Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?

MJ Ray wrote:

Now that high-street electronics shops are selling dish-receiver sets
for 80 quid (much less than the 150 quid the BBC falsely claim),

The £150 that the BBC mention in their digital ads does, of course,
include installation. It is also the only way to get the full range of
FTA and FTV UK channels.

You cannot do this with a non-Sky box except by spending a lot more on
a "hobbyist" CAM.

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Jomtien wrote:
MJ Ray wrote:
Now that high-street electronics shops are selling dish-receiver sets
for 80 quid (much less than the 150 quid the BBC falsely claim),

The ?150 that the BBC mention in their digital ads does, of course,
include installation.

Installation is hanging something on a bracket, running some cable and
aiming the antenna with reference to the on-screen meter. It's often
easier than putting up a UHF antenna, because the elevation may mean
you're not on a roof. I'm sure lots of people could do it, maybe
neater than some of the Sky-branded installers I've seen.

It is also the only way to get the full range of
FTA and FTV UK channels.

That's thanks primarily to the failure of OfCom to require all public
service broadcasters to be FTA or at least multi-vendor FTV. As I
understand it, only 4 and five are still FTV channels. OfCom should
act to open up the satellite reception market belatedly.
--
MJR/slef
Free Sat FAQ: http://mjr.towers.org.uk/blog/2006/astefaq

MJ Ray wrote:

Now that high-street electronics shops are selling dish-receiver sets
for 80 quid (much less than the 150 quid the BBC falsely claim),

The ?150 that the BBC mention in their digital ads does, of course,
include installation.

Installation is hanging something on a bracket, running some cable and
aiming the antenna with reference to the on-screen meter. It's often
easier than putting up a UHF antenna, because the elevation may mean
you're not on a roof. I'm sure lots of people could do it, maybe
neater than some of the Sky-branded installers I've seen.

I wouldn't supply and install a dish, mount and cable for £150, let
alone including the box and card (worth £120 on their own).

£150 is a bargain in anyone's money.


It is also the only way to get the full range of
FTA and FTV UK channels.

That's thanks primarily to the failure of OfCom to require all public
service broadcasters to be FTA or at least multi-vendor FTV. As I
understand it, only 4 and five are still FTV channels.

C4, Five, FiveUS, Five Life, Sky Three.


OfCom should
act to open up the satellite reception market belatedly.

That's as maybe but for the moment the only way to get all the free UK
channels is with a Sky box.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC/ITV reception trouble? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Jomtien wrote:
MJ Ray wrote:
Now that high-street electronics shops are selling dish-receiver sets
for 80 quid (much less than the 150 quid the BBC falsely claim),

The ?150 that the BBC mention in their digital ads does, of course,
include installation.

Installation is hanging something on a bracket, running some cable and
aiming [...] I'm sure lots of people could do it [...]

I wouldn't supply and install a dish, mount and cable for ?150, let
alone including the box and card (worth ?120 on their own).

?150 is a bargain in anyone's money.

The quoted price for a DTT receiver doesn't include installation, as far
as I can tell. BBC should quote the satellite price without installation
too.

[thanks for the updated channel list - two new five ones]
OfCom should
act to open up the satellite reception market belatedly.

That's as maybe but for the moment the only way to get all the free UK
channels is with a Sky box.

You can get all free channels with any DVB-S receiver. FTV are not free.

The only way to get all the Sky Movies UK channels is with a Sky box.
That doesn't make it true to say digital satellite receivers start from
whatever the cheapest movies subscription rate is.

Digital satellite receivers commonly on-sale in the UK start from 80 quid.
BBC should report the truth.

Regards
--
MJR/slef
Free Sat FAQ: http://mjr.towers.org.uk/blog/2006/astefaq

In message ews.net,
MJ Ray writes
You can get all free channels with any DVB-S receiver. FTV are not free.

You seem to have a strange idea of what 'free' means?, free means you
don't pay for them - and you don't pay for the FTV channels.

So you can't get all the free channels on any DVB-S receiver, only the
FTA ones - and those without a proper EPG!.
--
Nigel Goodwin
C.Farmer Ltd.
Matlock

On 22 Dec 2006 17:38:17 GMT, Paul Martin wrote:

|In article ,
| Nigel Goodwin wrote:
| In message ews.net,
| MJ Ray writes
|You can get all free channels with any DVB-S receiver. FTV are not free.
|
| You seem to have a strange idea of what 'free' means?, free means you
| don't pay for them - and you don't pay for the FTV channels.
|
|Free can also be free as in freedom to choose your supplier.
|
| So you can't get all the free channels on any DVB-S receiver, only the
| FTA ones - and those without a proper EPG!.
|
|Depends on what you mean by "free" of course. The minimum cost for the
|FTV channels is a ?20 hire charge once every time the encryption key
|algorithm changes (and the card never belongs to you). That's assuming
|that you've got a box with an NDS decoder in it. If you haven't got an
|appropriate decoder for your receiver, you'll have to buy one, except
|that you can't.

Which *only* gets you Ch4, Ch5, and $ky 3

All BBC and ITV Channels, plus a load more are really *FREE* and can be
received on a generic receiver see: http://www.wickonline.com/fta.htm

--
Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk Sat Ch4, Ch5, only GBP20
http://www.freesatfromsky.com - "what is freesat?" - "view T&C" -
What will I receive "?20 ... one Viewing Card". You will also need
$ky box and dish. List of Channels at http://www.wickonline.com/fta.htm
All BBC & ITV Channels are now FTA and do not need this card,
alternatively hey are receivable with a generic dish and STB.

MJ Ray wrote:

I wouldn't supply and install a dish, mount and cable for ?150, let
alone including the box and card (worth ?120 on their own).

?150 is a bargain in anyone's money.

The quoted price for a DTT receiver doesn't include installation, as far
as I can tell. BBC should quote the satellite price without installation
too.

And not inform them about the cheap installation service available
from Sky? Wonderful.


FTV are not free.

They are if you have a viewing card. Not everyone has paid for their
viewing card and the cost per year over the projected 5 year life of
the card is minimal anyway (£4).


Digital satellite receivers commonly on-sale in the UK start from 80 quid.
BBC should report the truth.

£80 plus installation for FTA channels but no FTV channels and no real
EPG, or £150 fully-inclusive for all the free UK channels plus a full
EPG.

I know which I would chose.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC/ITV reception trouble? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Dave Fawthrop wrote:

Which *only* gets you Ch4, Ch5, and $ky 3

And FiveUS and FiveLife.

Personally I would think the FTV card is worth having just for C4.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC/ITV reception trouble? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

"Jomtien" wrote in message
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MJ Ray wrote:

snip

Digital satellite receivers commonly on-sale in the UK start from
80 quid.
BBC should report the truth.

£80 plus installation for FTA channels but no FTV channels and no
real
EPG, or £150 fully-inclusive for all the free UK channels plus a
full
EPG.

I know which I would chose.


Indeed, and especially if one is talking about those who know little
about the subject, which is most people - heck many are confused by
terms like 28.2 East, 11607V or even which way their terrestrial TV
antenna needs to point!

On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 08:43:21 +0100, Jomtien wrote:

Personally I would think the FTV card is worth having just for C4.

I do.
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Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com