Sony KDL-52XBR3 vs. Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1

I am about to buy a 1080p 50/52 inch Monitor. I am going back and
forth between the Sony KDL-52XBR3 and the Elite PRO-FHD1. These are in
my mind the best Plasma and LCD televisions available. I'd be
interested in some advice as to a comparison and the pros and cons of
buying each.

Thank you in advance.

I don't like LCD's...... Poor Black Levels, Poor Off Axis viewing,
Motion Artifacts...
Although that Sony has supposedly addressed some of that stuff.

Iffin you are picking between the two I definitely go with the Pioneer
Plasma.
(accepts1080p & 1920x1080 rez, the final step plasmas have been needing)

It's an off time to buy a display for me, I am holding out til spring or so.
I waiting for the Sony SXRD A2000 (or it's new equivalent) to get the
soft picture
problem sorted out and hoping for a new release early next year or so.
the XBR
version has no problems but I'd like to save a couple grand :-)

Myself and 3 of my friends are playing the waiting game for new displays
at the moment.

wrote:

I am about to buy a 1080p 50/52 inch Monitor. I am going back and
forth between the Sony KDL-52XBR3 and the Elite PRO-FHD1. These are in
my mind the best Plasma and LCD televisions available. I'd be
interested in some advice as to a comparison and the pros and cons of
buying each.

Thank you in advance.




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"RicSeyler" wrote in message
...
I don't like LCD's...... Poor Black Levels, Poor Off Axis viewing, Motion
Artifacts...
Although that Sony has supposedly addressed some of that stuff.

You're living in the past. All that is very good to excellent on the Sony
LCD. Most LCD's over the last few years have 170 degree or more viewing
angles, and the sony is as 180 degree as you can go.


Iffin you are picking between the two I definitely go with the Pioneer
Plasma.
(accepts1080p & 1920x1080 rez, the final step plasmas have been needing)

Bull spit...it all depends. The Pioneer has a marginally better picture in
some applications, but not most by any means. In a very dark room, the
Pioneer is better. The Sony is much better in a bright room, and if there
are direct light reflections the Pioneer sucks hard...the reflective glass
surface is such a great mirror you can shave off it. In a normal living
room with windows the sony is much better.

The Pioneer has no tuner if that matters for OTA reception. The larger Sony
has more inputs. The Sony isn't light at just over 100 lbs., but the
Pioneer is over 200 lbs., so the Sony is easily enough handled by two people
for self-installation. The sony is about $1.5k less, plus you pay extra for
the stand for the pioneer if you want that. Also, the Sony should have
steeper discounts more quickly since it does have direct competition from
Samsung and Sharp in the 52" LCD market.

Of course, you can always wait. there will always be better sets for less
money in the future...but then you'll never get a tv.


It's an off time to buy a display for me, I am holding out til spring or
so.
I waiting for the Sony SXRD A2000 (or it's new equivalent) to get the soft
picture
problem sorted out and hoping for a new release early next year or so. the
XBR
version has no problems but I'd like to save a couple grand :-)

Myself and 3 of my friends are playing the waiting game for new displays
at the moment.

Maybe you'll learn a few things about the current displays before spouting
off nonsense like problems with viewing angles.


wrote:

I am about to buy a 1080p 50/52 inch Monitor. I am going back and
forth between the Sony KDL-52XBR3 and the Elite PRO-FHD1. These are in
my mind the best Plasma and LCD televisions available. I'd be
interested in some advice as to a comparison and the pros and cons of
buying each.

Thank you in advance.



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Humm.... LCD Owner? LOL

Nominal wrote:

"RicSeyler" wrote in message
.. .


I don't like LCD's...... Poor Black Levels, Poor Off Axis viewing, Motion
Artifacts...
Although that Sony has supposedly addressed some of that stuff.



You're living in the past. All that is very good to excellent on the Sony
LCD. Most LCD's over the last few years have 170 degree or more viewing
angles, and the sony is as 180 degree as you can go.



Iffin you are picking between the two I definitely go with the Pioneer
Plasma.
(accepts1080p & 1920x1080 rez, the final step plasmas have been needing)



Bull spit...it all depends. The Pioneer has a marginally better picture in
some applications, but not most by any means. In a very dark room, the
Pioneer is better. The Sony is much better in a bright room, and if there
are direct light reflections the Pioneer sucks hard...the reflective glass
surface is such a great mirror you can shave off it. In a normal living
room with windows the sony is much better.

The Pioneer has no tuner if that matters for OTA reception. The larger Sony
has more inputs. The Sony isn't light at just over 100 lbs., but the
Pioneer is over 200 lbs., so the Sony is easily enough handled by two people
for self-installation. The sony is about $1.5k less, plus you pay extra for
the stand for the pioneer if you want that. Also, the Sony should have
steeper discounts more quickly since it does have direct competition from
Samsung and Sharp in the 52" LCD market.

Of course, you can always wait. there will always be better sets for less
money in the future...but then you'll never get a tv.



It's an off time to buy a display for me, I am holding out til spring or
so.
I waiting for the Sony SXRD A2000 (or it's new equivalent) to get the soft
picture
problem sorted out and hoping for a new release early next year or so. the
XBR
version has no problems but I'd like to save a couple grand :-)

Myself and 3 of my friends are playing the waiting game for new displays
at the moment.



Maybe you'll learn a few things about the current displays before spouting
off nonsense like problems with viewing angles.



wrote:



I am about to buy a 1080p 50/52 inch Monitor. I am going back and
forth between the Sony KDL-52XBR3 and the Elite PRO-FHD1. These are in
my mind the best Plasma and LCD televisions available. I'd be
interested in some advice as to a comparison and the pros and cons of
buying each.

Thank you in advance.




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"RicSeyler" wrote in message
...
Humm.... LCD Owner? LOL

Hot damn, a guy who knows absolutely **** leads off with an ad hominem
attack. No, not an LCD owner, nor a plasma.

I used to not like LCD's either. I've recently researched them extensively
for a big installation for a friend. The LCD vs. plasma reflection issue
was painfully obvious at a smaller circuit city store near me, where several
big flat panels were positioned opposite the front door. The LCDs (the new
sammy and sony 46" LCD's looked really nice, despite the afternoon sun. The
plasmas were all so reflective I could identify brands of cars speeding by
on the highway outside, and the reflecions were very distracting to what was
otherwise a very good picture.

If you want to hunker down in a blackout room, go plasma.

If you're putting a set in a living room with two or three walls of windows,
go LCD.

On the 46 and 52" XBR2 LCD's, the viewing angle is fantastic for a full 178
degrees. No color washout whatsoever. Black levels/back lighting work
better than the plasma in a bright room (even one without direct
reflections). Motion artifacts are non-existent to my eyes.

Check out the sets at a good home theater store...despite a much more
careful setup than what you get at BB or CC, you'll still get reflectons on
the plasma screens.

SO again, I ask where is the set to be installed.


Nominal wrote:

"RicSeyler" wrote in message
. ..


I don't like LCD's...... Poor Black Levels, Poor Off Axis viewing, Motion
Artifacts...
Although that Sony has supposedly addressed some of that stuff.



You're living in the past. All that is very good to excellent on the Sony
LCD. Most LCD's over the last few years have 170 degree or more viewing
angles, and the sony is as 180 degree as you can go.



Iffin you are picking between the two I definitely go with the Pioneer
Plasma.
(accepts1080p & 1920x1080 rez, the final step plasmas have been needing)



Bull spit...it all depends. The Pioneer has a marginally better picture
in
some applications, but not most by any means. In a very dark room, the
Pioneer is better. The Sony is much better in a bright room, and if there
are direct light reflections the Pioneer sucks hard...the reflective glass
surface is such a great mirror you can shave off it. In a normal living
room with windows the sony is much better.

The Pioneer has no tuner if that matters for OTA reception. The larger
Sony
has more inputs. The Sony isn't light at just over 100 lbs., but the
Pioneer is over 200 lbs., so the Sony is easily enough handled by two
people
for self-installation. The sony is about $1.5k less, plus you pay extra
for
the stand for the pioneer if you want that. Also, the Sony should have
steeper discounts more quickly since it does have direct competition from
Samsung and Sharp in the 52" LCD market.

Of course, you can always wait. there will always be better sets for less
money in the future...but then you'll never get a tv.



It's an off time to buy a display for me, I am holding out til spring or
so.
I waiting for the Sony SXRD A2000 (or it's new equivalent) to get the
soft
picture
problem sorted out and hoping for a new release early next year or so.
the
XBR
version has no problems but I'd like to save a couple grand :-)

Myself and 3 of my friends are playing the waiting game for new displays
at the moment.



Maybe you'll learn a few things about the current displays before spouting
off nonsense like problems with viewing angles.



wrote:



I am about to buy a 1080p 50/52 inch Monitor. I am going back and
forth between the Sony KDL-52XBR3 and the Elite PRO-FHD1. These are in
my mind the best Plasma and LCD televisions available. I'd be
interested in some advice as to a comparison and the pros and cons of
buying each.

Thank you in advance.




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That's why there is more than 1 choice in technologies......
You couldn't give me an LCD..... well I guess you could give me one! LOL

The weaknesses of Plasma don't outweigh the weaknesses of LCD to me.
And like I said I'm waiting for the next SXRD displays, so I'm not
buying either.

p.s. I never audition anything at a big box store.

Nominal wrote:

"RicSeyler" wrote in message
.. .


Humm.... LCD Owner? LOL



Hot damn, a guy who knows absolutely **** leads off with an ad hominem
attack. No, not an LCD owner, nor a plasma.

I used to not like LCD's either. I've recently researched them extensively
for a big installation for a friend. The LCD vs. plasma reflection issue
was painfully obvious at a smaller circuit city store near me, where several
big flat panels were positioned opposite the front door. The LCDs (the new
sammy and sony 46" LCD's looked really nice, despite the afternoon sun. The
plasmas were all so reflective I could identify brands of cars speeding by
on the highway outside, and the reflecions were very distracting to what was
otherwise a very good picture.

If you want to hunker down in a blackout room, go plasma.

If you're putting a set in a living room with two or three walls of windows,
go LCD.

On the 46 and 52" XBR2 LCD's, the viewing angle is fantastic for a full 178
degrees. No color washout whatsoever. Black levels/back lighting work
better than the plasma in a bright room (even one without direct
reflections). Motion artifacts are non-existent to my eyes.

Check out the sets at a good home theater store...despite a much more
careful setup than what you get at BB or CC, you'll still get reflectons on
the plasma screens.

SO again, I ask where is the set to be installed.



Nominal wrote:



"RicSeyler" wrote in message
.. .




I don't like LCD's...... Poor Black Levels, Poor Off Axis viewing, Motion
Artifacts...
Although that Sony has supposedly addressed some of that stuff.




You're living in the past. All that is very good to excellent on the Sony
LCD. Most LCD's over the last few years have 170 degree or more viewing
angles, and the sony is as 180 degree as you can go.





Iffin you are picking between the two I definitely go with the Pioneer
Plasma.
(accepts1080p & 1920x1080 rez, the final step plasmas have been needing)




Bull spit...it all depends. The Pioneer has a marginally better picture
in
some applications, but not most by any means. In a very dark room, the
Pioneer is better. The Sony is much better in a bright room, and if there
are direct light reflections the Pioneer sucks hard...the reflective glass
surface is such a great mirror you can shave off it. In a normal living
room with windows the sony is much better.

The Pioneer has no tuner if that matters for OTA reception. The larger
Sony
has more inputs. The Sony isn't light at just over 100 lbs., but the
Pioneer is over 200 lbs., so the Sony is easily enough handled by two
people
for self-installation. The sony is about $1.5k less, plus you pay extra
for
the stand for the pioneer if you want that. Also, the Sony should have
steeper discounts more quickly since it does have direct competition from
Samsung and Sharp in the 52" LCD market.

Of course, you can always wait. there will always be better sets for less
money in the future...but then you'll never get a tv.





It's an off time to buy a display for me, I am holding out til spring or
so.
I waiting for the Sony SXRD A2000 (or it's new equivalent) to get the
soft
picture
problem sorted out and hoping for a new release early next year or so.
the
XBR
version has no problems but I'd like to save a couple grand :-)

Myself and 3 of my friends are playing the waiting game for new displays
at the moment.




Maybe you'll learn a few things about the current displays before spouting
off nonsense like problems with viewing angles.





wrote:





I am about to buy a 1080p 50/52 inch Monitor. I am going back and
forth between the Sony KDL-52XBR3 and the Elite PRO-FHD1. These are in
my mind the best Plasma and LCD televisions available. I'd be
interested in some advice as to a comparison and the pros and cons of
buying each.

Thank you in advance.






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"RicSeyler" wrote in message
...
That's why there is more than 1 choice in technologies......
You couldn't give me an LCD..... well I guess you could give me one! LOL

Okay, so you're a closed-minded pinhead.


The weaknesses of Plasma don't outweigh the weaknesses of LCD to me.
And like I said I'm waiting for the next SXRD displays, so I'm not
buying either.

well, your so-called weaknesses weren't validly applied to modern
technology. If you don't want to look, fine. But don't act like you know
what you're talking about. You've not addressed anything I've mentioned.
In fact, I'd wager that you've not seen either set, and are basing your
conclusions on old and invalid data and your narrow-minded biases. I've
seen both, I played with both extensively. I considered how and where the
sets I was getting were to be used and felt the LCD was a better decision.
Like I said, in a dark room I'd probably go plasma.


p.s. I never audition anything at a big box store.

Ooooh, you're an elitist as well. I certainly wouldn't recommend only
checking at a BB or a CC since they have little ability to feed good
consistent signals to their gear and they rarely have much knowledge. Of
course, the salesmen at the boutiques are foten as ignorant, but they'll try
and pretend they know what they're doing.


Nominal wrote:

"RicSeyler" wrote in message
. ..


Humm.... LCD Owner? LOL



Hot damn, a guy who knows absolutely **** leads off with an ad hominem
attack. No, not an LCD owner, nor a plasma.

I used to not like LCD's either. I've recently researched them
extensively
for a big installation for a friend. The LCD vs. plasma reflection issue
was painfully obvious at a smaller circuit city store near me, where
several
big flat panels were positioned opposite the front door. The LCDs (the new
sammy and sony 46" LCD's looked really nice, despite the afternoon sun.
The
plasmas were all so reflective I could identify brands of cars speeding by
on the highway outside, and the reflecions were very distracting to what
was
otherwise a very good picture.

If you want to hunker down in a blackout room, go plasma.

If you're putting a set in a living room with two or three walls of
windows,
go LCD.

On the 46 and 52" XBR2 LCD's, the viewing angle is fantastic for a full
178
degrees. No color washout whatsoever. Black levels/back lighting work
better than the plasma in a bright room (even one without direct
reflections). Motion artifacts are non-existent to my eyes.

Check out the sets at a good home theater store...despite a much more
careful setup than what you get at BB or CC, you'll still get reflectons
on
the plasma screens.

SO again, I ask where is the set to be installed.



Nominal wrote:



"RicSeyler" wrote in message
. ..




I don't like LCD's...... Poor Black Levels, Poor Off Axis viewing,
Motion
Artifacts...
Although that Sony has supposedly addressed some of that stuff.




You're living in the past. All that is very good to excellent on the
Sony
LCD. Most LCD's over the last few years have 170 degree or more viewing
angles, and the sony is as 180 degree as you can go.





Iffin you are picking between the two I definitely go with the Pioneer
Plasma.
(accepts1080p & 1920x1080 rez, the final step plasmas have been
needing)




Bull spit...it all depends. The Pioneer has a marginally better picture
in
some applications, but not most by any means. In a very dark room, the
Pioneer is better. The Sony is much better in a bright room, and if
there
are direct light reflections the Pioneer sucks hard...the reflective
glass
surface is such a great mirror you can shave off it. In a normal living
room with windows the sony is much better.

The Pioneer has no tuner if that matters for OTA reception. The larger
Sony
has more inputs. The Sony isn't light at just over 100 lbs., but the
Pioneer is over 200 lbs., so the Sony is easily enough handled by two
people
for self-installation. The sony is about $1.5k less, plus you pay extra
for
the stand for the pioneer if you want that. Also, the Sony should have
steeper discounts more quickly since it does have direct competition
from
Samsung and Sharp in the 52" LCD market.

Of course, you can always wait. there will always be better sets for
less
money in the future...but then you'll never get a tv.





It's an off time to buy a display for me, I am holding out til spring
or
so.
I waiting for the Sony SXRD A2000 (or it's new equivalent) to get the
soft
picture
problem sorted out and hoping for a new release early next year or so.
the
XBR
version has no problems but I'd like to save a couple grand :-)

Myself and 3 of my friends are playing the waiting game for new
displays
at the moment.




Maybe you'll learn a few things about the current displays before
spouting
off nonsense like problems with viewing angles.





wrote:





I am about to buy a 1080p 50/52 inch Monitor. I am going back and
forth between the Sony KDL-52XBR3 and the Elite PRO-FHD1. These are
in
my mind the best Plasma and LCD televisions available. I'd be
interested in some advice as to a comparison and the pros and cons of
buying each.

Thank you in advance.






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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:58:14 GMT, "Nominal" wrote:


"RicSeyler" wrote in message
.. .
I don't like LCD's...... Poor Black Levels, Poor Off Axis viewing, Motion
Artifacts...
Although that Sony has supposedly addressed some of that stuff.

You're living in the past. All that is very good to excellent on the Sony
LCD. Most LCD's over the last few years have 170 degree or more viewing
angles, and the sony is as 180 degree as you can go.


Iffin you are picking between the two I definitely go with the Pioneer
Plasma.
(accepts1080p & 1920x1080 rez, the final step plasmas have been needing)

Bull spit...it all depends. The Pioneer has a marginally better picture in
some applications, but not most by any means. In a very dark room, the
Pioneer is better. The Sony is much better in a bright room, and if there
are direct light reflections the Pioneer sucks hard...the reflective glass
surface is such a great mirror you can shave off it. In a normal living
room with windows the sony is much better.

The Pioneer has no tuner if that matters for OTA reception. The larger Sony
has more inputs. The Sony isn't light at just over 100 lbs., but the
Pioneer is over 200 lbs., so the Sony is easily enough handled by two people
for self-installation. The sony is about $1.5k less, plus you pay extra for
the stand for the pioneer if you want that. Also, the Sony should have
steeper discounts more quickly since it does have direct competition from
Samsung and Sharp in the 52" LCD market.


You are correct. Mr RicSeyler is seriously misinformed about the
current LCD offernings. I have a 55" Samsung LCD (1080P) which I
purchased for $2,800 at Costco last which has a picture quality that
is better than any plasma I've seen. And 50"+ plasmas at the time were
selling for around ten grand if you wanted 1080P. The horizontal and
vertical viewing angles are incredible with hardly any picture
deterioration regardless of where in the room you sit.

Costco currently has a Samsung 67" LCD in 1080P for $3,400.00 and the
picture quality is stunning.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...&brows e=&s=1

Add Samsung's TQ85 HTIB which is currently selling at Costco's for
$385.00, and you have a complete HT system for under $4,000 that will
blow you away.

http://reviews.cnet.com/Samsung_HT_T...-31929471.html




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Thank you both for your help. I live in S. Florida and have to windows
in the room where the TV will be (though neither window will face the
tv - one will be behind it to the left and one will be to the side
perpendicular). The pricing is pretty comparable. Is it really just a
question of lighting in the room? I am going to get a high definition
DirectTv receiver for either of them and a Bluray and I have a surround
system so I wouldn't use the speakers that come with it anyway. Am I
correct in my assumption that the built in tuner and speakers are
non-issues for me?

I would wait for HDMI 1.3 but once that comes out then I could wait for
Laser technology instead of Plasma or LCD and once that comes out I
could wait for lunar technology brought down from the new international
space station which will have been built on the moon by the time I
finally buy something - So I want to upgrade already even at the risk
of being an early adopter and overpaying for technology that will be
superceded in 8 months.




Nominal wrote:
"RicSeyler" wrote in message
...
That's why there is more than 1 choice in technologies......
You couldn't give me an LCD..... well I guess you could give me one! LOL

Okay, so you're a closed-minded pinhead.


The weaknesses of Plasma don't outweigh the weaknesses of LCD to me.
And like I said I'm waiting for the next SXRD displays, so I'm not
buying either.

well, your so-called weaknesses weren't validly applied to modern
technology. If you don't want to look, fine. But don't act like you know
what you're talking about. You've not addressed anything I've mentioned.
In fact, I'd wager that you've not seen either set, and are basing your
conclusions on old and invalid data and your narrow-minded biases. I've
seen both, I played with both extensively. I considered how and where the
sets I was getting were to be used and felt the LCD was a better decision.
Like I said, in a dark room I'd probably go plasma.


p.s. I never audition anything at a big box store.

Ooooh, you're an elitist as well. I certainly wouldn't recommend only
checking at a BB or a CC since they have little ability to feed good
consistent signals to their gear and they rarely have much knowledge. Of
course, the salesmen at the boutiques are foten as ignorant, but they'll try
and pretend they know what they're doing.


Nominal wrote:

"RicSeyler" wrote in message
. ..


Humm.... LCD Owner? LOL



Hot damn, a guy who knows absolutely **** leads off with an ad hominem
attack. No, not an LCD owner, nor a plasma.

I used to not like LCD's either. I've recently researched them
extensively
for a big installation for a friend. The LCD vs. plasma reflection issue
was painfully obvious at a smaller circuit city store near me, where
several
big flat panels were positioned opposite the front door. The LCDs (the new
sammy and sony 46" LCD's looked really nice, despite the afternoon sun.
The
plasmas were all so reflective I could identify brands of cars speeding by
on the highway outside, and the reflecions were very distracting to what
was
otherwise a very good picture.

If you want to hunker down in a blackout room, go plasma.

If you're putting a set in a living room with two or three walls of
windows,
go LCD.

On the 46 and 52" XBR2 LCD's, the viewing angle is fantastic for a full
178
degrees. No color washout whatsoever. Black levels/back lighting work
better than the plasma in a bright room (even one without direct
reflections). Motion artifacts are non-existent to my eyes.

Check out the sets at a good home theater store...despite a much more
careful setup than what you get at BB or CC, you'll still get reflectons
on
the plasma screens.

SO again, I ask where is the set to be installed.



Nominal wrote:



"RicSeyler" wrote in message
. ..




I don't like LCD's...... Poor Black Levels, Poor Off Axis viewing,
Motion
Artifacts...
Although that Sony has supposedly addressed some of that stuff.




You're living in the past. All that is very good to excellent on the
Sony
LCD. Most LCD's over the last few years have 170 degree or more viewing
angles, and the sony is as 180 degree as you can go.





Iffin you are picking between the two I definitely go with the Pioneer
Plasma.
(accepts1080p & 1920x1080 rez, the final step plasmas have been
needing)




Bull spit...it all depends. The Pioneer has a marginally better picture
in
some applications, but not most by any means. In a very dark room, the
Pioneer is better. The Sony is much better in a bright room, and if
there
are direct light reflections the Pioneer sucks hard...the reflective
glass
surface is such a great mirror you can shave off it. In a normal living
room with windows the sony is much better.

The Pioneer has no tuner if that matters for OTA reception. The larger
Sony
has more inputs. The Sony isn't light at just over 100 lbs., but the
Pioneer is over 200 lbs., so the Sony is easily enough handled by two
people
for self-installation. The sony is about $1.5k less, plus you pay extra
for
the stand for the pioneer if you want that. Also, the Sony should have
steeper discounts more quickly since it does have direct competition
from
Samsung and Sharp in the 52" LCD market.

Of course, you can always wait. there will always be better sets for
less
money in the future...but then you'll never get a tv.





It's an off time to buy a display for me, I am holding out til spring
or
so.
I waiting for the Sony SXRD A2000 (or it's new equivalent) to get the
soft
picture
problem sorted out and hoping for a new release early next year or so.
the
XBR
version has no problems but I'd like to save a couple grand :-)

Myself and 3 of my friends are playing the waiting game for new
displays
at the moment.




Maybe you'll learn a few things about the current displays before
spouting
off nonsense like problems with viewing angles.





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I am about to buy a 1080p 50/52 inch Monitor. I am going back and
forth between the Sony KDL-52XBR3 and the Elite PRO-FHD1. These are
in
my mind the best Plasma and LCD televisions available. I'd be
interested in some advice as to a comparison and the pros and cons of
buying each.

Thank you in advance.






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Nominal wrote:

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That's why there is more than 1 choice in technologies......
You couldn't give me an LCD..... well I guess you could give me one! LOL



Okay, so you're a closed-minded pinhead.


LOLOLOLOL!!



The weaknesses of Plasma don't outweigh the weaknesses of LCD to me.
And like I said I'm waiting for the next SXRD displays, so I'm not
buying either.



well, your so-called weaknesses weren't validly applied to modern
technology. If you don't want to look, fine. But don't act like you know
what you're talking about. You've not addressed anything I've mentioned.
In fact, I'd wager that you've not seen either set, and are basing your
conclusions on old and invalid data and your narrow-minded biases. I've
seen both, I played with both extensively. I considered how and where the
sets I was getting were to be used and felt the LCD was a better decision.
Like I said, in a dark room I'd probably go plasma.


When you are saying "Old Technology" are you talking 2 months ago? Or
last week? LOL
There have just been a couple LCD's released in the last 6 weeks or so
that are addressing
these known and well publicized issues with LCD. As best they can at the
moment. And iffin
you read my original post the new Sony has addresses some of these.

Might want to look into your statement a tad there, man.
Look up reviews on LCD flat panels. From Home Theater Magazine site,
Wide Screen Review site,
Perfect Vision site, Sound and Vision site, AVS Forum. See what ALL of
them say about off axis, motion
artifacts and most important black levels..... I didn't pull this stuff
out of the ether......
It's also a case of "You gonna believe me or your lying eyes" LOL You a
Bush supporter also man?! j/k ;-)



p.s. I never audition anything at a big box store.



Ooooh, you're an elitist as well.

Ummm no, you insinuated that's what I do.... PFFFFFFFFFTTTTT
slaps knee

I certainly wouldn't recommend only
checking at a BB or a CC since they have little ability to feed good
consistent signals to their gear and they rarely have much knowledge. Of
course, the salesmen at the boutiques are foten as ignorant, but they'll try
and pretend they know what they're doing.


That's why it pays to be as knowledgeable or more knowledgeable on what
you are looking for
than the drones, before even stepping into the store.

But like I said before, that's why there is more than one choice in the
world.
I'm just saying I wouldn't spend my money on one, at least at this
development point of the technology.




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