Japan mobile DTV

This article suggest that everybody has signed up for or is watching
free DTV on their cell phones in Japan and Korea.

http://www.wirelesswatch.jp//modules...e/ds40226.html

"In Japan and South Korea, where mobile television usage is at its
highest, the reality has been around for over a year - and most of the
population has already signed up to watch the country's main channels
on their mobiles."

This one says that there is a problem in Korea but it seems the free
ONE SEG cell phone DTV experience in Japan is doing well. How many
people are bothering it watch true HD mobile would be interesting.

The ONE SEG cell phone broadcast is just a duplicate of the regular
broadcast on the other 12 segments of the stations channel.

http://www.wirelesswatch.jp//modules...ticle&sid=2152

Now that 84% of Japanese household are covered this will get very
interesting.

Bob Miller

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Blah, blah, blah

Bob Miller


If it isn't HD, it's off-topic here. This is alt.tv.tech.HDTV.

Jeff Shoaf wrote:
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Blah, blah, blah

Bob Miller


If it isn't HD, it's off-topic here. This is alt.tv.tech.HDTV.

The original broadcast is HDTV and it can be received mobile. The ONE
SEG just duplicate the HDTV in one seg for cell phones mobile.

The question I thought interesting is how many people are going to the
trouble of receiving HDTV mobile.

Bob Miller

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006, wrote:
This article suggest that everybody has signed up for or is watching
free DTV on their cell phones in Japan and Korea.
http://www.wirelesswatch.jp//modules...e/ds40226.html

That same article refers to "the faltering Korean DVB-H market" and notes
that "the hype surrounding this next-gen area knows no borders and markets
overseas are also struggling with the myths and realities of this
segment's risks and opportunities."

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

Mark Crispin wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006, wrote:
This article suggest that everybody has signed up for or is watching
free DTV on their cell phones in Japan and Korea.
http://www.wirelesswatch.jp//modules...e/ds40226.html

That same article refers to "the faltering Korean DVB-H market" and notes
that "the hype surrounding this next-gen area knows no borders and markets
overseas are also struggling with the myths and realities of this
segment's risks and opportunities."

-- Mark --


Yes I noticed that to. You are of course referring to the fact that
their is no Korean DVB-H market right. Hard to falter when it isn't
even happening at all.

When they refer to "next gen" sounds like they may mean 3-G stuff not
broadcasting though. They seem a bit confused.

Maybe they mean that 3-G is faltering and everyone already has
broadcast capabilities on their cell phones.

Bob Miller

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006, wrote:
If it isn't HD, it's off-topic here. This is alt.tv.tech.HDTV.
The original broadcast is HDTV and it can be received mobile. The ONE
SEG just duplicate the HDTV in one seg for cell phones mobile.

So what. The original broadcast of The Tonight Show on NBC is HDTV and it
can be reached mobile via NTSC. NTSC just duplicates the HDTV in analog.

That does not make analog broadcasts on-topic here.

The question I thought interesting is how many people are going to the
trouble of receiving HDTV mobile.

As Psycho Bob well knows, nobody cares about receiving HDTV mobile. It is
absurd to talk about receiving HDTV on any mobile device smaller than a
computer laptop. Mobile TV and HDTV are two entirely different TVs.

The reason why Psycho Bob is so unhappy is that he believes that the
choice of 8-VSB favors HDTV over mobile TV. This isn't surprising; mobile
TV is a fringe market, always has been, and always will be; everywhere in
the world.

Handheld analog TVs have been around since the 1980s. They have not been
big sellers here nor in Japan. It has not been due to performance; my
1988 vintage handheld analog TVs continue to deliver excellent
performance.

One-seg cell phones are a limited part of the Japanese cell phone market.
The high-end phones don't have one-seg. The high-end phones have things
like international roaming and PIM capability; things that adult consumers
are interested in.

One-seg is a gimmick, aimed primarily at the youth market, and thus
appears in certain models of the mid-range phones. It's one of many
gimmicks. Video calling is another. It's great fun to use the video call
feature...until you get the bill...

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

Mark Crispin wrote:

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006, wrote:
If it isn't HD, it's off-topic here. This is alt.tv.tech.HDTV.
The original broadcast is HDTV and it can be received mobile. The ONE
SEG just duplicate the HDTV in one seg for cell phones mobile.

So what. The original broadcast of The Tonight Show on NBC is HDTV and it
can be reached mobile via NTSC. NTSC just duplicates the HDTV in analog.

That does not make analog broadcasts on-topic here.

The question I thought interesting is how many people are going to the
trouble of receiving HDTV mobile.

As Psycho Bob well knows, nobody cares about receiving HDTV mobile. It is
absurd to talk about receiving HDTV on any mobile device smaller than a
computer laptop. Mobile TV and HDTV are two entirely different TVs.

The reason why Psycho Bob is so unhappy is that he believes that the
choice of 8-VSB favors HDTV over mobile TV. This isn't surprising; mobile
TV is a fringe market, always has been, and always will be; everywhere in
the world.

Handheld analog TVs have been around since the 1980s. They have not been
big sellers here nor in Japan. It has not been due to performance; my
1988 vintage handheld analog TVs continue to deliver excellent
performance.

One-seg cell phones are a limited part of the Japanese cell phone market.
The high-end phones don't have one-seg. The high-end phones have things
like international roaming and PIM capability; things that adult consumers
are interested in.

One-seg is a gimmick, aimed primarily at the youth market, and thus
appears in certain models of the mid-range phones. It's one of many
gimmicks. Video calling is another. It's great fun to use the video call
feature...until you get the bill...

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

so Mark..

why are their so many Hobbyist Hd fans on this group that insist that
one can see the difference between HD and SD on a 19 inch computer
monitor?

which is insane - but still they think that they can.

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why are their so many Hobbyist Hd fans on this group that insist that
one can see the difference between HD and SD on a 19 inch computer
monitor?

which is insane - but still they think that they can.

My Dad told me he used to make money going through college (dairy) by
betting others on the weight of cattle going though a scale on the way
to market.

His simple trick was to always make the other guy pick a weight first.
Then all he had to do was decide whether he thought the other guy had
picked high or low. If the guy said 600 lbs and my dad thought that was
high he would pick 598. He would win if the guy was high in most cases.
He said he won about 65% of his bets which are pretty good odds.

If you are right you could make some money testing these folks eyes on
whether they are seeing HD or not.

I think it is pretty easy to see the difference between HD and SD on a
19" monitor. At least mine.

But the main point of HD is having the theater experience IMO. 100
inches or better.

Bob Miller

Having an argument with yourself? Well since no one else agrees with you
around here, no reason you should either...