Tivo Series 3 - How do I transfer programs to/from my old Tivo 2?

I just purchased a brand spanking new Tivo series 3, and activated it
and connected it to my network. The same network that my two Tivo
series 2's are already on.

Problem is that while the two Tivo Series 2's can transfer programs
back and forth between each other, the new Tivo 3 can't.

The Tivo 3 doesn't even see any other Tivo's,and the two Tivo Series
2's cannot see the new Tivo 3.

I have already logged onto my Tivo web site so I could activate the
allow transfer option, but the problem is that it says" NOT CURRENTLY
AVAILABLE", where as the Tivo 2's are listed as "TRANSFERS ALLOWED"

So I called Tivo and explained this to them, and they said it could
take up TO TWO MONTHS for this to start working. They claim it is due
to the "back log" of order's they have received recently.

I don't believe that BS for a second. but I am wondering if anybody
else has experienced this problem or know just what exactly is the
reason I need to wait for 2 months before I can properly use my ONE
THOUSAND DOLLAR TIVO??????? ($800 unit, $200 to transfer lifetime to
it from existing Tivo 2)

I am pretty ****ed at this...

On 2006-12-12, Todd wrote:
I just purchased a brand spanking new Tivo series 3, and activated it
and connected it to my network. The same network that my two Tivo
series 2's are already on.

Problem is that while the two Tivo Series 2's can transfer programs
back and forth between each other, the new Tivo 3 can't.

The Tivo 3 doesn't even see any other Tivo's,and the two Tivo Series
2's cannot see the new Tivo 3.

I have already logged onto my Tivo web site so I could activate the
allow transfer option, but the problem is that it says" NOT CURRENTLY
AVAILABLE", where as the Tivo 2's are listed as "TRANSFERS ALLOWED"

So I called Tivo and explained this to them, and they said it could
take up TO TWO MONTHS for this to start working. They claim it is due
to the "back log" of order's they have received recently.

I don't believe that BS for a second. but I am wondering if anybody
else has experienced this problem or know just what exactly is the
reason I need to wait for 2 months before I can properly use my ONE
THOUSAND DOLLAR TIVO??????? ($800 unit, $200 to transfer lifetime to
it from existing Tivo 2)


You are correct, you shouldn't believe their BS. What you want is
currently not supported and there is NO official timeline for when (and
if) it will be supported. So, while 2 months may be accurate for when
they have HMO/TTG type options working for the S3, 2 days or 2 years could
also be accurate.

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"Todd" shaped the electrons to say:
Problem is that while the two Tivo Series 2's can transfer programs
back and forth between each other, the new Tivo 3 can't.

You don't say?

Someone didn't do any research.

Multi-Room Viewing and TivoToGo are DISABLED on the Series3,
deliberately. There is no timeframe for enabling them.

They are disabled because the Series3 is a CableCARD host device and
CableLabs has not yet approved MRV or TTG. TiVo is working with
CableLabs towards approval, but until the approval is received they
will remain disabled.

TiVo believes they will be able to satisfy CableLabs and receive
approval, but it is possible that it will never happen and the
features will never be enabled.

This is one of the best known facts about the S3.

I'm sure you're even more ****ed now that you know the 'two months'
answer was bull****, and it may be two months, two years, or never.

-MZ
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Something I do not understand.

You say that Tivo has not yet received approval from CableLabs for
Multi-Room-Viewing or Tivo-To-Go.

My question is what does those two features have anything to do with
cable card?

Thats like a Tivo Series 2 needing permission from cable companies for
those features????

That makes no sense. The ability to transfer files from one Tivo to
another, or transferring the video to your PC via Tivo to Go is a Tivo
device option, how does somebody else get to decide if Tivo can do
this?

I could understand if ABC/CBS/NBC/etc.... object to Tivo to Go as it
could be a way to get video to your PC where it may be possible to
remove the DRM, but why would Cable Labs care about these features???

And yes, if you are right, I am really ****ed as well.

I bought these damn Tivo 3's with the full belief that I would be
getting the SAME functionality as Tivo 2's expect it would be in HD.

Todd



MegaZone wrote:
"Todd" shaped the electrons to say:
Problem is that while the two Tivo Series 2's can transfer programs
back and forth between each other, the new Tivo 3 can't.

You don't say?

Someone didn't do any research.

Multi-Room Viewing and TivoToGo are DISABLED on the Series3,
deliberately. There is no timeframe for enabling them.

They are disabled because the Series3 is a CableCARD host device and
CableLabs has not yet approved MRV or TTG. TiVo is working with
CableLabs towards approval, but until the approval is received they
will remain disabled.

TiVo believes they will be able to satisfy CableLabs and receive
approval, but it is possible that it will never happen and the
features will never be enabled.

This is one of the best known facts about the S3.

I'm sure you're even more ****ed now that you know the 'two months'
answer was bull****, and it may be two months, two years, or never.

-MZ
--
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"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-852-2171
URL:http://www.megazone.org/ URL:http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Eris

Before a manufacturer can support HD they have to license the
technology and CableLabs is the gatekeeper. The equipment it will be
used on must be certified by CableLabs and they will not certify a
TiVo with ttgo. This is to "protect" the content.

IMHO, you will see the file transfer in Microsoft boxes (Vista) long
before you see it in TiVo.


"Todd" wrote:

Something I do not understand.

You say that Tivo has not yet received approval from CableLabs for
Multi-Room-Viewing or Tivo-To-Go.

My question is what does those two features have anything to do with
cable card?

Thats like a Tivo Series 2 needing permission from cable companies for
those features????

That makes no sense. The ability to transfer files from one Tivo to
another, or transferring the video to your PC via Tivo to Go is a Tivo
device option, how does somebody else get to decide if Tivo can do
this?

I could understand if ABC/CBS/NBC/etc.... object to Tivo to Go as it
could be a way to get video to your PC where it may be possible to
remove the DRM, but why would Cable Labs care about these features???

And yes, if you are right, I am really ****ed as well.

I bought these damn Tivo 3's with the full belief that I would be
getting the SAME functionality as Tivo 2's expect it would be in HD.

Todd



MegaZone wrote:
"Todd" shaped the electrons to say:
Problem is that while the two Tivo Series 2's can transfer programs
back and forth between each other, the new Tivo 3 can't.

You don't say?

Someone didn't do any research.

Multi-Room Viewing and TivoToGo are DISABLED on the Series3,
deliberately. There is no timeframe for enabling them.

They are disabled because the Series3 is a CableCARD host device and
CableLabs has not yet approved MRV or TTG. TiVo is working with
CableLabs towards approval, but until the approval is received they
will remain disabled.

TiVo believes they will be able to satisfy CableLabs and receive
approval, but it is possible that it will never happen and the
features will never be enabled.

This is one of the best known facts about the S3.

I'm sure you're even more ****ed now that you know the 'two months'
answer was bull****, and it may be two months, two years, or never.

-MZ
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"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-852-2171
URL:http://www.megazone.org/ URL:http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Eris

Ahh,

Ok, that is what I did not understand from the previous poster; in what
way CableLabs is involved in this.

Ok, so it is because of HD content.

So why can't Tivo simply only allow MRV and TTG on non HD content?

Since those functions are already available on older (non HD of course)
Tivo's, I don't understand why they don't just program the Tivo 3 to
now allow the transfer (via either MRV or TTG) if the content is HD,
but allow it if the content is non-HD.

I couldn't personally care less about TTG, but the idea was to replace
my two existing (and networked) Tivo 2's with two new Tivo 3's. and I
did not expect the lose the function that I use on a DAILY basis, and
that is to transfer shows from the living room Tivo to the bedroom Tivo
so I can finish some movie before I go to sleep.

So now I have paid $2000 (if you count $800*2, and $200*2 for
activation), and the devices are basically worthless to me.

I am still using my Tivo 2's since they allow me to transfer shows back
and forth. The Tivo 3's are plugged in, and are doing nothing else but
sucking up electricity....

I am so glad I just wasted $2000 for absolutely nothing...

Todd


Stewart Berman wrote:
Before a manufacturer can support HD they have to license the
technology and CableLabs is the gatekeeper. The equipment it will be
used on must be certified by CableLabs and they will not certify a
TiVo with ttgo. This is to "protect" the content.

IMHO, you will see the file transfer in Microsoft boxes (Vista) long
before you see it in TiVo.


"Todd" wrote:

Something I do not understand.

You say that Tivo has not yet received approval from CableLabs for
Multi-Room-Viewing or Tivo-To-Go.

My question is what does those two features have anything to do with
cable card?

Thats like a Tivo Series 2 needing permission from cable companies for
those features????

That makes no sense. The ability to transfer files from one Tivo to
another, or transferring the video to your PC via Tivo to Go is a Tivo
device option, how does somebody else get to decide if Tivo can do
this?

I could understand if ABC/CBS/NBC/etc.... object to Tivo to Go as it
could be a way to get video to your PC where it may be possible to
remove the DRM, but why would Cable Labs care about these features???

And yes, if you are right, I am really ****ed as well.

I bought these damn Tivo 3's with the full belief that I would be
getting the SAME functionality as Tivo 2's expect it would be in HD.

Todd



MegaZone wrote:
"Todd" shaped the electrons to say:
Problem is that while the two Tivo Series 2's can transfer programs
back and forth between each other, the new Tivo 3 can't.

You don't say?

Someone didn't do any research.

Multi-Room Viewing and TivoToGo are DISABLED on the Series3,
deliberately. There is no timeframe for enabling them.

They are disabled because the Series3 is a CableCARD host device and
CableLabs has not yet approved MRV or TTG. TiVo is working with
CableLabs towards approval, but until the approval is received they
will remain disabled.

TiVo believes they will be able to satisfy CableLabs and receive
approval, but it is possible that it will never happen and the
features will never be enabled.

This is one of the best known facts about the S3.

I'm sure you're even more ****ed now that you know the 'two months'
answer was bull****, and it may be two months, two years, or never.

-MZ
--
URL:mailto:megazoneatmegazone.org Gweep, Discordian, Author, Engineer, me.
"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-852-2171
URL:http://www.megazone.org/ URL:http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Eris

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:29:23 -0800, Todd wrote:

Ok, that is what I did not understand from the previous poster; in what
way CableLabs is involved in this.

Ok, so it is because of HD content.

No. HD has nothing to do with it.

So why can't Tivo simply only allow MRV and TTG on non HD content?

Because of DRM.

Since those functions are already available on older (non HD of course)
Tivo's, I don't understand why they don't just program the Tivo 3 to now
allow the transfer (via either MRV or TTG) if the content is HD, but
allow it if the content is non-HD.

But the older boxes don't fall into the same category. They don't replace
the cable box like the S3 does.

I couldn't personally care less about TTG, but the idea was to replace
my two existing (and networked) Tivo 2's with two new Tivo 3's. and I
did not expect the lose the function that I use on a DAILY basis, and
that is to transfer shows from the living room Tivo to the bedroom Tivo
so I can finish some movie before I go to sleep.

From the start, Tivos were designed as personal recorders. The file
transfers was just something added. For multi room viewing a client server
based system is the only way to go. That way you can view the show on any
client on the network without transfering the file. It's designed for just
what you want to do. I'm not sure about others, but that what MythTV is.
You can watch anything recorded on any machine. If you have tuners in more
than one machine, you can even use the tuner in one machine to watch Tv on
another machine.

So now I have paid $2000 (if you count $800*2, and $200*2 for
activation), and the devices are basically worthless to me.

My whole network was less than half that. And it works.:-)

I am still using my Tivo 2's since they allow me to transfer shows back
and forth. The Tivo 3's are plugged in, and are doing nothing else but
sucking up electricity....

I am so glad I just wasted $2000 for absolutely nothing...

It's been known from the start that TTG and MRV was not in the S3's.
You've got no one to be mad at but yourself, or maybe someone that mislead
you. I doubt if you'll ever see either feature approved for release. And
if it is, I'm not sure how long it'll take to transfer HD shows with the
S3's. probably about 7 times longer than an SD show

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Todd wrote:
Ahh,

Ok, that is what I did not understand from the previous poster; in what
way CableLabs is involved in this.

Ok, so it is because of HD content.

So why can't Tivo simply only allow MRV and TTG on non HD content?

Since those functions are already available on older (non HD of course)
Tivo's, I don't understand why they don't just program the Tivo 3 to
now allow the transfer (via either MRV or TTG) if the content is HD,
but allow it if the content is non-HD.

I couldn't personally care less about TTG, but the idea was to replace
my two existing (and networked) Tivo 2's with two new Tivo 3's. and I
did not expect the lose the function that I use on a DAILY basis, and
that is to transfer shows from the living room Tivo to the bedroom Tivo
so I can finish some movie before I go to sleep.

So now I have paid $2000 (if you count $800*2, and $200*2 for
activation), and the devices are basically worthless to me.

I am still using my Tivo 2's since they allow me to transfer shows back
and forth. The Tivo 3's are plugged in, and are doing nothing else but
sucking up electricity....

I am so glad I just wasted $2000 for absolutely nothing...

Todd


Stewart Berman wrote:
Before a manufacturer can support HD they have to license the
technology and CableLabs is the gatekeeper. The equipment it will be
used on must be certified by CableLabs and they will not certify a
TiVo with ttgo. This is to "protect" the content.

IMHO, you will see the file transfer in Microsoft boxes (Vista) long
before you see it in TiVo.


"Todd" wrote:

Something I do not understand.

You say that Tivo has not yet received approval from CableLabs for
Multi-Room-Viewing or Tivo-To-Go.

My question is what does those two features have anything to do with
cable card?

Thats like a Tivo Series 2 needing permission from cable companies for
those features????

That makes no sense. The ability to transfer files from one Tivo to
another, or transferring the video to your PC via Tivo to Go is a Tivo
device option, how does somebody else get to decide if Tivo can do
this?

I could understand if ABC/CBS/NBC/etc.... object to Tivo to Go as it
could be a way to get video to your PC where it may be possible to
remove the DRM, but why would Cable Labs care about these features???

And yes, if you are right, I am really ****ed as well.

I bought these damn Tivo 3's with the full belief that I would be
getting the SAME functionality as Tivo 2's expect it would be in HD.

Todd



MegaZone wrote:
"Todd" shaped the electrons to say:
Problem is that while the two Tivo Series 2's can transfer programs
back and forth between each other, the new Tivo 3 can't.
You don't say?

Someone didn't do any research.

Multi-Room Viewing and TivoToGo are DISABLED on the Series3,
deliberately. There is no timeframe for enabling them.

They are disabled because the Series3 is a CableCARD host device and
CableLabs has not yet approved MRV or TTG. TiVo is working with
CableLabs towards approval, but until the approval is received they
will remain disabled.

TiVo believes they will be able to satisfy CableLabs and receive
approval, but it is possible that it will never happen and the
features will never be enabled.

This is one of the best known facts about the S3.

I'm sure you're even more ****ed now that you know the 'two months'
answer was bull****, and it may be two months, two years, or never.

-MZ
--
URL:mailto:megazoneatmegazone.org Gweep, Discordian, Author, Engineer, me.
"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-852-2171
URL:http://www.megazone.org/ URL:http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Eris

Why don't you use them the way they are designed. Record the shows on
the box and watch them on the TV that is hooked to it. Yes being able
to transfer them would be nice but it's not like they are useless.

Now I'm getting confused.

I had thought that the cable cards were there to decrypt encrypted
channels. The channels I watch are unencrypted. (I haven't gotten
into HD yet. Are *all* the HD channels encrypted?)

What if the S3 allows TTG for shows that were recorded unencryptedly,
and argue about the encrypted shows tomorrow.

Would that satisfy CableLabs?



Wes Newell wrote:
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:29:23 -0800, Todd wrote:

Ok, that is what I did not understand from the previous poster; in what
way CableLabs is involved in this.

Ok, so it is because of HD content.

No. HD has nothing to do with it.

So why can't Tivo simply only allow MRV and TTG on non HD content?

Because of DRM.

Since those functions are already available on older (non HD of course)
Tivo's, I don't understand why they don't just program the Tivo 3 to now
allow the transfer (via either MRV or TTG) if the content is HD, but
allow it if the content is non-HD.

But the older boxes don't fall into the same category. They don't replace
the cable box like the S3 does.

I couldn't personally care less about TTG, but the idea was to replace
my two existing (and networked) Tivo 2's with two new Tivo 3's. and I
did not expect the lose the function that I use on a DAILY basis, and
that is to transfer shows from the living room Tivo to the bedroom Tivo
so I can finish some movie before I go to sleep.

From the start, Tivos were designed as personal recorders. The file
transfers was just something added. For multi room viewing a client server
based system is the only way to go. That way you can view the show on any
client on the network without transfering the file. It's designed for just
what you want to do. I'm not sure about others, but that what MythTV is.
You can watch anything recorded on any machine. If you have tuners in more
than one machine, you can even use the tuner in one machine to watch Tv on
another machine.

So now I have paid $2000 (if you count $800*2, and $200*2 for
activation), and the devices are basically worthless to me.

My whole network was less than half that. And it works.:-)

I am still using my Tivo 2's since they allow me to transfer shows back
and forth. The Tivo 3's are plugged in, and are doing nothing else but
sucking up electricity....

I am so glad I just wasted $2000 for absolutely nothing...

It's been known from the start that TTG and MRV was not in the S3's.
You've got no one to be mad at but yourself, or maybe someone that mislead
you. I doubt if you'll ever see either feature approved for release. And
if it is, I'm not sure how long it'll take to transfer HD shows with the
S3's. probably about 7 times longer than an SD show



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--way around. After all, we are here to serve them.

Once upon a time, Bruce said:
I had thought that the cable cards were there to decrypt encrypted
channels. The channels I watch are unencrypted. (I haven't gotten
into HD yet. Are *all* the HD channels encrypted?)

No. Cable channel encryption and HD are not directly related.

What is called "digital" cable is typically encrypted (typically
channels above 125 on the tuner). The original "analog" cable channels
(2-125 IIRC) are in the clear and can be received by any cable-ready
receiver, but the digital channels require a decoder. One way of
decoding them is to use a CableCard tuner and authorized CableCard.

Since HD is typically only included as part of a digital cable package,
and since HD is digital by definition, most HD channels are encrypted
and require a CableCard to receive.

However, at least in some areas, local network HD channels (that can be
received over the air as well) are carried in the clear. These can be
received by any QAM tuner without a CableCard. I _think_ this is
mandated by the FCC, but I'm not sure.

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