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December 14th 06, 06:45 PM
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Sony KDL-52XBR3 vs. Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1
lanman wrote: On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:58:14 GMT, "Nominal" wrote: "RicSeyler" wrote in message . .. I don't like LCD's...... Poor Black Levels, Poor Off Axis viewing, Motion Artifacts... Although that Sony has supposedly addressed some of that stuff. You're living in the past. All that is very good to excellent on the Sony LCD. Most LCD's over the last few years have 170 degree or more viewing angles, and the sony is as 180 degree as you can go. Iffin you are picking between the two I definitely go with the Pioneer Plasma. (accepts1080p & 1920x1080 rez, the final step plasmas have been needing) Bull spit...it all depends. The Pioneer has a marginally better picture in some applications, but not most by any means. In a very dark room, the Pioneer is better. The Sony is much better in a bright room, and if there are direct light reflections the Pioneer sucks hard...the reflective glass surface is such a great mirror you can shave off it. In a normal living room with windows the sony is much better. The Pioneer has no tuner if that matters for OTA reception. The larger Sony has more inputs. The Sony isn't light at just over 100 lbs., but the Pioneer is over 200 lbs., so the Sony is easily enough handled by two people for self-installation. The sony is about $1.5k less, plus you pay extra for the stand for the pioneer if you want that. Also, the Sony should have steeper discounts more quickly since it does have direct competition from Samsung and Sharp in the 52" LCD market. You are correct. Mr RicSeyler is seriously misinformed about the current LCD offernings. I have a 55" Samsung LCD (1080P) which I purchased for $2,800 at Costco last which has a picture quality that is better than any plasma I've seen. And 50"+ plasmas at the time were selling for around ten grand if you wanted 1080P. The horizontal and vertical viewing angles are incredible with hardly any picture deterioration regardless of where in the room you sit. Costco currently has a Samsung 67" LCD in 1080P for $3,400.00 and the picture quality is stunning. Ummmmm that's a DLP, not LCD.............. LOL DLP's with the 7 segment color wheels (less rainbows) or the newest ones with LED lighting (no rainbows) are quite nice. http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...&brows e=&s=1 Add Samsung's TQ85 HTIB which is currently selling at Costco's for $385.00, and you have a complete HT system for under $4,000 that will blow you away. http://reviews.cnet.com/Samsung_HT_T...-31929471.html And you will be the proud owner of a HTiB worth $385.00... with each component manufactured with less than $50 worth of materials. Not counting the cost of the cabinets and receiver case and that includes the cost of the sub amp and driver....... Many things REQUIRED for any quality of sound cost money. Fact of life...... ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove -SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson 
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December 14th 06, 09:16 PM
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Sony KDL-52XBR3 vs. Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1
"RicSeyler" wrote in message ... Nominal wrote: "RicSeyler" wrote in message . .. That's why there is more than 1 choice in technologies...... You couldn't give me an LCD..... well I guess you could give me one! LOL Okay, so you're a closed-minded pinhead. LOLOLOLOL!! The weaknesses of Plasma don't outweigh the weaknesses of LCD to me. And like I said I'm waiting for the next SXRD displays, so I'm not buying either. well, your so-called weaknesses weren't validly applied to modern technology. If you don't want to look, fine. But don't act like you know what you're talking about. You've not addressed anything I've mentioned. In fact, I'd wager that you've not seen either set, and are basing your conclusions on old and invalid data and your narrow-minded biases. I've seen both, I played with both extensively. I considered how and where the sets I was getting were to be used and felt the LCD was a better decision. Like I said, in a dark room I'd probably go plasma. When you are saying "Old Technology" are you talking 2 months ago? Or last week? LOL There have just been a couple LCD's released in the last 6 weeks or so that are addressing these known and well publicized issues with LCD. As best they can at the moment. And iffin you read my original post the new Sony has addresses some of these. Well, the smaller xbr2's (40 and 46") have been out since summer, and like their big brother released last month, do an excellent job of addressing those issues. Might want to look into your statement a tad there, man. Look up reviews on LCD flat panels. From Home Theater Magazine site, Wide Screen Review site, Perfect Vision site, Sound and Vision site, AVS Forum. See what ALL of them say about off axis, motion artifacts and most important black levels..... I didn't pull this stuff out of the ether...... It's also a case of "You gonna believe me or your lying eyes" LOL You a Bush supporter also man?! j/k ;-) Right...so you're admitting you've never seen ANY of these sets. NONE of them have any issues with off axis. It is 100% a non-issue. As far as black levels, plasma definitely has better absolute black levels...important in a dark room...but the dynamic levels of the LCD are generally better in a bright room, as the reviewers will agree. I've read those sites, with a big grain of salt...face it, you'll find some folks on those sites who will tout the benefits of expensive digital cables and other similar snake oil nonsense. I read. I understand the technology. And I've actually looked and tested, a crucial step which seems to lack importance to you. and you've still not mentioned once the reflectivity of the plasma screen in a bright room. p.s. I never audition anything at a big box store. Ooooh, you're an elitist as well. Ummm no, you insinuated that's what I do.... PFFFFFFFFFTTTTT slaps knee No, you semi-literate ass, I inferred it. You implied it. If you're looking at dropping a ****load of money on a television and need to compare them, it makes sense to check them out in as many different environments as possible, particularly when the controlled environment in the high-end store bears know resemblance whatsoever to the lighting conditions in the average living room. I certainly wouldn't recommend only checking at a BB or a CC since they have little ability to feed good consistent signals to their gear and they rarely have much knowledge. Of course, the salesmen at the boutiques are foten as ignorant, but they'll try and pretend they know what they're doing. That's why it pays to be as knowledgeable or more knowledgeable on what you are looking for than the drones, before even stepping into the store. But like I said before, that's why there is more than one choice in the world. I'm just saying I wouldn't spend my money on one, at least at this development point of the technology. -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove -SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson
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December 14th 06, 09:31 PM
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Sony KDL-52XBR3 vs. Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1
wrote in message ups.com... Thank you both for your help. I live in S. Florida and have to windows in the room where the TV will be (though neither window will face the tv - one will be behind it to the left and one will be to the side perpendicular). The pricing is pretty comparable. Is it really just a question of lighting in the room? I am going to get a high definition DirectTv receiver for either of them and a Bluray and I have a surround system so I wouldn't use the speakers that come with it anyway. Am I correct in my assumption that the built in tuner and speakers are non-issues for me? The built-in tuner is probably a non-issue, alhough I find the OTA HD seems a bit less processed and compressed than the DTV version of local stations, so the tuner can be a handy thing (also for when your sat goes out). Speakers are also probably not a problem. As for the windows, check the light on a sunny day at different times...late afternoon winter sun can hit in some strange places! Reflections from room lighting are usually easily dealt with by a bit of a tilt in mounting the set, but sunny windows, and reflections of the light off other items in the room can be very distracting. the LCD gives a lot more flexibility with this. I was putting a 46" LCD in my friend's bedroom the other day, and there was direct sun hitting one corner of it (from a bathroom window hitting a shower door and reflecting into the bedroom. Yes, I did end up closing the door to eliminate it...but despite the bright spot on the wall and frame of the XBR2 LCD, the light was not a distraction on the screen. The other thing to consider is installation 100 lbs. is easier to hang and mount than 200+ if you're doing it yourself. I would wait for HDMI 1.3 but once that comes out then I could wait for Laser technology instead of Plasma or LCD and once that comes out I could wait for lunar technology brought down from the new international space station which will have been built on the moon by the time I finally buy something - So I want to upgrade already even at the risk of being an early adopter and overpaying for technology that will be superceded in 8 months. The TV is a better bet for still being great in a year than the bluray! Nominal wrote: "RicSeyler" wrote in message ... That's why there is more than 1 choice in technologies...... You couldn't give me an LCD..... well I guess you could give me one! LOL Okay, so you're a closed-minded pinhead. The weaknesses of Plasma don't outweigh the weaknesses of LCD to me. And like I said I'm waiting for the next SXRD displays, so I'm not buying either. well, your so-called weaknesses weren't validly applied to modern technology. If you don't want to look, fine. But don't act like you know what you're talking about. You've not addressed anything I've mentioned. In fact, I'd wager that you've not seen either set, and are basing your conclusions on old and invalid data and your narrow-minded biases. I've seen both, I played with both extensively. I considered how and where the sets I was getting were to be used and felt the LCD was a better decision. Like I said, in a dark room I'd probably go plasma. p.s. I never audition anything at a big box store. Ooooh, you're an elitist as well. I certainly wouldn't recommend only checking at a BB or a CC since they have little ability to feed good consistent signals to their gear and they rarely have much knowledge. Of course, the salesmen at the boutiques are foten as ignorant, but they'll try and pretend they know what they're doing. Nominal wrote: "RicSeyler" wrote in message . .. Humm.... LCD Owner? LOL Hot damn, a guy who knows absolutely **** leads off with an ad hominem attack. No, not an LCD owner, nor a plasma. I used to not like LCD's either. I've recently researched them extensively for a big installation for a friend. The LCD vs. plasma reflection issue was painfully obvious at a smaller circuit city store near me, where several big flat panels were positioned opposite the front door. The LCDs (the new sammy and sony 46" LCD's looked really nice, despite the afternoon sun. The plasmas were all so reflective I could identify brands of cars speeding by on the highway outside, and the reflecions were very distracting to what was otherwise a very good picture. If you want to hunker down in a blackout room, go plasma. If you're putting a set in a living room with two or three walls of windows, go LCD. On the 46 and 52" XBR2 LCD's, the viewing angle is fantastic for a full 178 degrees. No color washout whatsoever. Black levels/back lighting work better than the plasma in a bright room (even one without direct reflections). Motion artifacts are non-existent to my eyes. Check out the sets at a good home theater store...despite a much more careful setup than what you get at BB or CC, you'll still get reflectons on the plasma screens. SO again, I ask where is the set to be installed. Nominal wrote: "RicSeyler" wrote in message . .. I don't like LCD's...... Poor Black Levels, Poor Off Axis viewing, Motion Artifacts... Although that Sony has supposedly addressed some of that stuff. You're living in the past. All that is very good to excellent on the Sony LCD. Most LCD's over the last few years have 170 degree or more viewing angles, and the sony is as 180 degree as you can go. Iffin you are picking between the two I definitely go with the Pioneer Plasma. (accepts1080p & 1920x1080 rez, the final step plasmas have been needing) Bull spit...it all depends. The Pioneer has a marginally better picture in some applications, but not most by any means. In a very dark room, the Pioneer is better. The Sony is much better in a bright room, and if there are direct light reflections the Pioneer sucks hard...the reflective glass surface is such a great mirror you can shave off it. In a normal living room with windows the sony is much better. The Pioneer has no tuner if that matters for OTA reception. The larger Sony has more inputs. The Sony isn't light at just over 100 lbs., but the Pioneer is over 200 lbs., so the Sony is easily enough handled by two people for self-installation. The sony is about $1.5k less, plus you pay extra for the stand for the pioneer if you want that. Also, the Sony should have steeper discounts more quickly since it does have direct competition from Samsung and Sharp in the 52" LCD market. Of course, you can always wait. there will always be better sets for less money in the future...but then you'll never get a tv. It's an off time to buy a display for me, I am holding out til spring or so. I waiting for the Sony SXRD A2000 (or it's new equivalent) to get the soft picture problem sorted out and hoping for a new release early next year or so. the XBR version has no problems but I'd like to save a couple grand :-) Myself and 3 of my friends are playing the waiting game for new displays at the moment. Maybe you'll learn a few things about the current displays before spouting off nonsense like problems with viewing angles. wrote: I am about to buy a 1080p 50/52 inch Monitor. I am going back and forth between the Sony KDL-52XBR3 and the Elite PRO-FHD1. These are in my mind the best Plasma and LCD televisions available. I'd be interested in some advice as to a comparison and the pros and cons of buying each. Thank you in advance. -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove -SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove -SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove -SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson
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December 14th 06, 09:44 PM
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Nominal wrote: "RicSeyler" wrote in message . .. Nominal wrote: "RicSeyler" wrote in message .. . That's why there is more than 1 choice in technologies...... You couldn't give me an LCD..... well I guess you could give me one! LOL Okay, so you're a closed-minded pinhead. LOLOLOLOL!! The weaknesses of Plasma don't outweigh the weaknesses of LCD to me. And like I said I'm waiting for the next SXRD displays, so I'm not buying either. well, your so-called weaknesses weren't validly applied to modern technology. If you don't want to look, fine. But don't act like you know what you're talking about. You've not addressed anything I've mentioned. In fact, I'd wager that you've not seen either set, and are basing your conclusions on old and invalid data and your narrow-minded biases. I've seen both, I played with both extensively. I considered how and where the sets I was getting were to be used and felt the LCD was a better decision. Like I said, in a dark room I'd probably go plasma. When you are saying "Old Technology" are you talking 2 months ago? Or last week? LOL There have just been a couple LCD's released in the last 6 weeks or so that are addressing these known and well publicized issues with LCD. As best they can at the moment. And iffin you read my original post the new Sony has addresses some of these. Well, the smaller xbr2's (40 and 46") have been out since summer, and like their big brother released last month, do an excellent job of addressing those issues. Much better, but I wouldn't say excellent. Might want to look into your statement a tad there, man. Look up reviews on LCD flat panels. From Home Theater Magazine site, Wide Screen Review site, Perfect Vision site, Sound and Vision site, AVS Forum. See what ALL of them say about off axis, motion artifacts and most important black levels..... I didn't pull this stuff out of the ether...... It's also a case of "You gonna believe me or your lying eyes" LOL You a Bush supporter also man?! j/k ;-) Right...so you're admitting you've never seen ANY of these sets. LOL How did you twist what I said into that? NONE of them have any issues with off axis. It is 100% a non-issue. As far as black levels, plasma definitely has better absolute black levels...important in a dark room...but the dynamic levels of the LCD are generally better in a bright room, as the reviewers will agree. I've read those sites, with a big grain of salt...face it, you'll find some folks on those sites who will tout the benefits of expensive digital cables and other similar snake oil nonsense. I know I'll get flamed on this, but there is a place for quality specialty cabling. But not in the price point of the components you and I or the other mortals here can afford without raiding the kids college fund. :-) I'm setting a theater for a friend and got everything we needed at MonoPrice without breaking the bank. (Hundred foot of their in-wall 12ga and 50 ft of the reg 12ga, 20 ft Sub RCA, couple HDMI cables, a Component and a TosLink) And I'm happy with them. Cuz we ain't hooking up a Krell, Nautilus, Runco system :-) I read. I understand the technology. And I've actually looked and tested, a crucial step which seems to lack importance to you. Again how did you twist what I said into that? and you've still not mentioned once the reflectivity of the plasma screen in a bright room. Because that's not a deal breaker with me. But hey man, I've enjoyed the thread, we just have different views, such is the way of the world :-) You probably can't get anything more subjective than this stuff... outside of Art or Music I guess. p.s. I never audition anything at a big box store. Ooooh, you're an elitist as well. Ummm no, you insinuated that's what I do.... PFFFFFFFFFTTTTT slaps knee No, you semi-literate ass, I inferred it. You implied it. If you're looking at dropping a ****load of money on a television and need to compare them, it makes sense to check them out in as many different environments as possible, particularly when the controlled environment in the high-end store bears know resemblance whatsoever to the lighting conditions in the average living room. I certainly wouldn't recommend only checking at a BB or a CC since they have little ability to feed good consistent signals to their gear and they rarely have much knowledge. Of course, the salesmen at the boutiques are foten as ignorant, but they'll try and pretend they know what they're doing. That's why it pays to be as knowledgeable or more knowledgeable on what you are looking for than the drones, before even stepping into the store. But like I said before, that's why there is more than one choice in the world. I'm just saying I wouldn't spend my money on one, at least at this development point of the technology. -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove -SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove -SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson
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December 15th 06, 01:44 AM
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Sony KDL-52XBR3 vs. Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1
I appreciate your continued help and opinions. I am going to go view
the two side by side and also spend some time monitoring light conditions in the room. Given the discussion maybe I should even wait until HDMI 1.3 comes out (any idea how long that will be?) I know I'll get flamed on this, but there is a place for quality specialty cabling. But notbr in the price point of the components you and I or the other mortals here can afford withoutbr raiding the kids college fund. :-)br I'm setting a theater for a friend and got everything we needed at MonoPrice without breakingbr the bank. (Hundred foot of their in-wall 12ga and 50 ft of the reg 12ga,br 20 ft Sub RCA, couple HDMI cables, a Component and a TosLink) And I'm happy with them.br Cuz we ain't hooking up a Krell, Nautilus, Runco system :-)br Coincidently, I have a Krell 2 channel amplifier for the front speakers and B&W Matrix (not Nautilus) speakers. My surround amp/processor is a Denon THX/DTS/Dolby unit and I think is the weak point in my system. -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson /pre /body /html --------------040905050104070901030703--
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December 15th 06, 05:33 PM
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wrote: I appreciate your continued help and opinions. I am going to go view the two side by side and also spend some time monitoring light conditions in the room. You just gave yourself the best advise going. :-) What looks good to you. But it's always a plus to know what to look for. Given the discussion maybe I should even wait until HDMI 1.3 comes out (any idea how long that will be?) I was reading the new Home Theater Mag last night and I think saw in one review that HDMI 1.1 will pass DTS-HD Master Audio & Dolby TrueHD uncompressed. Can anyone else here confirm this? I was thinking it required 1.3. HDMI 1.3 was announced in the mags a couple months ago. So it should start showing up in the next ver of displays & components. I'd guess mid year 07. I know I'll get flamed on this, but there is a place for quality specialty cabling. But notbr in the price point of the components you and I or the other mortals here can afford withoutbr raiding the kids college fund. :-)br I'm setting a theater for a friend and got everything we needed at MonoPrice without breakingbr the bank. (Hundred foot of their in-wall 12ga and 50 ft of the reg 12ga,br 20 ft Sub RCA, couple HDMI cables, a Component and a TosLink) And I'm happy with them.br Cuz we ain't hooking up a Krell, Nautilus, Runco system :-)br Coincidently, I have a Krell 2 channel amplifier for the front speakers and B&W Matrix (not Nautilus) speakers. My surround amp/processor is a Denon THX/DTS/Dolby unit and I think is the weak point in my system. Nice, ! That Denon processor should be up to the task. You are approaching the point of diminishing return. You would have to spend a few grand to hear an appreciable difference with another processor, like the "mid-level" Anthem, Arcam, Lexicon, etc. So it might be the weak link but it ain't that weak. hehehehe But ya know what ya should do....... go get the Lexicon processor, a 3 channel Krell and while you are out might as well pick up 5 of the B&W 800 Diamonds. :-) don't we all wish;- -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove -SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson
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December 15th 06, 09:11 PM
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Sony KDL-52XBR3 vs. Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1
Just got back from the store. Watched the two side by side. They are
both phenomenal. There was a good amount of glare reflecting off of the Pioneer in the store (there was florescent lighting and a window facing the screen). The Pioneer did seem to have a more natural color. The Sony was extremely sharp but the colors did seem a little bit more cartoonish. I don't think you can go wrong with either set. Now I am going to go back and reexamine lighting conditions in the room where the tv is going to go. If the reflections and glare approach that of what I saw in the showroom, I think I am going to go with the Sony. If not - probably the Pioneer. The salesman said that HDMI 1.3 is more relevant for audio than video and that if I was going to hold off on something, it should be upgrading my processor. Does this seem accurate? Thank you in advance for your continued assistance! RicSeyler wrote: wrote: I appreciate your continued help and opinions. I am going to go view the two side by side and also spend some time monitoring light conditions in the room. You just gave yourself the best advise going. :-) What looks good to you. But it's always a plus to know what to look for. Given the discussion maybe I should even wait until HDMI 1.3 comes out (any idea how long that will be?) I was reading the new Home Theater Mag last night and I think saw in one review that HDMI 1.1 will pass DTS-HD Master Audio & Dolby TrueHD uncompressed. Can anyone else here confirm this? I was thinking it required 1.3. HDMI 1.3 was announced in the mags a couple months ago. So it should start showing up in the next ver of displays & components. I'd guess mid year 07. I know I'll get flamed on this, but there is a place for quality specialty cabling. But notbr in the price point of the components you and I or the other mortals here can afford withoutbr raiding the kids college fund. :-)br I'm setting a theater for a friend and got everything we needed at MonoPrice without breakingbr the bank. (Hundred foot of their in-wall 12ga and 50 ft of the reg 12ga,br 20 ft Sub RCA, couple HDMI cables, a Component and a TosLink) And I'm happy with them.br Cuz we ain't hooking up a Krell, Nautilus, Runco system :-)br Coincidently, I have a Krell 2 channel amplifier for the front speakers and B&W Matrix (not Nautilus) speakers. My surround amp/processor is a Denon THX/DTS/Dolby unit and I think is the weak point in my system. Nice, ! That Denon processor should be up to the task. You are approaching the point of diminishing return. You would have to spend a few grand to hear an appreciable difference with another processor, like the "mid-level" Anthem, Arcam, Lexicon, etc. So it might be the weak link but it ain't that weak. hehehehe But ya know what ya should do....... go get the Lexicon processor, a 3 channel Krell and while you are out might as well pick up 5 of the B&W 800 Diamonds. :-) don't we all wish;- -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove -SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson --------------060300010205060602030108 Content-Type: text/html X-Google-AttachSize: 3436 !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" html head meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type" title/title /head body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" br br a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" "russell /a wrote: blockquote egroups.com" type="cite" pre wrap=""I appreciate your continued help and opinions. I am going to go view the two side by side and also spend some time monitoring light conditions in the room. /pre /blockquote You just gave yourself the best advise going. :-)br What looks good to you. But it's always a plus to know what to look for.br blockquote egroups.com" type="cite" pre wrap=""Given the discussion maybe I should even wait until HDMI 1.3 comes out (any idea how long that will be?) /pre /blockquote I was reading the new Home Theater Mag last night and I think saw in one review that HDMI 1.1br will pass DTS-HD Master Audio & Dolby TrueHD uncompressed. Can anyone else here confirm this?br I was thinking it required 1.3.br br HDMI 1.3 was announced in the mags a couple months ago. So it should start showingbr up in the next ver of displays & components. I'd guess mid year 07.br br blockquote egroups.com" type="cite" blockquote type="cite" pre wrap=""I know I'll get flamed on this, but there is a place for quality specialty cabling. But not<br> in the price point of the components you and I or the other mortals here can afford without<br> raiding the kids college fund. :-)<br> I'm setting a theater for a friend and got everything we needed at MonoPrice without breaking<br> the bank. (Hundred foot of their in-wall 12ga and 50 ft of the reg 12ga,<br> 20 ft Sub RCA, couple HDMI cables, a Component and a TosLink) And I'm happy with them.<br> Cuz we ain't hooking up a Krell, Nautilus, Runco system :-)<br> /pre /blockquote pre wrap=""!---- Coincidently, I have a Krell 2 channel amplifier for the front speakers and B&W Matrix (not Nautilus) speakers. My surround amp/processor is a Denon THX/DTS/Dolby unit and I think is the weak point in my system. Nice, ! That Denon processor should be up to the task. /pre /blockquote You are approaching the point of diminishing return. You would have to spend a few grandbr to hear an appreciable difference with another processor, like the "mid-level" Anthem, Arcam, Lexicon, etc.br So it might be the weak link but it ain't that weak. hehehehebr br But ya know what ya should do....... go get the Lexicon processor, a 3 channel Krell and while you are out might asbr well pick up 5 of the B&W 800 Diamonds. :-) <don't we all wish;->br br br pre class="moz-signature" cols="85"-- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" "[email protected] Mgulf.net/a a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler"http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler/a remove –SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson /pre /body /html --------------060300010205060602030108--
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December 15th 06, 09:55 PM
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Sony KDL-52XBR3 vs. Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1
wrote: Just got back from the store. Watched the two side by side. They are both phenomenal. There was a good amount of glare reflecting off of the Pioneer in the store (there was florescent lighting and a window facing the screen). The Pioneer did seem to have a more natural color. The Sony was extremely sharp but the colors did seem a little bit more cartoonish. I don't think you can go wrong with either set. Now I am going to go back and reexamine lighting conditions in the room where the tv is going to go. If the reflections and glare approach that of what I saw in the showroom, I think I am going to go with the Sony. If not - probably the Pioneer. Wise shopping! The salesman said that HDMI 1.3 is more relevant for audio than video and that if I was going to hold off on something, it should be upgrading my processor. Does this seem accurate? Yea, 1.3 has video relevance, but not til the new HD color gamut/space is implemented, which from what I understand is waaaay off. So the relevance is sound for now (passing HD DTS & DD). Like I said now I'm NOT 100% sure that 1.1 WON'T pass the new HD DTS & DD. Yea I don't think your processor needs replaced, unless you want to drop a several grand on a better one. Thank you in advance for your continued assistance! No prob, man! :-) RicSeyler wrote: wrote: I appreciate your continued help and opinions. I am going to go view the two side by side and also spend some time monitoring light conditions in the room. You just gave yourself the best advise going. :-) What looks good to you. But it's always a plus to know what to look for. Given the discussion maybe I should even wait until HDMI 1.3 comes out (any idea how long that will be?) I was reading the new Home Theater Mag last night and I think saw in one review that HDMI 1.1 will pass DTS-HD Master Audio & Dolby TrueHD uncompressed. Can anyone else here confirm this? I was thinking it required 1.3. HDMI 1.3 was announced in the mags a couple months ago. So it should start showing up in the next ver of displays & components. I'd guess mid year 07. I know I'll get flamed on this, but there is a place for quality specialty cabling. But notbr in the price point of the components you and I or the other mortals here can afford withoutbr raiding the kids college fund. :-)br I'm setting a theater for a friend and got everything we needed at MonoPrice without breakingbr the bank. (Hundred foot of their in-wall 12ga and 50 ft of the reg 12ga,br 20 ft Sub RCA, couple HDMI cables, a Component and a TosLink) And I'm happy with them.br Cuz we ain't hooking up a Krell, Nautilus, Runco system :-)br Coincidently, I have a Krell 2 channel amplifier for the front speakers and B&W Matrix (not Nautilus) speakers. My surround amp/processor is a Denon THX/DTS/Dolby unit and I think is the weak point in my system. Nice, ! That Denon processor should be up to the task. You are approaching the point of diminishing return. You would have to spend a few grand to hear an appreciable difference with another processor, like the "mid-level" Anthem, Arcam, Lexicon, etc. So it might be the weak link but it ain't that weak. hehehehe But ya know what ya should do....... go get the Lexicon processor, a 3 channel Krell and while you are out might as well pick up 5 of the B&W 800 Diamonds. :-) don't we all wish;- -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove -SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson --------------060300010205060602030108 Content-Type: text/html X-Google-AttachSize: 3436 !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" html head meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type" title/title /head body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" br br a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" "russell /a wrote: blockquote egroups.com" type="cite" pre wrap=""I appreciate your continued help and opinions. I am going to go view the two side by side and also spend some time monitoring light conditions in the room. /pre /blockquote You just gave yourself the best advise going. :-)br What looks good to you. But it's always a plus to know what to look for.br blockquote egroups.com" type="cite" pre wrap=""Given the discussion maybe I should even wait until HDMI 1.3 comes out (any idea how long that will be?) /pre /blockquote I was reading the new Home Theater Mag last night and I think saw in one review that HDMI 1.1br will pass DTS-HD Master Audio & Dolby TrueHD uncompressed. Can anyone else here confirm this?br I was thinking it required 1.3.br br HDMI 1.3 was announced in the mags a couple months ago. So it should start showingbr up in the next ver of displays & components. I'd guess mid year 07.br br blockquote egroups.com" type="cite" blockquote type="cite" pre wrap=""I know I'll get flamed on this, but there is a place for quality specialty cabling. But not<br> in the price point of the components you and I or the other mortals here can afford without<br> raiding the kids college fund. :-)<br> I'm setting a theater for a friend and got everything we needed at MonoPrice without breaking<br> the bank. (Hundred foot of their in-wall 12ga and 50 ft of the reg 12ga,<br> 20 ft Sub RCA, couple HDMI cables, a Component and a TosLink) And I'm happy with them.<br> Cuz we ain't hooking up a Krell, Nautilus, Runco system :-)<br> /pre /blockquote pre wrap=""!---- Coincidently, I have a Krell 2 channel amplifier for the front speakers and B&W Matrix (not Nautilus) speakers. My surround amp/processor is a Denon THX/DTS/Dolby unit and I think is the weak point in my system. Nice, ! That Denon processor should be up to the task. /pre /blockquote You are approaching the point of diminishing return. You would have to spend a few grandbr to hear an appreciable difference with another processor, like the "mid-level" Anthem, Arcam, Lexicon, etc.br So it might be the weak link but it ain't that weak. hehehehebr br But ya know what ya should do....... go get the Lexicon processor, a 3 channel Krell and while you are out might asbr well pick up 5 of the B&W 800 Diamonds. :-) <don't we all wish;->br br br pre class="moz-signature" cols="85"-- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" "[email protected] Mgulf.net/a a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler"http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler/a remove –SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. 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Sony KDL-52XBR3 vs. Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1
"RicSeyler" wrote in message news:[email protected] wrote: Just got back from the store. Watched the two side by side. They are both phenomenal. There was a good amount of glare reflecting off of the Pioneer in the store (there was florescent lighting and a window facing the screen). The Pioneer did seem to have a more natural color. The Sony was extremely sharp but the colors did seem a little bit more cartoonish. I don't think you can go wrong with either set. Now I am going to go back and reexamine lighting conditions in the room where the tv is going to go. If the reflections and glare approach that of what I saw in the showroom, I think I am going to go with the Sony. If not - probably the Pioneer. Wise shopping! Try adjusting the Sony...it tends to be set to "vivid" in the stores. The picture switch on the remote toggles between vivid, custom and normal (or something similar to that)...playing with the picture settings can help you find a more realistic view. Both are outstanding sets. The salesman said that HDMI 1.3 is more relevant for audio than video and that if I was going to hold off on something, it should be upgrading my processor. Does this seem accurate? Yea, 1.3 has video relevance, but not til the new HD color gamut/space is implemented, which from what I understand is waaaay off. So the relevance is sound for now (passing HD DTS & DD). Like I said now I'm NOT 100% sure that 1.1 WON'T pass the new HD DTS & DD. Yea I don't think your processor needs replaced, unless you want to drop a several grand on a better one. Thank you in advance for your continued assistance! No prob, man! :-) RicSeyler wrote: wrote: I appreciate your continued help and opinions. I am going to go view the two side by side and also spend some time monitoring light conditions in the room. You just gave yourself the best advise going. :-) What looks good to you. But it's always a plus to know what to look for. Given the discussion maybe I should even wait until HDMI 1.3 comes out (any idea how long that will be?) I was reading the new Home Theater Mag last night and I think saw in one review that HDMI 1.1 will pass DTS-HD Master Audio & Dolby TrueHD uncompressed. Can anyone else here confirm this? I was thinking it required 1.3. HDMI 1.3 was announced in the mags a couple months ago. So it should start showing up in the next ver of displays & components. I'd guess mid year 07. I know I'll get flamed on this, but there is a place for quality specialty cabling. But notbr in the price point of the components you and I or the other mortals here can afford withoutbr raiding the kids college fund. :-)br I'm setting a theater for a friend and got everything we needed at MonoPrice without breakingbr the bank. (Hundred foot of their in-wall 12ga and 50 ft of the reg 12ga,br 20 ft Sub RCA, couple HDMI cables, a Component and a TosLink) And I'm happy with them.br Cuz we ain't hooking up a Krell, Nautilus, Runco system :-)br Coincidently, I have a Krell 2 channel amplifier for the front speakers and B&W Matrix (not Nautilus) speakers. My surround amp/processor is a Denon THX/DTS/Dolby unit and I think is the weak point in my system. Nice, ! That Denon processor should be up to the task. You are approaching the point of diminishing return. You would have to spend a few grand to hear an appreciable difference with another processor, like the "mid-level" Anthem, Arcam, Lexicon, etc. So it might be the weak link but it ain't that weak. hehehehe But ya know what ya should do....... go get the Lexicon processor, a 3 channel Krell and while you are out might as well pick up 5 of the B&W 800 Diamonds. :-) don't we all wish;- -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove -SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson --------------060300010205060602030108 Content-Type: text/html X-Google-AttachSize: 3436 !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" html head meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type" title/title /head body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" br br a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" "russ /a wrote: blockquote egroups.com" type="cite" pre wrap=""I appreciate your continued help and opinions. I am going to go view the two side by side and also spend some time monitoring light conditions in the room. /pre /blockquote You just gave yourself the best advise going. :-)br What looks good to you. But it's always a plus to know what to look for.br blockquote egroups.com" type="cite" pre wrap=""Given the discussion maybe I should even wait until HDMI 1.3 comes out (any idea how long that will be?) /pre /blockquote I was reading the new Home Theater Mag last night and I think saw in one review that HDMI 1.1br will pass DTS-HD Master Audio & Dolby TrueHD uncompressed. Can anyone else here confirm this?br I was thinking it required 1.3.br br HDMI 1.3 was announced in the mags a couple months ago. So it should start showingbr up in the next ver of displays & components. I'd guess mid year 07.br br blockquote egroups.com" type="cite" blockquote type="cite" pre wrap=""I know I'll get flamed on this, but there is a place for quality specialty cabling. But not<br> in the price point of the components you and I or the other mortals here can afford without<br> raiding the kids college fund. :-)<br> I'm setting a theater for a friend and got everything we needed at MonoPrice without breaking<br> the bank. (Hundred foot of their in-wall 12ga and 50 ft of the reg 12ga,<br> 20 ft Sub RCA, couple HDMI cables, a Component and a TosLink) And I'm happy with them.<br> Cuz we ain't hooking up a Krell, Nautilus, Runco system :-)<br> /pre /blockquote pre wrap=""!---- Coincidently, I have a Krell 2 channel amplifier for the front speakers and B&W Matrix (not Nautilus) speakers. My surround amp/processor is a Denon THX/DTS/Dolby unit and I think is the weak point in my system. Nice, ! That Denon processor should be up to the task. /pre /blockquote You are approaching the point of diminishing return. You would have to spend a few grandbr to hear an appreciable difference with another processor, like the "mid-level" Anthem, Arcam, Lexicon, etc.br So it might be the weak link but it ain't that weak. hehehehebr br But ya know what ya should do....... go get the Lexicon processor, a 3 channel Krell and while you are out might asbr well pick up 5 of the B&W 800 Diamonds. :-) <don't we all wish;->br br br pre class="moz-signature" cols="85"-- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" "[email protected] SPAMgulf.net/a a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler"http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler/a remove –SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson /pre /body /html --------------060300010205060602030108-- -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove -SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson
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