Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?

"Bob Lucas" wrote in message
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Consequently, there is nothing to prevent a viewer in the UK from
using a different type of digital receiver (i.e. non-Sky
equipment)
to view any channel that is genuinely Free to Air (i.e. not
encrypted).


I think you are missing the point, at least from were I'm standing
(!), if I want to pay to watch for example the encrypted Discovery
channels I should not be required to a/. have a BskyB neuted box and
b/. have a minimum service from Sky before I can subscribe.

"Bob Lucas" wrote in message
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BBC and some other broadcasters already transmit Free to Air programmes
from the Astra 2A/2B/2D and Eurobird 1 satellites at 28.2E (i.e. the same
location as Sky transmissions to the UK)

Consequently, there is nothing to prevent a viewer in the UK from using a
different type of digital receiver (i.e. non-Sky equipment) to view any
channel that is genuinely Free to Air (i.e. not encrypted).


I do have a normal free to air satellite reciever but I'm afraid Joe Public
would find it hard to use. The Sky is easy with its EPG system and stations
in a set order, and programme info. etc.
With my fta box it would be hard work for Joe P to find the station he was
after. Also with some station the w/s switching is not automatic and you
have to manually alter the TV's ratio.
What really is needed is a 'Sky' type box being made for use on fta and sold
in shops, all makers being able to produce it. But as the Government the
will to loosen Skys grip on the control of specs and makers.

But I do like Skys boxes and Remote controls all working alike not like the
shambles of Freeview boxes some doing this and others doing different
features of the broadcasts.
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Regards,
David

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"Jerry" wrote in message
reenews.net...

if I want to pay to watch for example the encrypted Discovery
channels I should not be required to a/. have a BskyB neuted box and
b/. have a minimum service from Sky before I can subscribe.

You do not have to have any Sky service subscription to have Sky install and
supply thier box for you to watch the FTV stations.
--
Regards,
David

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"David" wrote in message
...

"Jerry" wrote in message
reenews.net...

if I want to pay to watch for example the encrypted Discovery
channels I should not be required to a/. have a BskyB neuted box
and
b/. have a minimum service from Sky before I can subscribe.

You do not have to have any Sky service subscription to have Sky
install and
supply thier box for you to watch the FTV stations.

What don't you understand about "if I want to pay to watch for
example the encrypted Discovery...."? I know that I can use a non
BSkyB box to receive FTV stations, that is not what I was talking
about, no one should be forced to pay for one channel so that they
can then either watch FTA channels (that come 'free' with the base
subscription) or pay to access other channels.

In article , Bob Lucas
writes

Its about time there was a free to air service to the UK that could
carry TV without the dictates of the Sky box
--
Tony Sayer


There is. The BBC and some other broadcasters already provide free to
air digital transmissions. However, a Sky (or Sky+) receiver is the
only type of equipment with a decoder that is able to decode:

a) subscription channels transmitted via the Sky platform

b) Free-to-view channels (as opposed to Free to Air) via the Sky
platform (primarily Ch4 and five, which are encrypted,
non-subscription channels)

BBC and some other broadcasters already transmit Free to Air
programmes from the Astra 2A/2B/2D and Eurobird 1 satellites at 28.2E
(i.e. the same location as Sky transmissions to the UK)

Consequently, there is nothing to prevent a viewer in the UK from
using a different type of digital receiver (i.e. non-Sky equipment)
to view any channel that is genuinely Free to Air (i.e. not
encrypted).



Yes I think thats generally known, but try telling people that they
still have to have a Sky box and card for channel 4 and 5 and that puts
them off the idea..

Its not very good "joined up" digital thinking..
--
Tony Sayer

"Jerry" wrote in message
reenews.net...

You do not have to have any Sky service subscription to have Sky
install and
supply thier box for you to watch the FTV stations.

What don't you understand about "if I want to pay to watch for
example the encrypted Discovery...."? I know that I can use a non
BSkyB box to receive FTV stations, that is not what I was talking
about, no one should be forced to pay for one channel so that they
can then either watch FTA channels (that come 'free' with the base
subscription) or pay to access other channels.


Yes I understand, but you are not reading what I said!

Sky will install / supply you with a SKY box just to watch the FTA and FTV
stations for a one off fee. NO subscription is to be paid.

£150 http://www.freesatfromsky.co.uk/

--
Regards,
David

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On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:43:04 -0000, "Jerry"
wrote:

What don't you understand about "if I want to pay to watch for
example the encrypted Discovery...."? I know that I can use a non
BSkyB box to receive FTV stations, that is not what I was talking
about, no one should be forced to pay for one channel so that they
can then either watch FTA channels (that come 'free' with the base
subscription) or pay to access other channels.

You mean, like being forced to pay for the BBC (through the licence
fee) in order to watch other channels?

Rod.

In article , David
writes

"Bob Lucas" wrote in message
...


BBC and some other broadcasters already transmit Free to Air programmes
from the Astra 2A/2B/2D and Eurobird 1 satellites at 28.2E (i.e. the same
location as Sky transmissions to the UK)

Consequently, there is nothing to prevent a viewer in the UK from using a
different type of digital receiver (i.e. non-Sky equipment) to view any
channel that is genuinely Free to Air (i.e. not encrypted).


I do have a normal free to air satellite reciever but I'm afraid Joe Public
would find it hard to use. The Sky is easy with its EPG system and stations
in a set order, and programme info. etc.
With my fta box it would be hard work for Joe P to find the station he was
after. Also with some station the w/s switching is not automatic and you
have to manually alter the TV's ratio.



What really is needed is a 'Sky' type box being made for use on fta and sold
in shops, all makers being able to produce it.



But as the Government the
will to loosen Skys grip on the control of specs and makers.

Precisely!....


But I do like Skys boxes and Remote controls all working alike not like the
shambles of Freeview boxes some doing this and others doing different
features of the broadcasts.

--
Tony Sayer

"JF" wrote...
tony sayer writes

Its about time there was a free to air service to the UK that could
carry TV without the dictates of the Sky box

How wicked of the BSkyB to be successful!

Even Hitler was successful for a while, Jimbo.

Matti

In message , Bob Lucas
writes

Consequently, there is nothing to prevent a viewer in the UK from
using a different type of digital receiver (i.e. non-Sky equipment)
to view any channel that is genuinely Free to Air (i.e. not
encrypted).

BSkyB's soft encryption meets the requirments of copyright owners when
granting territorial rights.

--
James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk and http://www.marjacq.com