Who manufactures dependable tv's today?

Hi,

Lead is not a serious environmental problem. It is insoluble and doesn't
move.

It's probably too late for you, as per
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnism your IQ has already reduced thanks to
over exposure to lead.

Regards,
--
Stéphane

"Matthew L. Martin" wrote in message
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R Sweeney wrote:
"ZVR" wrote in message
g.com...
Recycling only makes sense when the value of what is recovered exceeds
the total cost of recycling.
Which value? If you only think in today's equivalents, then sure, you're
right. However I am curious what your grand-grandkids will say about you
when they're out of copper, silver, gold, etc to mine for their needs,
knowing full well that you could have re-used a lot of that and leave
them something too but you chose the landfill.

Not everything is about immediate value or ROI you know, and sooner you
and others like you realize that, better off we'll all be.

Then it would be best to remember where the land fills are and to mine
them when (and not before) it makes sense.

The metals in trash aren't going anywhere, best to let them wait for
their value to increase in a nice safe landfill.

Actually, given reasonably soft water and an elevated PH (9 or so) many of
those heavy metals do go somewhere. Usually into aquifers.

How much would you pay to keep lead, cadmium or arsenic out of your
drinking water?

Matthew

You don't understand how landfills are constructed.

"Stéphane Guillard" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Lead is not a serious environmental problem. It is insoluble and doesn't
move.

It's probably too late for you, as per
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnism your IQ has already reduced thanks
to over exposure to lead.

Regards,
--
Stéphane

tin/lead solder in electronics is not a serious environmental problem and
you have pointed out nothing that says it is.

metallic lead is highly insoluble and doesn't move in soil

Read what the CDC says:
"Water: Lead has a tendency to form compounds of low solubility with the
major anions found in natural water"

"Soil: ...The fate of lead in soil is affected by the specific or exchange
adsorption at mineral interfaces, the precipitation of sparingly soluble
solid phases, and the formation of relatively stable organo-metal complexes
or chelates with the organic matter in soil (EPA, 1986; NSF, 1977)."

http://aepo-xdv-www.epo.cdc.gov/wond...05000000000000

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:33:21 -0500, "R Sweeney"
wrote:

Landfills are a quite responsible way to get rid of trash not worth it's
weight in anything.

Shocking attitude... Complete disregard for the environment.

A_C

Gee I only started this thread to see if anyone could recommend a good
tv manufacturer, and to vent some of my gripes of the way consumer
electronics quality and dependability seems to be heading. I did not
intent it to start WW3 or turn into a big political debat.

"Agent_C" wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:33:21 -0500, "R Sweeney"
wrote:

Landfills are a quite responsible way to get rid of trash not worth it's
weight in anything.

Shocking attitude... Complete disregard for the environment.

A_C


Ah yes, the green deity demands that we must recycle worthless stuff no
matter how many other resources it uses?

Like I said, zealotry.

Environmentalism is becoming a religion, and an ignorant and intolerant one
at that.

Let's take an example:
WEEE will cost the UK $1billion per year, adding about 3% to the cost of
electronic goods. It will affect 50,000 tons of electronic waste. That's
$20,000 per ton. For comparison, you can safely dispose of electronic waste
for $5/ton in an engineered landfill.

A loss of $19,995 per ton.... now, THAT'S a genuine waste.

(I am assuming your reply was not sarcasm, if it was, then my reply is those
greenies who are not trying to be funny.)

On 19 Dec 2006 13:21:24 -0800, "ray" wrote:


Gee I only started this thread to see if anyone could recommend a good
tv manufacturer, and to vent some of my gripes of the way consumer
electronics quality and dependability seems to be heading. I did not
intent it to start WW3 or turn into a big political debat.

Welcome to Usenet!! :-)

I posted almost daily to a golf newsgroup for seven years, but it's
so full of political crap now that I gave up.

BTW...I still have 17-inch dual, voltage, multi-system (NTSC, PAL,
Secam, etc) TV that I bought in a military exchange in the mid-80s
that works just fine.

Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx
Home: http://davidclary.com

"Dave Clary" wrote in message
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On 19 Dec 2006 13:21:24 -0800, "ray" wrote:


Gee I only started this thread to see if anyone could recommend a good
tv manufacturer, and to vent some of my gripes of the way consumer
electronics quality and dependability seems to be heading. I did not
intent it to start WW3 or turn into a big political debat.

Welcome to Usenet!! :-)

I posted almost daily to a golf newsgroup for seven years, but it's
so full of political crap now that I gave up.

BTW...I still have 17-inch dual, voltage, multi-system (NTSC, PAL,
Secam, etc) TV that I bought in a military exchange in the mid-80s
that works just fine.

I just had a 22 year old Sony 25XBR die last week... very sad.

It died from a house virus that also killed a 22 yr and 1 day old GE
refrigerator.

R Sweeney wrote:
"Matthew L. Martin" wrote in message
...
R Sweeney wrote:
"ZVR" wrote in message
g.com...
Recycling only makes sense when the value of what is recovered exceeds
the total cost of recycling.
Which value? If you only think in today's equivalents, then sure, you're
right. However I am curious what your grand-grandkids will say about you
when they're out of copper, silver, gold, etc to mine for their needs,
knowing full well that you could have re-used a lot of that and leave
them something too but you chose the landfill.

Not everything is about immediate value or ROI you know, and sooner you
and others like you realize that, better off we'll all be.
Then it would be best to remember where the land fills are and to mine
them when (and not before) it makes sense.

The metals in trash aren't going anywhere, best to let them wait for
their value to increase in a nice safe landfill.
Actually, given reasonably soft water and an elevated PH (9 or so) many of
those heavy metals do go somewhere. Usually into aquifers.

How much would you pay to keep lead, cadmium or arsenic out of your
drinking water?

Matthew

You don't understand how landfills are constructed.

You don't understand how poorly landfills are regulated, inspected and
kept in good repair. Doing a good job of keeping toxics out of aquifers
costs tax money. People like you don't like spending tax dollars for
such things.

Matthew

--
I'm a contractor. If you want an opinion I'll sell you one.
Which one do you want?

R Sweeney wrote:
"Agent_C" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:33:21 -0500, "R Sweeney"
wrote:

Landfills are a quite responsible way to get rid of trash not worth it's
weight in anything.
Shocking attitude... Complete disregard for the environment.

A_C


Ah yes, the green deity demands that we must recycle worthless stuff no
matter how many other resources it uses?

Do you value the absence of toxic metals in your drinking water? What
would you be willing to pay for lead free drinking water?

There is more than one way to "value" recycling.

Matthew

--
I'm a contractor. If you want an opinion I'll sell you one.
Which one do you want?