Do you TiVo? VCR? DVD-R/RW?

On 2006-11-17, krw wrote:
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On 2006-11-17, krw wrote:
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:16:41 GMT, "Travis M."
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On 5/24/06 3:02 PM, in article
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"Bob Ward" wrote:

what kind of dvr do you have? anyone have a DVR with
a hard drive?

All DVR's have hard drives.

No. No, they don't. But thanks for playing.

Digital Video Recorders?. . . The three I have and the
others I know about
have hard drives. I'm curious as to what you mean. If not
onto a hard disc.
. . What?

Some record straight to DVD and have no hard drive.

DVD R only with a tuner? Can you provide model numbers?

Doing a quick Google search...

RCA DRC8060N
Liteon LVW-5005
Samsung DVD-TR520
Pioneer DVR-RT500


It does seem strange to consider these DVRs.

What would you call them?

Those things are DVD recorders. That's what I'd cal them.

I call them DVDRs (sorta the same thing). I've had a LiteOn 5045
for over a year and love it.

These people are fixating on the storage medium when the
real issue is the recording features. Some of the more sophisticated
VHS players have features on part with PVR's. They just have a limited
storage medium. All the DVD orientation does is make things potentially
slightly less convenient.

I disagree. The DVD makes things more permanent for those who like
a library of shows. Both my DVRs (Cable box and the LiteOn) have

DVD's scratch if you look at them funny. Whereas data on
magnetic disk is as transient or as permanent as you want it to
be. It's also a simpler to copy.

160GB HDs, the LiteOn also has a DVD recorder. This gives me all
the flexibility of a VCR and a lot more.

7.5G can be a lot of storage depending on your needs.

OTOH, 80G still may be entirely insuffucient.

I had both 160s full a while back. I've since moved a bunch off to
DVDs.

My Myth has 134 DVD's in it.

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"Travis M." shaped the electrons to say:
What would you call them?

A DVD Recorder.

The CE industry does not consider them Digital Video Recorders, that
term is used for units with a hard drive, and recently sometimes units
that record to solid state mass storage (SD cards, etc).

-MZ
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Mike Hunt shaped the electrons to say:
80G is woefully insufficient for SD. Anything less than 180 hours I would
say just isn't justified in today's market.

I've been happy with 80GB on my main S2 TiVo for years, space has
never been a problem - and I record at 'High' on it. It is a DVD unit
(Pioneer DVR-810H) so that's solid, 2 hours fills a DVD. The unit has
about 30 hours of capacity at High.

On a standard, non-DVD S2 TiVo I always record at 'Best'. So while
80GB is 80 hours at 'Basic', it is ~20 hours on an 80GB drive.

My main unit now is a Series3 with a 250GB drive, which I use for a
mix of HD and SD, and that is WAY more than enough space for me.

It all depends on how much TV you record and how long you tend to keep
it. I usually watch things within a day or two of recording, if not
later the same day.

-MZ
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:07:42 -0600, JEDIDIAH
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On 2006-11-17, Mark Lloyd wrote:
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On 2006-11-17, krw wrote:
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:16:41 GMT, "Travis M."
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On 5/24/06 3:02 PM, in article
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"Bob Ward" wrote:
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Some of the more sophisticated
VHS players have features on part with PVR's. They just have a limited
storage medium. All the DVD orientation does is make things potentially
slightly less convenient.

7.5G can be a lot of storage depending on your needs.


What has 7.5G? Maybe that's DVD-RAM, since regular DVDs hold 4.7G and

Dual Layer. Not quite the same thing as double sided.


Right. Sorry for the mistake. 8.5G is for dual layer. Where are you
getting the double-sided DVDRs?

Although something like MO drive setup with dual layer optical disks
would bring the storage potential up to 15G.

double-sided ones hold 8.5G.

OTOH, 80G still may be entirely insuffucient.

I would find 80G sufficient for a DVR. Of course that's not counting
HD.

A mere 80G doesn't give one an opportunity to record very
much in the way of diverse content while still giving you a good
amount of time to get around to watching it.
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 10:41:13 -0700, Rick Blaine
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Mark Lloyd wrote:

It does seem strange to consider these DVRs.

What would you call them?

Those things are DVD recorders. That's what I'd cal them.

Ummm... DVR = Digital Video Recorder

Kind of covers recording on any medium, doesn't it?

Sure. I never said it was the medium that kept a DVD recorder from
being a DVR. Someone else must have said that.
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On 2006-11-17, krw wrote:
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:16:41 GMT, "Travis M."
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"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:53:32 -0500, "Seth"
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"Bob Ward" wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:54:26 -0500, "Seth"
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On 5/24/06 3:02 PM, in article
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"Bob Ward" wrote:

what kind of dvr do you have? anyone have a DVR with
a hard drive?

All DVR's have hard drives.

No. No, they don't. But thanks for playing.

Digital Video Recorders?. . . The three I have and the
others I know about
have hard drives. I'm curious as to what you mean. If not
onto a hard disc.
. . What?

Some record straight to DVD and have no hard drive.

DVD R only with a tuner? Can you provide model numbers?

Doing a quick Google search...

RCA DRC8060N
Liteon LVW-5005
Samsung DVD-TR520
Pioneer DVR-RT500


It does seem strange to consider these DVRs.

What would you call them?

Those things are DVD recorders. That's what I'd cal them.

I call them DVDRs (sorta the same thing). I've had a LiteOn 5045
for over a year and love it.

These people are fixating on the storage medium when the
real issue is the recording features. Some of the more sophisticated
VHS players have features on part with PVR's. They just have a limited
storage medium. All the DVD orientation does is make things potentially
slightly less convenient.

I disagree. The DVD makes things more permanent for those who like
a library of shows. Both my DVRs (Cable box and the LiteOn) have

DVD's scratch if you look at them funny. Whereas data on
magnetic disk is as transient or as permanent as you want it to
be. It's also a simpler to copy.

You're on drugs. DVDs also cost less than a nickle a GB.

160GB HDs, the LiteOn also has a DVD recorder. This gives me all
the flexibility of a VCR and a lot more.

7.5G can be a lot of storage depending on your needs.

OTOH, 80G still may be entirely insuffucient.

I had both 160s full a while back. I've since moved a bunch off to
DVDs.

My Myth has 134 DVD's in it.

Whoopie? What a man!

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krw shaped the electrons to say:
You're on drugs. DVDs also cost less than a nickle a GB.

Yeah, I own over 1,000 DVDs and I don't think I've had one fail from
scratches yet. And you can get DVD-Rs with TDK's coating which makes
them almost impossible to scratch. TDK developed the coating for
Blu-ray, so that they wouldn't need to use a catridge. (Since the BD
data later is just .1mm below the surface - as opposed to .6mm for DVD
and 1.1mm for CD - and the data pits are much smaller and much more
densely packed, scratches would be a bigger problem than on DVD.)

-MZ
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shaped the electrons to say:
Ummm... DVR = Digital Video Recorder
Kind of covers recording on any medium, doesn't it?

By that logic then a D-VHS deck is also a DVR.

I don't think most people would accept that usage of the term though.

-MZ
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On 2006-11-18, krw wrote:


In article , net
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On 2006-11-17, krw wrote:
In article , net
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On 2006-11-17, krw wrote:
In article ,
lid says...
On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:16:41 GMT, "Travis M."
wrote:

"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:53:32 -0500, "Seth"
wrote:

"Bob Ward" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:54:26 -0500, "Seth"
wrote:

"Vocalize" wrote in message
...

On 5/24/06 3:02 PM, in article
,
"Bob Ward" wrote:

what kind of dvr do you have? anyone have a DVR with
a hard drive?

All DVR's have hard drives.

No. No, they don't. But thanks for playing.

Digital Video Recorders?. . . The three I have and the
others I know about
have hard drives. I'm curious as to what you mean. If not
onto a hard disc.
. . What?

Some record straight to DVD and have no hard drive.

DVD R only with a tuner? Can you provide model numbers?

Doing a quick Google search...

RCA DRC8060N
Liteon LVW-5005
Samsung DVD-TR520
Pioneer DVR-RT500


It does seem strange to consider these DVRs.

What would you call them?

Those things are DVD recorders. That's what I'd cal them.

I call them DVDRs (sorta the same thing). I've had a LiteOn 5045
for over a year and love it.

These people are fixating on the storage medium when the
real issue is the recording features. Some of the more sophisticated
VHS players have features on part with PVR's. They just have a limited
storage medium. All the DVD orientation does is make things potentially
slightly less convenient.

I disagree. The DVD makes things more permanent for those who like
a library of shows. Both my DVRs (Cable box and the LiteOn) have

DVD's scratch if you look at them funny. Whereas data on
magnetic disk is as transient or as permanent as you want it to
be. It's also a simpler to copy.

You're on drugs. DVDs also cost less than a nickle a GB.

They may be cheap but that cheapness also requires you to
bother with 100x pieces of media for the same amount of storage as
an equivalent magnetic disk. That's 100x more the inconvenience.

Being able to copy 100 DVD's with a single copy command
and without needing to go through a mastering cycle or swapping
media is a pretty handy thing.

There's a reason that the floppy disk is dead...


160GB HDs, the LiteOn also has a DVD recorder. This gives me all
the flexibility of a VCR and a lot more.

7.5G can be a lot of storage depending on your needs.

OTOH, 80G still may be entirely insuffucient.

I had both 160s full a while back. I've since moved a bunch off to
DVDs.

My Myth has 134 DVD's in it.

Whoopie? What a man!

...just the march of technology.

750G disks are cheap and plentiful.

Multi Terabyte consumer RAID arrays are also cheap and plentiful.

Call me strange but I like having 1000+ hours of video
programming available at the touch of a button without the need
to go hunting and then fumble around for some disk that might get
scratched

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On 2006-11-18, MegaZone wrote:
krw shaped the electrons to say:
You're on drugs. DVDs also cost less than a nickle a GB.

Yeah, I own over 1,000 DVDs and I don't think I've had one fail from
scratches yet. And you can get DVD-Rs with TDK's coating which makes

...as long as you avoid the kids and the cars, it's pretty
easy. They're tough but certainly not indestructible. If you are
persistently careless, they will turn into coasters.

One nice thing about disk technology is that it's easy to
build redundancy into the system and make copies. We are quickly
reaching the point where all of your SD content will be cheap and
easy to backup ad infinitum just like mp3s.

MPEG4 makes this even easier (but requires a lot of re-encoding
much like mp3s).

them almost impossible to scratch. TDK developed the coating for
Blu-ray, so that they wouldn't need to use a catridge. (Since the BD
data later is just .1mm below the surface - as opposed to .6mm for DVD
and 1.1mm for CD - and the data pits are much smaller and much more
densely packed, scratches would be a bigger problem than on DVD.)

-MZ


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