some alphabets" - X3.4, 1963.

Richard Tobin wrote:
In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:

There is a large consumer market in DVD Video recorders and blank
discs. I doubt that the big businesses involved will take without a
murmur the idea that this market should vanish. So some parts of
'big business' may not agree with other parts.

Sony buying whichever film company it was was not a good sign.
Monopolies are not just about having no competitors, but also about
having no-one to oppose your lobbying.

And it was Sony BMG who thought it acceptable to install rootkits on their
customers' PCs. I'm not sure why anyone would trust them after that.

ChrisM wrote:

I particulary like the way hardware designers will need to get their designs
Ok'd by 3 Hollywood studios... is this really for real?? It just sounds like
Vista is going to be almost un-workable...

In some ways it is good that it is *so* oppressive... it will create
massive motivation to crack all of its protection systems wide and
irreparably open, which will ultimately be much better for everyone
(except the media companies).

--
Cheers,

John.

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"DMac" wrote in message
.uk...
It looks like Vista is the most impractical, unworkable and oppressive
operating system since the last set of commandments were published by
Moses.


The solution is simple - don't buy Vista if you don't agree with their
methodology

That is not a simple solution it is a compliant solution that accepts the
right of business to dictate the terms and disregards the public right to
have those terms mediated by their representaives in the form of
politicians.

Of course in America where these things are being determined, big business
and politicians are often one and the same thing. Here, in Europe, if
there were sufficient political will, they could be opposed, but then you
would have all the little Englanders jumping up and down about big brother
Europa.

Roger R

The solution is simple - don't buy Vista if you don't agree with their
methodology

That is not a simple solution it is a compliant solution that accepts the
right of business to dictate the terms and disregards the public right to
have those terms mediated by their representaives in the form of
politicians.

Of course in America where these things are being determined, big business
and politicians are often one and the same thing. Here, in Europe, if
there were sufficient political will, they could be opposed, but then you
would have all the little Englanders jumping up and down about big brother
Europa.

Does same on XP. We have a test setup at work, HD-DVD and ATI DVI card
capable of 1080p. Play HD-DVD and zilch via DVI output just 576p via the ATI
analogue component output. Still awaiting delivery of a PC HDMI HDCP
compliant card to see if HD-DVD 1080i/p output works.