VHF DTT (TNT)

I noticed that when I rescanned my Topfield 5800pvr it searched through
BandIII VHF. Does anyone know if there will be UK DTT services in that
band or, since I used to be a DXer, any proposed European services.

I live in East Kent and regularly pick up Analogue French Belgium and
Dutch services in Band I and III VHF.

Regards and TIA

madge wrote:
I noticed that when I rescanned my Topfield 5800pvr it searched
through BandIII VHF. Does anyone know if there will be UK DTT
services in that band or, since I used to be a DXer, any proposed
European services.

No VHF DTT in the U.K., no, but it is apparently used in Germany - see
www.dvb.org/about_dvb/dvb_worldwide/germany/ (bottom of the page).
Germany is a major market in Europe for the Topfield PVR, so it's not
surprising that Band III is included.

André Coutanche

In article [email protected], madge
writes
I noticed that when I rescanned my Topfield 5800pvr it searched through
BandIII VHF. Does anyone know if there will be UK DTT services in that
band or, since I used to be a DXer, any proposed European services.

Doubtful, in the UK part of that band is used by DAB and part for
trunked PMR.

--
Ian G8ILZ

André Coutanche wrote:
madge wrote:
I noticed that when I rescanned my Topfield 5800pvr it searched
through BandIII VHF. Does anyone know if there will be UK DTT
services in that band or, since I used to be a DXer, any proposed
European services.

No VHF DTT in the U.K., no, but it is apparently used in Germany - see
www.dvb.org/about_dvb/dvb_worldwide/germany/ (bottom of the page).
Germany is a major market in Europe for the Topfield PVR, so it's not
surprising that Band III is included.


Italy is also the other user of VHF. Actually its a really good test of
the receiver to test using Italy modulation, they are getting the same
bit rate from 7MHz VHF as the UK gets from 8MHz (64QAM) UHF.

Most areas that used VHF in analogue are now staying with UHF for
digital, probably for future frequency planning simplicity. France and
Finland are good examples, although Finland reserves the right to ise
VHF later on but could be a problem since most of their STBs are UHF only.

--
Tony

"Tony" wrote in message
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André Coutanche wrote:
madge wrote:
I noticed that when I rescanned my Topfield 5800pvr it searched
through BandIII VHF. Does anyone know if there will be UK DTT
services in that band or, since I used to be a DXer, any proposed
European services.

No VHF DTT in the U.K., no, but it is apparently used in Germany - see
www.dvb.org/about_dvb/dvb_worldwide/germany/ (bottom of the page).
Germany is a major market in Europe for the Topfield PVR, so it's not
surprising that Band III is included.

If you want to be pedantic the UK already does use VHF Band III for Digital
Terrestrial Television. BBC1, ITV1, Channel 4, E4 and the ITN News Channel
are broadcast nationally on 222 MHz (223.9 MHz in Scotland) via the Digital
One network.The pictures are very small (only about 120 lines), the bitrate
is very low (only 96 kbps per channel), and you can only unencrypt the
broadcasts if you subscribe to Virgin Mobile. Nevertheless it's Digital,
it's Terrestrial, it's Television, and it's on Band III VHF.

In message
"Stephen" wrote:

"Tony" wrote in message
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André Coutanche wrote:
madge wrote:
I noticed that when I rescanned my Topfield 5800pvr it searched
through BandIII VHF. Does anyone know if there will be UK DTT
services in that band or, since I used to be a DXer, any proposed
European services.

No VHF DTT in the U.K., no, but it is apparently used in Germany - see
www.dvb.org/about_dvb/dvb_worldwide/germany/ (bottom of the page).
Germany is a major market in Europe for the Topfield PVR, so it's not
surprising that Band III is included.

If you want to be pedantic the UK already does use VHF Band III for Digital
Terrestrial Television. BBC1, ITV1, Channel 4, E4 and the ITN News Channel
are broadcast nationally on 222 MHz (223.9 MHz in Scotland) via the Digital
One network.The pictures are very small (only about 120 lines), the bitrate
is very low (only 96 kbps per channel), and you can only unencrypt the
broadcasts if you subscribe to Virgin Mobile. Nevertheless it's Digital,
it's Terrestrial, it's Television, and it's on Band III VHF.

Just to join in the pedantry, it's my understanding that (1) the
Channel 4 service you refer to is not at present what you see on an
ordinary TV but bite-size programme chunks provided by the Channel 4
company; and (2) the trial BBC One service is not encrypted.

--
Richard L.

I think the UK should start HD DTT transmisions on VHF. Just about all
countries still use VHF Band III though Band I they are shutting down
now which is a shame for any TV DX'ers which pick up these
transmissions during the sporadic E season each year from May -
September

Band III for TV has a lot going for it, you can have far fewer lower
powered relays which have a much better coverage than UHF obviously

In uk.tech.digital-tv wrote:
: I think the UK should start HD DTT transmisions on VHF. Just about all
: countries still use VHF Band III though Band I they are shutting down
: now

My understanding is that the UK *CANNOT* go back to using VHF (without
renegociating complex international agreements). AFAIK it was the usual
mess-up by the UK. We agreed to use UHF only (PAL-I) rather than the, still
used by most of Europe UHF+VHF (PAL-B/G). Using VHF for other things
in the UK was then severely limited by the need not to cause interference
on the continent!

In article , Brian McIlwrath
writes
In uk.tech.digital-tv wrote:
: I think the UK should start HD DTT transmisions on VHF. Just about all
: countries still use VHF Band III though Band I they are shutting down
: now

My understanding is that the UK *CANNOT* go back to using VHF (without
renegociating complex international agreements). AFAIK it was the usual
mess-up by the UK. We agreed to use UHF only (PAL-I) rather than the, still
used by most of Europe UHF+VHF (PAL-B/G). Using VHF for other things
in the UK was then severely limited by the need not to cause interference
on the continent!

No the move to UHF was at the time and still is a sensible decision.
There is much more usable spectrum suited to TV reception.

VHF Band 3 contains some PMR, Services ancillary to broadcasting, and of
course DAB!...
--
Tony Sayer

"tony sayer" wrote in message
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In article , Brian McIlwrath
writes
In uk.tech.digital-tv wrote:
: I think the UK should start HD DTT transmisions on VHF. Just about all
: countries still use VHF Band III though Band I they are shutting down
: now

My understanding is that the UK *CANNOT* go back to using VHF (without
renegociating complex international agreements). AFAIK it was the usual
mess-up by the UK. We agreed to use UHF only (PAL-I) rather than the,
still
used by most of Europe UHF+VHF (PAL-B/G). Using VHF for other things
in the UK was then severely limited by the need not to cause interference
on the continent!

No the move to UHF was at the time and still is a sensible decision.
There is much more usable spectrum suited to TV reception.

VHF Band 3 contains some PMR, Services ancillary to broadcasting, and of
course DAB!...
--

Only a tiny part, any services surely could be moved. Btw was'nt it so daft
for years we had the police on AM on the upper part of Band II...crazy !

But no HD on VHF never going to happen of course. I just hope UHF is solely
used for HD freeview in a few years