Wondereful World of DVD burning

Thank you!
Andy mention the multimedia management program that comes with ATI all-in-wonder
cards.
It SEEMS to say that it has all the tools (Suite) needed to capture, edit, and
burn.
You might want to check out their website (ati.com) and see what you think.
Obviously the last thing I (or anybody) would want to do is have a bunch of
redundant software creating clutter & confusion.
If I went the direct route, I would probably go with the Pioneer DVR?DVD burner
combo.

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All the Best,
Richard Harison
"EOSJO" wrote in message
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Richard Harison wrote:
Your standalone DVD burner sound like a good idea. But how does one edit
using
the *press play/press record* technique?

I guess I assumed you were looking for a simple solution to converting
VHS tapes to DVD.

If your intention is to do video editing then you will need the full
suite of tools. The process is fairly simple and some applications like
Adobe Premiere Elements combine several tools into one. First, you will
need an analog capture card and a DVD burner. Make sure the analog
capture card has an input for composite video and L/R audio. The steps
will then be:

1. Capture the video in real-time. This will require 13GB/hour of
disk storage. To preserve quality, make sure you save the capture in
AVI format.
2. Edit the captured segments in the video editor of your choosing.
Save the final output as AVI.
3. Import the final AVI into the DVD authoring application. This
will allow you to chose a bitrate for the encode, author menus, set
chapter points, etc.
4. Encode and burn the final project to DVD-R or DVD+R.

That's all there is to it.




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Richard Harison wrote:
Hi Andy,
Had a quick look at the ATI/AMD site. Their description of MMC seems to say
that you can capture, edit and burn DVD all from within it.
If this is true, why the need for an authoring (I concept I don't really
understand) program and then Nero?
Thanks

I didn't follow the whole thread, but I have done some VCR recording to
DVD for a couple of tapes. Video out to composite in, audio out to your
sound card's line in (RCA jacks to stereo 1/8 inch plugs adapter from
Radio Shack. The software for your card (mine is an ATI TV Wonder)lets
you choose Vid and Aud inputs. I hope you have both a fast computer and
a lot of free time. If I were to buy another card it would be a
Hauppauge, but I got my card cheap.


The Pioneer 111 works fine and I've had good luck with Pioneer burners.

Nerovision Express gives you rudimentary editing and DVD mastering
capabilities without buying any additional software. I don't know about
the version supplied with the drive (mine's still in the package) but
the full version does.

If I had a bunch of tapes I wanted to convert I'd either outsource the
job or use a standalone burner. Blanks aren't expensive, so transfer
from the burned DVD to your computer for editing then burn the edited
version on another DVD. No video capture card required.

Good Luck!

Thanks CAH (indeed thanks for all those responding)
The Pioneer 111 burner comes with Nero 7.2 (doesn't say express, so I assume
it's the full version.
This thread started with me needing a DVD for the computer to run mapping
software. Then I thought about burning as well, since the Pio 111 is quite
reasonably priced. Then the idea of ATI's PVR capability...it all snowballed
from there. Plus the fact that wifey might not be too thrilled with YET another
piece of AV equipment to dust!

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All the Best,
Richard Harison
"CAH" wrote in message
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Richard Harison wrote:
Hi Andy,
Had a quick look at the ATI/AMD site. Their description of MMC seems to say
that you can capture, edit and burn DVD all from within it.
If this is true, why the need for an authoring (I concept I don't really
understand) program and then Nero?
Thanks

I didn't follow the whole thread, but I have done some VCR recording to DVD
for a couple of tapes. Video out to composite in, audio out to your sound
card's line in (RCA jacks to stereo 1/8 inch plugs adapter from Radio Shack.
The software for your card (mine is an ATI TV Wonder)lets you choose Vid and
Aud inputs. I hope you have both a fast computer and a lot of free time. If
I were to buy another card it would be a Hauppauge, but I got my card cheap.


The Pioneer 111 works fine and I've had good luck with Pioneer burners.

Nerovision Express gives you rudimentary editing and DVD mastering
capabilities without buying any additional software. I don't know about
the version supplied with the drive (mine's still in the package) but the full
version does.

If I had a bunch of tapes I wanted to convert I'd either outsource the job or
use a standalone burner. Blanks aren't expensive, so transfer from the burned
DVD to your computer for editing then burn the edited version on another DVD.
No video capture card required.

Good Luck!



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Wes Newell wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:07:41 -0500, Richard Harison wrote:

Your standalone DVD burner sound like a good idea. But how does one edit using
the *press play/press record* technique?

Well once you have it on DVD, it's simple a matter of loading it in the
PC, editing it, and then burning a new DVD. Still probably easier or at
least cheaper than going the capture card route. And you also get a DVD
player out of it.

That is not going to work. Once a video DVD is created you can no
longer edit the material. The only way to get the video and audio back
is to "rip" it back to files. Since it has already been encoded to MPEG
you are going to get more loss of quality when you re-encode it back to
a new DVD. This is why you want to keep all your captures as AVI and
only encode to MPEG on the final burn. It's like editing and resaving a
JPEG, you lose quality each time you re-encode.

If you want to edit "analog" material on a PC you are going to need a
capture card.

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:04:42 -0500, "Richard Harison"
wrote:

So your ATI card has the L/R audio jacks as well?
Thanks

Yes, but the audio is routed through the All-in-Wonder card to the
CD-Audio connector on the motherboard.

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:23:39 -0500, "Richard Harison"
wrote:

Hi Andy,
Had a quick look at the ATI/AMD site. Their description of MMC seems to say
that you can capture, edit and burn DVD all from within it.
If this is true, why the need for an authoring (I concept I don't really
understand) program and then Nero?
Thanks

I'm using an older version of MMC that works well with the AiW Radeon
7500. As far as I know it has no edit capabilities. I use the MPGEnc
DVD Author because it had zero learning curve, and it does what it
does very well. One thing it allows is generating DVD files that
exceed the capacity of a normal DVD. Then I can use DVD Shrink to make
the files fit on a normal DVD disk.

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:26:16 GMT, Wes Newell
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:07:41 -0500, Richard Harison wrote:

Your standalone DVD burner sound like a good idea. But how does one edit using
the *press play/press record* technique?

Well once you have it on DVD, it's simple a matter of loading it in the
PC, editing it, and then burning a new DVD. Still probably easier or at
least cheaper than going the capture card route. And you also get a DVD
player out of it.

Or, trimming of start and stop can be done directly on a DVD+RW disc
(in DVD_VR format), at least with Philips +RW recorders. The
limitation is that it cuts only on complete Group Of Pictures which
equals up to 0.5 seconds or so. The "cut" part is also left on disc so
it does not save recording space.

A Philips +RW recorder can also enter chapter marks after the
recording and make them visible to a DVD-Player.
+RW discs must be used to make the editing work when played on a
standard DVD-Player.

An alternative is a "DVD/HD Recorder" which can do the same kind of
simple editing before burning a DVD. Check the different models for
limitations if user created chapter marks can be transferred to DVD
etc.
/Jan

On 13 Dec 2006 19:13:33 -0800, "EOSJO" wrote:


Wes Newell wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:07:41 -0500, Richard Harison wrote:

Your standalone DVD burner sound like a good idea. But how does one edit using
the *press play/press record* technique?

Well once you have it on DVD, it's simple a matter of loading it in the
PC, editing it, and then burning a new DVD. Still probably easier or at
least cheaper than going the capture card route. And you also get a DVD
player out of it.

That is not going to work. Once a video DVD is created you can no
longer edit the material. The only way to get the video and audio back
is to "rip" it back to files. Since it has already been encoded to MPEG
you are going to get more loss of quality when you re-encode it back to
a new DVD.

Using an MPEG editor with a "smart reencoder" does not effect the
quality outside a few frames around a cut. This is because it only
re-encodes the affected Group Of Pictures (0.5 seconds or so).

This is why you want to keep all your captures as AVI and
only encode to MPEG on the final burn. It's like editing and resaving a
JPEG, you lose quality each time you re-encode.

This is true if you want to adjust the image, like brightness,
cropping etc.

If you want to edit "analog" material on a PC you are going to need a
capture card.

For cutting I don't see a problem with recording on the recorder and
cutting (with a smart re-encoder).

If picture adjustment is needed, making the recording with a high bit
rate minimises the re-encoding losses. It migth differ but in my case
the VHS tapes I "converted" were more limited by the analogue (lack
of) quality in the original then the re-encoding losses.
/Jan

Thanks

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Richard Harison
"Andy" wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:04:42 -0500, "Richard Harison"
wrote:

So your ATI card has the L/R audio jacks as well?
Thanks

Yes, but the audio is routed through the All-in-Wonder card to the
CD-Audio connector on the motherboard.



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