Best brand coax and F connector for HD cable?

In "Robert L Bass"
wrote:

Belden RG-6 is what you want...

*Any* RG6 Quad Shielded cable will do fine. Belden, like Monster, has
marketed their name very well.

Except that Belden actually has a long history of actually making
quality products that met real specifications in a field that included a
lot of folks who made junk.

That's not to say Belden is the only company to consider as was stated
earlier, but they are a safe bet if you don't recognize the other
products.

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN

I work at a very reputable commercial TV station. Beldon is all we use.
Norm

Except that Belden actually has a long
history of actually making quality
products that met real specifications in
a field that included a lot of folks who
made junk.

This is true indeed. However, you can buy products of equal quality at significant savings from other reputable manufacturers.

That's not to say Belden is the only
company to consider as was stated
earlier, but they are a safe bet if you
don't recognize the other products.

Also true.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================

Heck yeh, I bought a big spool of Carol Cable (General Cable) RG6/U for my
use at home. Paid like 35 bucks for 500 feet at Home Depot. I have no
problems with it.
Norm

Heck yeh, I bought a big spool of
Carol Cable (General Cable) RG6/U
for my use at home...

I sell Genesis Cable (Honeywell) online. Performance is the same as every other decent brand.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================

On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:49:59 -0500, "Robert L Bass"
wrote:

Belden RG-6 is what you want...

*Any* RG6 Quad Shielded cable will do fine. Belden, like Monster, has marketed their name very well.

With today's cables using a 100% foil shield, plus a braid there is
little to gained by more layers of braid. Just stick with a name
brand. I've forgotten the brand, but I purchase it by the 1000 foot
roll. It's flooded for direct burial. I use both Greenlee and the
Snap n Seal connectors. They cost a bit more, but are both
mechanically sound and water proof. The old hex crimp are easy to
pull apart. One of these can hold my weight on the cable and in work
clothes I go over 180#. Although waterproof connectors are not needed
indoors they are so easy to use and work so well I use them for all of
my F connectors.

As to how well the foil and braid works; I run the cable through
conduit with the cables for my ham station. They will be running as
much as 1500 watts 1.8 through 50 MHz, a couple hundred watts on 144
MHz and up to 50 watts on the 440 MHz band. I have two cables that
run to remote preamps on UHF antennas at roughly 90 feet and two that
run to the satellite dish at roughly 15 feet. There is no interaction
of leakage between systems.

In addition I run a CAT5e cable with a gigabit network between 5 and
10 feet from and parallel to those cables
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Robert L Bass" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
Heck yeh, I bought a big spool of
Carol Cable (General Cable) RG6/U
for my use at home...

I sell Genesis Cable (Honeywell) online. Performance is the same as every
other decent brand.


How could you know,you don't install any of this stuff...

a part reseller cant know the performance of any of his product unless he
install it himself,and we know that you don't,you made it clear to the
Florida inspector,and in many post in ASA

In article ,
Roger wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:49:59 -0500, "Robert L Bass"
wrote:

Belden RG-6 is what you want...

*Any* RG6 Quad Shielded cable will do fine. Belden, like Monster, has
marketed their name very well.

Wrong. Belden tests their cables. Monster is hype.

With today's cables using a 100% foil shield, plus a braid there is
little to gained by more layers of braid. Just stick with a name
brand.
Wrong. Here in Houston if you dont use Quad shield you WILL see the
leakage

I use both Greenlee and the
Snap n Seal connectors. They cost a bit more, but are both
mechanically sound and water proof. The old hex crimp are easy to
pull apart. One of these can hold my weight on the cable and in work
clothes I go over 180#.
Well, my hex crimps will hang a TV, so they are fine. I seen enough bad
Snap and Seal connectors that I automatically cut them off and
reterminate.

As to how well the foil and braid works; I run the cable through
conduit with the cables for my ham station. They will be running as
much as 1500 watts 1.8 through 50 MHz, a couple hundred watts on 144
MHz and up to 50 watts on the 440 MHz band. I have two cables that
run to remote preamps on UHF antennas at roughly 90 feet and two that
run to the satellite dish at roughly 15 feet. There is no interaction
of leakage between systems.

That's just bad practice. Is that measured, or just observed?

In addition I run a CAT5e cable with a gigabit network between 5 and
10 feet from and parallel to those cables

That's not good practice, either.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

lnh wrote:

Wrong. Here in Houston if you dont use Quad shield you WILL see the
leakage

Is there something special about Houston?

I doubt it.

Quad shield is a waste of time and money over good quality foil and
braid cables like Belden duofoil.


I use both Greenlee and the
Snap n Seal connectors. They cost a bit more, but are both
mechanically sound and water proof. The old hex crimp are easy to
pull apart. One of these can hold my weight on the cable and in work
clothes I go over 180#.

Well, my hex crimps will hang a TV, so they are fine. I seen enough bad
Snap and Seal connectors that I automatically cut them off and
reterminate.

My experience over thousands of F connectors is the exact opposite.

Please post a link to a bad SNS connector. I have yet to see one when
installed to specification.


As to how well the foil and braid works; I run the cable through
conduit with the cables for my ham station. They will be running as
much as 1500 watts 1.8 through 50 MHz, a couple hundred watts on 144
MHz and up to 50 watts on the 440 MHz band. I have two cables that
run to remote preamps on UHF antennas at roughly 90 feet and two that
run to the satellite dish at roughly 15 feet. There is no interaction
of leakage between systems.


That's just bad practice. Is that measured, or just observed?

It isn't bad practice for his application. You obviously have not been
around many ham shacks.

Since he is running both TX and RX through the conduit and has some nice
receivers he would be aware of signal leakage.

The point is that in a much more extreme RF environment foil and braid
cables work fine.


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Who to believe?

A licensed Radio Amateur with actual RF experience or some no-name that
can "see" signal leakage and prefers a termination technology that is no
longer used in the industry.

I think I'll stick with Mr. Halstead.

Belden has been making cables for decades. Many people know their name
and their reputation, comes about because of all those decades. That is
their their biggest advantage. Monster, on the other hand, is, as you
wrote, hype. They have nothing on which to base their claims, yet,
because of marketing, they have a rather large marketshare.

lnh wrote:

Wrong. Belden tests their cables. Monster is hype.

With today's cables using a 100% foil shield, plus a braid there is
little to gained by more layers of braid. Just stick with a name
brand.
Wrong. Here in Houston if you dont use Quad shield you WILL see the
leakage

Totally depends on the location. Quad is recommended in locations where
broadcast facilities are nearby. That does not mean that if there is a
broadcast facility nearby and you don't use quad you will, with
uncertainty, experience problems. Roger can vouch for that.

You also need to consider the frequencies involved. Being an ARRL
member, as well as licensed, Roger has a real facility setup, which
includes very good filtering. Little, if any, harmonics going out. He
is restricted as to the frequencies he can transmit on, and because of
his filtering, you aren't going to see him anywhere other than his
actual broadcast frequency. CB radio, on the other hand, can be a
different creature. Cheaply built radios usually don't have adequate
filtering, but because of the low power at which they transmit, little
to no problem is seen. If the operator throws a linear amp into his
system to boost his transmit power, you will see problems. Because of
the inadequate filtering in his radio, when he hops on the radio, he not
only broadcasts at 27MHz (CB radio band) but he also goes out on various
multiples of his frequency (harmonics). The first harmonic of the CB
band is 54MHz, right in broadcast TV channel 2. Roger could transmit on
that very same frequency and nobody would ever know it.

Also, because of his grounding system (much better than a 4' copper rod
stuck in the ground), anything that hops onto any of his shields goes
right to earth before it can go anywhere else.

Well, my hex crimps will hang a TV, so they are fine. I seen enough bad
Snap and Seal connectors that I automatically cut them off and
reterminate.

Pull-out force is not the only thing about fittings that is of any
importance. Return loss and impedance matching are of more importance.
The higher the return loss the better the operation of the system.
Hex-crimp connectors typically have a return loss of ~18dB. Compression
connectors have a return loss of 30dB. Hex-crimp connectors pinch the
cable at 6 points around the cable, which means 6 points of impedance
mismatch. Impedance mismatch results in reflections, which spells
potential trouble. Compression connectors maintain a constant
impedance. More than once I have had to replace hex-crimp fittings on
satellite drops because some of the channels were missing. Not the
whole transponder, but just a few of the channels on various transponders.

That's just bad practice. Is that measured, or just observed?

In addition I run a CAT5e cable with a gigabit network between 5 and
10 feet from and parallel to those cables

That's not good practice, either.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


CIAO!

Ed N.