Sony KDL-52XBR3 vs. Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1

"RicSeyler" wrote in message
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Nominal wrote:

"RicSeyler" wrote in message
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That's why there is more than 1 choice in technologies......
You couldn't give me an LCD..... well I guess you could give me one! LOL



Okay, so you're a closed-minded pinhead.


LOLOLOLOL!!



The weaknesses of Plasma don't outweigh the weaknesses of LCD to me.
And like I said I'm waiting for the next SXRD displays, so I'm not
buying either.



well, your so-called weaknesses weren't validly applied to modern
technology. If you don't want to look, fine. But don't act like you know
what you're talking about. You've not addressed anything I've mentioned.
In fact, I'd wager that you've not seen either set, and are basing your
conclusions on old and invalid data and your narrow-minded biases. I've
seen both, I played with both extensively. I considered how and where the
sets I was getting were to be used and felt the LCD was a better decision.
Like I said, in a dark room I'd probably go plasma.


When you are saying "Old Technology" are you talking 2 months ago? Or
last week? LOL
There have just been a couple LCD's released in the last 6 weeks or so
that are addressing
these known and well publicized issues with LCD. As best they can at the
moment. And iffin
you read my original post the new Sony has addresses some of these.

Well, the smaller xbr2's (40 and 46") have been out since summer, and like
their big brother released last month, do an excellent job of addressing
those issues.


Might want to look into your statement a tad there, man.
Look up reviews on LCD flat panels. From Home Theater Magazine site,
Wide Screen Review site,
Perfect Vision site, Sound and Vision site, AVS Forum. See what ALL of
them say about off axis, motion
artifacts and most important black levels..... I didn't pull this stuff
out of the ether......
It's also a case of "You gonna believe me or your lying eyes" LOL You a
Bush supporter also man?! j/k ;-)

Right...so you're admitting you've never seen ANY of these sets. NONE of
them have any issues with off axis. It is 100% a non-issue. As far as black
levels, plasma definitely has better absolute black levels...important in a
dark room...but the dynamic levels of the LCD are generally better in a
bright room, as the reviewers will agree. I've read those sites, with a big
grain of salt...face it, you'll find some folks on those sites who will tout
the benefits of expensive digital cables and other similar snake oil
nonsense.

I read. I understand the technology. And I've actually looked and tested,
a crucial step which seems to lack importance to you.

and you've still not mentioned once the reflectivity of the plasma screen in
a bright room.




p.s. I never audition anything at a big box store.



Ooooh, you're an elitist as well.

Ummm no, you insinuated that's what I do.... PFFFFFFFFFTTTTT
slaps knee

No, you semi-literate ass, I inferred it. You implied it. If you're
looking at dropping a ****load of money on a television and need to compare
them, it makes sense to check them out in as many different environments as
possible, particularly when the controlled environment in the high-end store
bears know resemblance whatsoever to the lighting conditions in the average
living room.


I certainly wouldn't recommend only
checking at a BB or a CC since they have little ability to feed good
consistent signals to their gear and they rarely have much knowledge. Of
course, the salesmen at the boutiques are foten as ignorant, but they'll
try
and pretend they know what they're doing.


That's why it pays to be as knowledgeable or more knowledgeable on what
you are looking for
than the drones, before even stepping into the store.

But like I said before, that's why there is more than one choice in the
world.
I'm just saying I wouldn't spend my money on one, at least at this
development point of the technology.




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Thank you both for your help. I live in S. Florida and have to windows
in the room where the TV will be (though neither window will face the
tv - one will be behind it to the left and one will be to the side
perpendicular). The pricing is pretty comparable. Is it really just a
question of lighting in the room? I am going to get a high definition
DirectTv receiver for either of them and a Bluray and I have a surround
system so I wouldn't use the speakers that come with it anyway. Am I
correct in my assumption that the built in tuner and speakers are
non-issues for me?

The built-in tuner is probably a non-issue, alhough I find the OTA HD seems
a bit less processed and compressed than the DTV version of local stations,
so the tuner can be a handy thing (also for when your sat goes out).
Speakers are also probably not a problem.

As for the windows, check the light on a sunny day at different times...late
afternoon winter sun can hit in some strange places! Reflections from room
lighting are usually easily dealt with by a bit of a tilt in mounting the
set, but sunny windows, and reflections of the light off other items in the
room can be very distracting. the LCD gives a lot more flexibility with
this. I was putting a 46" LCD in my friend's bedroom the other day, and
there was direct sun hitting one corner of it (from a bathroom window
hitting a shower door and reflecting into the bedroom. Yes, I did end up
closing the door to eliminate it...but despite the bright spot on the wall
and frame of the XBR2 LCD, the light was not a distraction on the screen.

The other thing to consider is installation 100 lbs. is easier to hang and
mount than 200+ if you're doing it yourself.


I would wait for HDMI 1.3 but once that comes out then I could wait for
Laser technology instead of Plasma or LCD and once that comes out I
could wait for lunar technology brought down from the new international
space station which will have been built on the moon by the time I
finally buy something - So I want to upgrade already even at the risk
of being an early adopter and overpaying for technology that will be
superceded in 8 months.

The TV is a better bet for still being great in a year than the bluray!




Nominal wrote:
"RicSeyler" wrote in message
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That's why there is more than 1 choice in technologies......
You couldn't give me an LCD..... well I guess you could give me one!
LOL

Okay, so you're a closed-minded pinhead.


The weaknesses of Plasma don't outweigh the weaknesses of LCD to me.
And like I said I'm waiting for the next SXRD displays, so I'm not
buying either.

well, your so-called weaknesses weren't validly applied to modern
technology. If you don't want to look, fine. But don't act like you
know
what you're talking about. You've not addressed anything I've mentioned.
In fact, I'd wager that you've not seen either set, and are basing your
conclusions on old and invalid data and your narrow-minded biases. I've
seen both, I played with both extensively. I considered how and where
the
sets I was getting were to be used and felt the LCD was a better
decision.
Like I said, in a dark room I'd probably go plasma.


p.s. I never audition anything at a big box store.

Ooooh, you're an elitist as well. I certainly wouldn't recommend only
checking at a BB or a CC since they have little ability to feed good
consistent signals to their gear and they rarely have much knowledge. Of
course, the salesmen at the boutiques are foten as ignorant, but they'll
try
and pretend they know what they're doing.


Nominal wrote:

"RicSeyler" wrote in message
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Humm.... LCD Owner? LOL



Hot damn, a guy who knows absolutely **** leads off with an ad hominem
attack. No, not an LCD owner, nor a plasma.

I used to not like LCD's either. I've recently researched them
extensively
for a big installation for a friend. The LCD vs. plasma reflection
issue
was painfully obvious at a smaller circuit city store near me, where
several
big flat panels were positioned opposite the front door. The LCDs (the
new
sammy and sony 46" LCD's looked really nice, despite the afternoon sun.
The
plasmas were all so reflective I could identify brands of cars speeding
by
on the highway outside, and the reflecions were very distracting to
what
was
otherwise a very good picture.

If you want to hunker down in a blackout room, go plasma.

If you're putting a set in a living room with two or three walls of
windows,
go LCD.

On the 46 and 52" XBR2 LCD's, the viewing angle is fantastic for a full
178
degrees. No color washout whatsoever. Black levels/back lighting work
better than the plasma in a bright room (even one without direct
reflections). Motion artifacts are non-existent to my eyes.

Check out the sets at a good home theater store...despite a much more
careful setup than what you get at BB or CC, you'll still get
reflectons
on
the plasma screens.

SO again, I ask where is the set to be installed.



Nominal wrote:



"RicSeyler" wrote in message
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I don't like LCD's...... Poor Black Levels, Poor Off Axis viewing,
Motion
Artifacts...
Although that Sony has supposedly addressed some of that stuff.




You're living in the past. All that is very good to excellent on the
Sony
LCD. Most LCD's over the last few years have 170 degree or more
viewing
angles, and the sony is as 180 degree as you can go.





Iffin you are picking between the two I definitely go with the
Pioneer
Plasma.
(accepts1080p & 1920x1080 rez, the final step plasmas have been
needing)




Bull spit...it all depends. The Pioneer has a marginally better
picture
in
some applications, but not most by any means. In a very dark room,
the
Pioneer is better. The Sony is much better in a bright room, and if
there
are direct light reflections the Pioneer sucks hard...the reflective
glass
surface is such a great mirror you can shave off it. In a normal
living
room with windows the sony is much better.

The Pioneer has no tuner if that matters for OTA reception. The
larger
Sony
has more inputs. The Sony isn't light at just over 100 lbs., but the
Pioneer is over 200 lbs., so the Sony is easily enough handled by two
people
for self-installation. The sony is about $1.5k less, plus you pay
extra
for
the stand for the pioneer if you want that. Also, the Sony should
have
steeper discounts more quickly since it does have direct competition
from
Samsung and Sharp in the 52" LCD market.

Of course, you can always wait. there will always be better sets for
less
money in the future...but then you'll never get a tv.





It's an off time to buy a display for me, I am holding out til
spring
or
so.
I waiting for the Sony SXRD A2000 (or it's new equivalent) to get
the
soft
picture
problem sorted out and hoping for a new release early next year or
so.
the
XBR
version has no problems but I'd like to save a couple grand :-)

Myself and 3 of my friends are playing the waiting game for new
displays
at the moment.




Maybe you'll learn a few things about the current displays before
spouting
off nonsense like problems with viewing angles.





wrote:





I am about to buy a 1080p 50/52 inch Monitor. I am going back and
forth between the Sony KDL-52XBR3 and the Elite PRO-FHD1. These
are
in
my mind the best Plasma and LCD televisions available. I'd be
interested in some advice as to a comparison and the pros and cons
of
buying each.

Thank you in advance.






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Nominal wrote:

"RicSeyler" wrote in message
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Nominal wrote:



"RicSeyler" wrote in message
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That's why there is more than 1 choice in technologies......
You couldn't give me an LCD..... well I guess you could give me one! LOL




Okay, so you're a closed-minded pinhead.




LOLOLOLOL!!





The weaknesses of Plasma don't outweigh the weaknesses of LCD to me.
And like I said I'm waiting for the next SXRD displays, so I'm not
buying either.




well, your so-called weaknesses weren't validly applied to modern
technology. If you don't want to look, fine. But don't act like you know
what you're talking about. You've not addressed anything I've mentioned.
In fact, I'd wager that you've not seen either set, and are basing your
conclusions on old and invalid data and your narrow-minded biases. I've
seen both, I played with both extensively. I considered how and where the
sets I was getting were to be used and felt the LCD was a better decision.
Like I said, in a dark room I'd probably go plasma.




When you are saying "Old Technology" are you talking 2 months ago? Or
last week? LOL
There have just been a couple LCD's released in the last 6 weeks or so
that are addressing
these known and well publicized issues with LCD. As best they can at the
moment. And iffin
you read my original post the new Sony has addresses some of these.



Well, the smaller xbr2's (40 and 46") have been out since summer, and like
their big brother released last month, do an excellent job of addressing
those issues.



Much better, but I wouldn't say excellent.

Might want to look into your statement a tad there, man.
Look up reviews on LCD flat panels. From Home Theater Magazine site,
Wide Screen Review site,
Perfect Vision site, Sound and Vision site, AVS Forum. See what ALL of
them say about off axis, motion
artifacts and most important black levels..... I didn't pull this stuff
out of the ether......
It's also a case of "You gonna believe me or your lying eyes" LOL You a
Bush supporter also man?! j/k ;-)



Right...so you're admitting you've never seen ANY of these sets.

LOL How did you twist what I said into that?

NONE of
them have any issues with off axis. It is 100% a non-issue. As far as black
levels, plasma definitely has better absolute black levels...important in a
dark room...but the dynamic levels of the LCD are generally better in a
bright room, as the reviewers will agree. I've read those sites, with a big
grain of salt...face it, you'll find some folks on those sites who will tout
the benefits of expensive digital cables and other similar snake oil
nonsense.


I know I'll get flamed on this, but there is a place for quality
specialty cabling. But not
in the price point of the components you and I or the other mortals here
can afford without
raiding the kids college fund. :-)
I'm setting a theater for a friend and got everything we needed at
MonoPrice without breaking
the bank. (Hundred foot of their in-wall 12ga and 50 ft of the reg 12ga,
20 ft Sub RCA, couple HDMI cables, a Component and a TosLink) And I'm
happy with them.
Cuz we ain't hooking up a Krell, Nautilus, Runco system :-)

I read. I understand the technology. And I've actually looked and tested,
a crucial step which seems to lack importance to you.


Again how did you twist what I said into that?

and you've still not mentioned once the reflectivity of the plasma screen in
a bright room.


Because that's not a deal breaker with me.

But hey man, I've enjoyed the thread, we just have different views, such
is the way of the world :-)
You probably can't get anything more subjective than this stuff...
outside of Art or Music I guess.





p.s. I never audition anything at a big box store.




Ooooh, you're an elitist as well.



Ummm no, you insinuated that's what I do.... PFFFFFFFFFTTTTT
slaps knee



No, you semi-literate ass, I inferred it. You implied it. If you're
looking at dropping a ****load of money on a television and need to compare
them, it makes sense to check them out in as many different environments as
possible, particularly when the controlled environment in the high-end store
bears know resemblance whatsoever to the lighting conditions in the average
living room.



I certainly wouldn't recommend only
checking at a BB or a CC since they have little ability to feed good
consistent signals to their gear and they rarely have much knowledge. Of
course, the salesmen at the boutiques are foten as ignorant, but they'll
try
and pretend they know what they're doing.




That's why it pays to be as knowledgeable or more knowledgeable on what
you are looking for
than the drones, before even stepping into the store.

But like I said before, that's why there is more than one choice in the
world.
I'm just saying I wouldn't spend my money on one, at least at this
development point of the technology.





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I appreciate your continued help and opinions. I am going to go view
the two side by side and also spend some time monitoring light
conditions in the room. Given the discussion maybe I should even wait
until HDMI 1.3 comes out (any idea how long that will be?)

I know I'll get flamed on this, but there is a place for quality
specialty cabling. But notbr
in the price point of the components you and I or the other mortals
here can afford withoutbr
raiding the kids college fund. :-)br
I'm setting a theater for a friend and got everything we needed at
MonoPrice without breakingbr
the bank. (Hundred foot of their in-wall 12ga and 50 ft of the reg 12ga,br
20 ft Sub RCA, couple HDMI cables, a Component and a TosLink) And I'm
happy with them.br
Cuz we ain't hooking up a Krell, Nautilus, Runco system :-)br

Coincidently, I have a Krell 2 channel amplifier for the front speakers
and B&W Matrix (not Nautilus) speakers. My surround amp/processor is a
Denon THX/DTS/Dolby unit and I think is the weak point in my system.


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wrote:

I appreciate your continued help and opinions. I am going to go view
the two side by side and also spend some time monitoring light
conditions in the room.

You just gave yourself the best advise going. :-)
What looks good to you. But it's always a plus to know what to look for.

Given the discussion maybe I should even wait
until HDMI 1.3 comes out (any idea how long that will be?)


I was reading the new Home Theater Mag last night and I think saw in one
review that HDMI 1.1
will pass DTS-HD Master Audio & Dolby TrueHD uncompressed. Can anyone
else here confirm this?
I was thinking it required 1.3.

HDMI 1.3 was announced in the mags a couple months ago. So it should
start showing
up in the next ver of displays & components. I'd guess mid year 07.

I know I'll get flamed on this, but there is a place for quality
specialty cabling. But notbr
in the price point of the components you and I or the other mortals
here can afford withoutbr
raiding the kids college fund. :-)br
I'm setting a theater for a friend and got everything we needed at
MonoPrice without breakingbr
the bank. (Hundred foot of their in-wall 12ga and 50 ft of the reg 12ga,br
20 ft Sub RCA, couple HDMI cables, a Component and a TosLink) And I'm
happy with them.br
Cuz we ain't hooking up a Krell, Nautilus, Runco system :-)br



Coincidently, I have a Krell 2 channel amplifier for the front speakers
and B&W Matrix (not Nautilus) speakers. My surround amp/processor is a
Denon THX/DTS/Dolby unit and I think is the weak point in my system.

Nice, ! That Denon processor should be up to the task.


You are approaching the point of diminishing return. You would have to
spend a few grand
to hear an appreciable difference with another processor, like the
"mid-level" Anthem, Arcam, Lexicon, etc.
So it might be the weak link but it ain't that weak. hehehehe

But ya know what ya should do....... go get the Lexicon processor, a 3
channel Krell and while you are out might as
well pick up 5 of the B&W 800 Diamonds. :-) don't we all wish;-


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Just got back from the store. Watched the two side by side. They are
both phenomenal. There was a good amount of glare reflecting off of
the Pioneer in the store (there was florescent lighting and a window
facing the screen). The Pioneer did seem to have a more natural color.
The Sony was extremely sharp but the colors did seem a little bit more
cartoonish. I don't think you can go wrong with either set. Now I am
going to go back and reexamine lighting conditions in the room where
the tv is going to go. If the reflections and glare approach that of
what I saw in the showroom, I think I am going to go with the Sony. If
not - probably the Pioneer. The salesman said that HDMI 1.3 is more
relevant for audio than video and that if I was going to hold off on
something, it should be upgrading my processor. Does this seem
accurate?

Thank you in advance for your continued assistance!



RicSeyler wrote:
wrote:

I appreciate your continued help and opinions. I am going to go view
the two side by side and also spend some time monitoring light
conditions in the room.

You just gave yourself the best advise going. :-)
What looks good to you. But it's always a plus to know what to look for.

Given the discussion maybe I should even wait
until HDMI 1.3 comes out (any idea how long that will be?)


I was reading the new Home Theater Mag last night and I think saw in one
review that HDMI 1.1
will pass DTS-HD Master Audio & Dolby TrueHD uncompressed. Can anyone
else here confirm this?
I was thinking it required 1.3.

HDMI 1.3 was announced in the mags a couple months ago. So it should
start showing
up in the next ver of displays & components. I'd guess mid year 07.

I know I'll get flamed on this, but there is a place for quality
specialty cabling. But notbr
in the price point of the components you and I or the other mortals
here can afford withoutbr
raiding the kids college fund. :-)br
I'm setting a theater for a friend and got everything we needed at
MonoPrice without breakingbr
the bank. (Hundred foot of their in-wall 12ga and 50 ft of the reg 12ga,br
20 ft Sub RCA, couple HDMI cables, a Component and a TosLink) And I'm
happy with them.br
Cuz we ain't hooking up a Krell, Nautilus, Runco system :-)br



Coincidently, I have a Krell 2 channel amplifier for the front speakers
and B&W Matrix (not Nautilus) speakers. My surround amp/processor is a
Denon THX/DTS/Dolby unit and I think is the weak point in my system.

Nice, ! That Denon processor should be up to the task.


You are approaching the point of diminishing return. You would have to
spend a few grand
to hear an appreciable difference with another processor, like the
"mid-level" Anthem, Arcam, Lexicon, etc.
So it might be the weak link but it ain't that weak. hehehehe

But ya know what ya should do....... go get the Lexicon processor, a 3
channel Krell and while you are out might as
well pick up 5 of the B&W 800 Diamonds. :-) don't we all wish;-


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I was thinking it required 1.3.br
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I'm setting a theater for a friend and got everything we needed at
MonoPrice without breaking<br>
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Nice, ! That Denon processor should be up to the task.
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So it might be the weak link but it ain't that weak. hehehehebr
br
But ya know what ya should do....... go get the Lexicon processor, a 3
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wrote:

Just got back from the store. Watched the two side by side. They are
both phenomenal. There was a good amount of glare reflecting off of
the Pioneer in the store (there was florescent lighting and a window
facing the screen). The Pioneer did seem to have a more natural color.
The Sony was extremely sharp but the colors did seem a little bit more
cartoonish. I don't think you can go wrong with either set. Now I am
going to go back and reexamine lighting conditions in the room where
the tv is going to go. If the reflections and glare approach that of
what I saw in the showroom, I think I am going to go with the Sony. If
not - probably the Pioneer.

Wise shopping!

The salesman said that HDMI 1.3 is more
relevant for audio than video and that if I was going to hold off on
something, it should be upgrading my processor. Does this seem
accurate?


Yea, 1.3 has video relevance, but not til the new HD color gamut/space
is implemented, which
from what I understand is waaaay off. So the relevance is sound for now
(passing HD DTS & DD).
Like I said now I'm NOT 100% sure that 1.1 WON'T pass the new HD DTS & DD.

Yea I don't think your processor needs replaced, unless you want to drop
a several grand on a better one.

Thank you in advance for your continued assistance!


No prob, man! :-)



RicSeyler wrote:


wrote:



I appreciate your continued help and opinions. I am going to go view
the two side by side and also spend some time monitoring light
conditions in the room.



You just gave yourself the best advise going. :-)
What looks good to you. But it's always a plus to know what to look for.



Given the discussion maybe I should even wait
until HDMI 1.3 comes out (any idea how long that will be?)




I was reading the new Home Theater Mag last night and I think saw in one
review that HDMI 1.1
will pass DTS-HD Master Audio & Dolby TrueHD uncompressed. Can anyone
else here confirm this?
I was thinking it required 1.3.

HDMI 1.3 was announced in the mags a couple months ago. So it should
start showing
up in the next ver of displays & components. I'd guess mid year 07.



I know I'll get flamed on this, but there is a place for quality
specialty cabling. But notbr
in the price point of the components you and I or the other mortals
here can afford withoutbr
raiding the kids college fund. :-)br
I'm setting a theater for a friend and got everything we needed at
MonoPrice without breakingbr
the bank. (Hundred foot of their in-wall 12ga and 50 ft of the reg 12ga,br
20 ft Sub RCA, couple HDMI cables, a Component and a TosLink) And I'm
happy with them.br
Cuz we ain't hooking up a Krell, Nautilus, Runco system :-)br




Coincidently, I have a Krell 2 channel amplifier for the front speakers
and B&W Matrix (not Nautilus) speakers. My surround amp/processor is a
Denon THX/DTS/Dolby unit and I think is the weak point in my system.

Nice, ! That Denon processor should be up to the task.




You are approaching the point of diminishing return. You would have to
spend a few grand
to hear an appreciable difference with another processor, like the
"mid-level" Anthem, Arcam, Lexicon, etc.
So it might be the weak link but it ain't that weak. hehehehe

But ya know what ya should do....... go get the Lexicon processor, a 3
channel Krell and while you are out might as
well pick up 5 of the B&W 800 Diamonds. :-) don't we all wish;-


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egroups.com"
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pre wrap=""I appreciate your continued help and opinions. I am going to go view
the two side by side and also spend some time monitoring light
conditions in the room. /pre
/blockquote
You just gave yourself the best advise going. :-)br
What looks good to you. But it's always a plus to know what to look for.br
blockquote
egroups.com"
type="cite"
pre wrap=""Given the discussion maybe I should even wait
until HDMI 1.3 comes out (any idea how long that will be?)
/pre
/blockquote
I was reading the new Home Theater Mag last night and I think saw in
one review that HDMI 1.1br
will pass DTS-HD Master Audio & Dolby TrueHD uncompressed. Can
anyone else here confirm this?br
I was thinking it required 1.3.br
br
HDMI 1.3 was announced in the mags a couple months ago. So it should
start showingbr
up in the next ver of displays & components.  I'd guess mid year 07.br
br
blockquote
egroups.com"
type="cite"
blockquote type="cite"
pre wrap=""I know I'll get flamed on this, but there is a place for quality
specialty cabling. But not<br>
in the price point of the components you and I or the other mortals
here can afford without<br>
raiding the kids college fund. :-)<br>
I'm setting a theater for a friend and got everything we needed at
MonoPrice without breaking<br>
the bank. (Hundred foot of their in-wall 12ga and 50 ft of the reg 12ga,<br>
20 ft Sub RCA, couple HDMI cables, a Component and a TosLink) And I'm
happy with them.<br>
Cuz we ain't hooking up a Krell, Nautilus, Runco system :-)<br>
/pre
/blockquote
pre wrap=""!----
Coincidently, I have a Krell 2 channel amplifier for the front speakers
and B&W Matrix (not Nautilus) speakers. My surround amp/processor is a
Denon THX/DTS/Dolby unit and I think is the weak point in my system.

Nice, ! That Denon processor should be up to the task.
/pre
/blockquote
You are approaching the point of diminishing return. You would have to
spend a few grandbr
to hear an appreciable difference with another processor, like the
"mid-level" Anthem, Arcam, Lexicon, etc.br
So it might be the weak link but it ain't that weak. hehehehebr
br
But ya know what ya should do....... go get the Lexicon processor, a 3
channel Krell and while you are out might asbr
well pick up 5 of the B&W 800 Diamonds. :-) <don't we all
wish;->br
br
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"RicSeyler" wrote in message
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wrote:

Just got back from the store. Watched the two side by side. They are
both phenomenal. There was a good amount of glare reflecting off of
the Pioneer in the store (there was florescent lighting and a window
facing the screen). The Pioneer did seem to have a more natural color.
The Sony was extremely sharp but the colors did seem a little bit more
cartoonish. I don't think you can go wrong with either set. Now I am
going to go back and reexamine lighting conditions in the room where
the tv is going to go. If the reflections and glare approach that of
what I saw in the showroom, I think I am going to go with the Sony. If
not - probably the Pioneer.

Wise shopping!

Try adjusting the Sony...it tends to be set to "vivid" in the stores. The
picture switch on the remote toggles between vivid, custom and normal (or
something similar to that)...playing with the picture settings can help you
find a more realistic view. Both are outstanding sets.


The salesman said that HDMI 1.3 is more
relevant for audio than video and that if I was going to hold off on
something, it should be upgrading my processor. Does this seem
accurate?


Yea, 1.3 has video relevance, but not til the new HD color gamut/space
is implemented, which
from what I understand is waaaay off. So the relevance is sound for now
(passing HD DTS & DD).
Like I said now I'm NOT 100% sure that 1.1 WON'T pass the new HD DTS & DD.

Yea I don't think your processor needs replaced, unless you want to drop
a several grand on a better one.

Thank you in advance for your continued assistance!


No prob, man! :-)



RicSeyler wrote:


wrote:



I appreciate your continued help and opinions. I am going to go view
the two side by side and also spend some time monitoring light
conditions in the room.



You just gave yourself the best advise going. :-)
What looks good to you. But it's always a plus to know what to look for.



Given the discussion maybe I should even wait
until HDMI 1.3 comes out (any idea how long that will be?)




I was reading the new Home Theater Mag last night and I think saw in one
review that HDMI 1.1
will pass DTS-HD Master Audio & Dolby TrueHD uncompressed. Can anyone
else here confirm this?
I was thinking it required 1.3.

HDMI 1.3 was announced in the mags a couple months ago. So it should
start showing
up in the next ver of displays & components. I'd guess mid year 07.



I know I'll get flamed on this, but there is a place for quality
specialty cabling. But notbr
in the price point of the components you and I or the other mortals
here can afford withoutbr
raiding the kids college fund. :-)br
I'm setting a theater for a friend and got everything we needed at
MonoPrice without breakingbr
the bank. (Hundred foot of their in-wall 12ga and 50 ft of the reg
12ga,br
20 ft Sub RCA, couple HDMI cables, a Component and a TosLink) And I'm
happy with them.br
Cuz we ain't hooking up a Krell, Nautilus, Runco system :-)br




Coincidently, I have a Krell 2 channel amplifier for the front speakers
and B&W Matrix (not Nautilus) speakers. My surround amp/processor is a
Denon THX/DTS/Dolby unit and I think is the weak point in my system.

Nice, ! That Denon processor should be up to the task.




You are approaching the point of diminishing return. You would have to
spend a few grand
to hear an appreciable difference with another processor, like the
"mid-level" Anthem, Arcam, Lexicon, etc.
So it might be the weak link but it ain't that weak. hehehehe

But ya know what ya should do....... go get the Lexicon processor, a 3
channel Krell and while you are out might as
well pick up 5 of the B&W 800 Diamonds. :-) don't we all wish;-


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wrote:
blockquote
egroups.com"
type="cite"
pre wrap=""I appreciate your continued help and opinions. I am going
to go view
the two side by side and also spend some time monitoring light
conditions in the room. /pre
/blockquote
You just gave yourself the best advise going. :-)br
What looks good to you. But it's always a plus to know what to look
for.br
blockquote
egroups.com"
type="cite"
pre wrap=""Given the discussion maybe I should even wait
until HDMI 1.3 comes out (any idea how long that will be?)
/pre
/blockquote
I was reading the new Home Theater Mag last night and I think saw in
one review that HDMI 1.1br
will pass DTS-HD Master Audio & Dolby TrueHD uncompressed. Can
anyone else here confirm this?br
I was thinking it required 1.3.br
br
HDMI 1.3 was announced in the mags a couple months ago. So it should
start showingbr
up in the next ver of displays & components.  I'd guess mid year
07.br
br
blockquote
egroups.com"
type="cite"
blockquote type="cite"
pre wrap=""I know I'll get flamed on this, but there is a place for
quality
specialty cabling. But not<br>
in the price point of the components you and I or the other mortals
here can afford without<br>
raiding the kids college fund. :-)<br>
I'm setting a theater for a friend and got everything we needed at
MonoPrice without breaking<br>
the bank. (Hundred foot of their in-wall 12ga and 50 ft of the reg
12ga,<br>
20 ft Sub RCA, couple HDMI cables, a Component and a TosLink) And I'm
happy with them.<br>
Cuz we ain't hooking up a Krell, Nautilus, Runco system :-)<br>
/pre
/blockquote
pre wrap=""!----
Coincidently, I have a Krell 2 channel amplifier for the front speakers
and B&W Matrix (not Nautilus) speakers. My surround amp/processor is
a
Denon THX/DTS/Dolby unit and I think is the weak point in my system.

Nice, ! That Denon processor should be up to the task.
/pre
/blockquote
You are approaching the point of diminishing return. You would have to
spend a few grandbr
to hear an appreciable difference with another processor, like the
"mid-level" Anthem, Arcam, Lexicon, etc.br
So it might be the weak link but it ain't that weak. hehehehebr
br
But ya know what ya should do....... go get the Lexicon processor, a 3
channel Krell and while you are out might asbr
well pick up 5 of the B&W 800 Diamonds. :-) <don't we all
wish;->br
br
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Thanks. I will check the color settings on the Sony to see if that is
the problem. Rainy day here in Miami so not much glare.... bad day
to test it.


Nominal wrote:
"RicSeyler" wrote in message
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wrote:

Just got back from the store. Watched the two side by side. They are
both phenomenal. There was a good amount of glare reflecting off of
the Pioneer in the store (there was florescent lighting and a window
facing the screen). The Pioneer did seem to have a more natural color.
The Sony was extremely sharp but the colors did seem a little bit more
cartoonish. I don't think you can go wrong with either set. Now I am
going to go back and reexamine lighting conditions in the room where
the tv is going to go. If the reflections and glare approach that of
what I saw in the showroom, I think I am going to go with the Sony. If
not - probably the Pioneer.

Wise shopping!

Try adjusting the Sony...it tends to be set to "vivid" in the stores. The
picture switch on the remote toggles between vivid, custom and normal (or
something similar to that)...playing with the picture settings can help you
find a more realistic view. Both are outstanding sets.


The salesman said that HDMI 1.3 is more
relevant for audio than video and that if I was going to hold off on
something, it should be upgrading my processor. Does this seem
accurate?


Yea, 1.3 has video relevance, but not til the new HD color gamut/space
is implemented, which
from what I understand is waaaay off. So the relevance is sound for now
(passing HD DTS & DD).
Like I said now I'm NOT 100% sure that 1.1 WON'T pass the new HD DTS & DD.

Yea I don't think your processor needs replaced, unless you want to drop
a several grand on a better one.

Thank you in advance for your continued assistance!


No prob, man! :-)



RicSeyler wrote:


wrote:



I appreciate your continued help and opinions. I am going to go view
the two side by side and also spend some time monitoring light
conditions in the room.



You just gave yourself the best advise going. :-)
What looks good to you. But it's always a plus to know what to look for.



Given the discussion maybe I should even wait
until HDMI 1.3 comes out (any idea how long that will be?)




I was reading the new Home Theater Mag last night and I think saw in one
review that HDMI 1.1
will pass DTS-HD Master Audio & Dolby TrueHD uncompressed. Can anyone
else here confirm this?
I was thinking it required 1.3.

HDMI 1.3 was announced in the mags a couple months ago. So it should
start showing
up in the next ver of displays & components. I'd guess mid year 07.



I know I'll get flamed on this, but there is a place for quality
specialty cabling. But notbr
in the price point of the components you and I or the other mortals
here can afford withoutbr
raiding the kids college fund. :-)br
I'm setting a theater for a friend and got everything we needed at
MonoPrice without breakingbr
the bank. (Hundred foot of their in-wall 12ga and 50 ft of the reg
12ga,br
20 ft Sub RCA, couple HDMI cables, a Component and a TosLink) And I'm
happy with them.br
Cuz we ain't hooking up a Krell, Nautilus, Runco system :-)br




Coincidently, I have a Krell 2 channel amplifier for the front speakers
and B&W Matrix (not Nautilus) speakers. My surround amp/processor is a
Denon THX/DTS/Dolby unit and I think is the weak point in my system.

Nice, ! That Denon processor should be up to the task.




You are approaching the point of diminishing return. You would have to
spend a few grand
to hear an appreciable difference with another processor, like the
"mid-level" Anthem, Arcam, Lexicon, etc.
So it might be the weak link but it ain't that weak. hehehehe

But ya know what ya should do....... go get the Lexicon processor, a 3
channel Krell and while you are out might as
well pick up 5 of the B&W 800 Diamonds. :-) don't we all wish;-


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wrote:
blockquote
egroups.com"
type="cite"
pre wrap=""I appreciate your continued help and opinions. I am going
to go view
the two side by side and also spend some time monitoring light
conditions in the room. /pre
/blockquote
You just gave yourself the best advise going. :-)br
What looks good to you. But it's always a plus to know what to look
for.br
blockquote
egroups.com"
type="cite"
pre wrap=""Given the discussion maybe I should even wait
until HDMI 1.3 comes out (any idea how long that will be?)
/pre
/blockquote
I was reading the new Home Theater Mag last night and I think saw in
one review that HDMI 1.1br
will pass DTS-HD Master Audio & Dolby TrueHD uncompressed. Can
anyone else here confirm this?br
I was thinking it required 1.3.br
br
HDMI 1.3 was announced in the mags a couple months ago. So it should
start showingbr
up in the next ver of displays & components.  I'd guess mid year
07.br
br
blockquote
egroups.com"
type="cite"
blockquote type="cite"
pre wrap=""I know I'll get flamed on this, but there is a place for
quality
specialty cabling. But not<br>
in the price point of the components you and I or the other mortals
here can afford without<br>
raiding the kids college fund. :-)<br>
I'm setting a theater for a friend and got everything we needed at
MonoPrice without breaking<br>
the bank. (Hundred foot of their in-wall 12ga and 50 ft of the reg
12ga,<br>
20 ft Sub RCA, couple HDMI cables, a Component and a TosLink) And I'm
happy with them.<br>
Cuz we ain't hooking up a Krell, Nautilus, Runco system :-)<br>
/pre
/blockquote
pre wrap=""!----
Coincidently, I have a Krell 2 channel amplifier for the front speakers
and B&W Matrix (not Nautilus) speakers. My surround amp/processor is
a
Denon THX/DTS/Dolby unit and I think is the weak point in my system.

Nice, ! That Denon processor should be up to the task.
/pre
/blockquote
You are approaching the point of diminishing return. You would have to
spend a few grandbr
to hear an appreciable difference with another processor, like the
"mid-level" Anthem, Arcam, Lexicon, etc.br
So it might be the weak link but it ain't that weak. hehehehebr
br
But ya know what ya should do....... go get the Lexicon processor, a 3
channel Krell and while you are out might asbr
well pick up 5 of the B&W 800 Diamonds. :-) <don't we all
wish;->br
br
br
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wrote in message
ups.com...
Thanks. I will check the color settings on the Sony to see if that is
the problem. Rainy day here in Miami so not much glare.... bad day
to test it.

Honestly, when I went looking at sets I was surprised by how good the new
generation 1080p LCD's are. I've not been thrilled with LCD's in the past,
and these really are the first generaton that have impressed me, the sammy
and sony more so than the sharp. While many folks here focus on the 1080p
as a $ waster and recommend 1080i/720p LCD's, the processing and image
quality on the newer sets is where they shine, not necessarily the 1080p
function. I love big screen HD hockey, and always hated LCD's in the past
for the pixel lag/smear on high speed objects, and it's not a problem on the
new sonys.

I was also surprised at the way the plasma vs. lcd loked at the crappy
circuit city...while the bad setup facing the door would hardly ever be
found in a "good" store, it really brought home the differences the sets
have in bright light and direct light situations, which more closely
approximates the conditions many folks have in their living/rec rooms. It's
hard to tell the wife that her grandma's mirror has to move because it
catches the sun from the window and shines it on the plasma tv!



Nominal wrote:
"RicSeyler" wrote in message
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wrote:

Just got back from the store. Watched the two side by side. They are
both phenomenal. There was a good amount of glare reflecting off of
the Pioneer in the store (there was florescent lighting and a window
facing the screen). The Pioneer did seem to have a more natural color.
The Sony was extremely sharp but the colors did seem a little bit more
cartoonish. I don't think you can go wrong with either set. Now I am
going to go back and reexamine lighting conditions in the room where
the tv is going to go. If the reflections and glare approach that of
what I saw in the showroom, I think I am going to go with the Sony. If
not - probably the Pioneer.

Wise shopping!

Try adjusting the Sony...it tends to be set to "vivid" in the stores.
The
picture switch on the remote toggles between vivid, custom and normal (or
something similar to that)...playing with the picture settings can help
you
find a more realistic view. Both are outstanding sets.


The salesman said that HDMI 1.3 is more
relevant for audio than video and that if I was going to hold off on
something, it should be upgrading my processor. Does this seem
accurate?


Yea, 1.3 has video relevance, but not til the new HD color gamut/space
is implemented, which
from what I understand is waaaay off. So the relevance is sound for now
(passing HD DTS & DD).
Like I said now I'm NOT 100% sure that 1.1 WON'T pass the new HD DTS &
DD.

Yea I don't think your processor needs replaced, unless you want to
drop
a several grand on a better one.

Thank you in advance for your continued assistance!


No prob, man! :-)



RicSeyler wrote:


wrote:



I appreciate your continued help and opinions. I am going to go view
the two side by side and also spend some time monitoring light
conditions in the room.



You just gave yourself the best advise going. :-)
What looks good to you. But it's always a plus to know what to look
for.



Given the discussion maybe I should even wait
until HDMI 1.3 comes out (any idea how long that will be?)




I was reading the new Home Theater Mag last night and I think saw in
one
review that HDMI 1.1
will pass DTS-HD Master Audio & Dolby TrueHD uncompressed. Can anyone
else here confirm this?
I was thinking it required 1.3.

HDMI 1.3 was announced in the mags a couple months ago. So it should
start showing
up in the next ver of displays & components. I'd guess mid year 07.



I know I'll get flamed on this, but there is a place for quality
specialty cabling. But notbr
in the price point of the components you and I or the other mortals
here can afford withoutbr
raiding the kids college fund. :-)br
I'm setting a theater for a friend and got everything we needed at
MonoPrice without breakingbr
the bank. (Hundred foot of their in-wall 12ga and 50 ft of the reg
12ga,br
20 ft Sub RCA, couple HDMI cables, a Component and a TosLink) And
I'm
happy with them.br
Cuz we ain't hooking up a Krell, Nautilus, Runco system :-)br




Coincidently, I have a Krell 2 channel amplifier for the front
speakers
and B&W Matrix (not Nautilus) speakers. My surround amp/processor is
a
Denon THX/DTS/Dolby unit and I think is the weak point in my system.

Nice, ! That Denon processor should be up to the task.




You are approaching the point of diminishing return. You would have to
spend a few grand
to hear an appreciable difference with another processor, like the
"mid-level" Anthem, Arcam, Lexicon, etc.
So it might be the weak link but it ain't that weak. hehehehe

But ya know what ya should do....... go get the Lexicon processor, a 3
channel Krell and while you are out might as
well pick up 5 of the B&W 800 Diamonds. :-) don't we all wish;-


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going
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/blockquote
You just gave yourself the best advise going. :-)br
What looks good to you. But it's always a plus to know what to look
for.br
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until HDMI 1.3 comes out (any idea how long that will be?)
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I was reading the new Home Theater Mag last night and I think saw in
one review that HDMI 1.1br
will pass DTS-HD Master Audio & Dolby TrueHD uncompressed. Can
anyone else here confirm this?br
I was thinking it required 1.3.br
br
HDMI 1.3 was announced in the mags a couple months ago. So it should
start showingbr
up in the next ver of displays & components.  I'd guess mid
year
07.br
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pre wrap=""I know I'll get flamed on this, but there is a place
for
quality
specialty cabling. But not<br>
in the price point of the components you and I or the other mortals
here can afford without<br>
raiding the kids college fund. :-)<br>
I'm setting a theater for a friend and got everything we needed at
MonoPrice without breaking<br>
the bank. (Hundred foot of their in-wall 12ga and 50 ft of the reg
12ga,<br>
20 ft Sub RCA, couple HDMI cables, a Component and a TosLink) And I'm
happy with them.<br>
Cuz we ain't hooking up a Krell, Nautilus, Runco system :-)<br>
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pre wrap=""!----
Coincidently, I have a Krell 2 channel amplifier for the front
speakers
and B&W Matrix (not Nautilus) speakers. My surround amp/processor
is
a
Denon THX/DTS/Dolby unit and I think is the weak point in my system.

Nice, ! That Denon processor should be up to the task.
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You are approaching the point of diminishing return. You would have to
spend a few grandbr
to hear an appreciable difference with another processor, like the
"mid-level" Anthem, Arcam, Lexicon, etc.br
So it might be the weak link but it ain't that weak. hehehehebr
br
But ya know what ya should do....... go get the Lexicon processor, a 3
channel Krell and while you are out might asbr
well pick up 5 of the B&W 800 Diamonds. :-) <don't we all
wish;->br
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