OT - All DAB receivers to be obsolete - DAB is dead

"Chas Gill" wrote in message
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He's pulling your tool. It means 'Wily Oriental Gentleman'.

Bill

So, since when has Bradford been "infested" with Chinese people? I always
understood the acronym to be "Western Oriental Gentleman", which, broadly
speaking, encompasses most ethnic groups around the Indian sub-continent,
although I believe the term has also been used to describe those of Arab
descent.
That's because the term has had its meaning broadened in common parlance to
include any non European.


Regardless of all of this, the way in which it was used by the OP in
conjunction with the word infested
was clearly intended to be insulting and derogatory - and probably
gutless.
I doubt if the OP would have the nerve to exercise this particular bit of
free speech in Bradford on a Saturday night (or most other places, come to
that)
That's because he'd get beaten up. But that doesn't mean that he hasn't got
the right to say it if he wants to; nor does it make his assertion
incorrect. If you were to stand up in an association area in a prison and
say, "I think you lot are are a set of despicable criminals who get it far
too easy" you would probably be beaten up. But it wouldn't make you wrong.
In the way that the bully boys of Bradford or a prison would take away free
speech under the circumstances you propose, so the PC brigade would take
away all our free speech, with equally flimsy justification.

At most, using a word like 'wog' is just plain rude when it might offend
people. Rudeness can be dealt with by social censure, as it always has been,
not by PC hysterics.

Bill

In message , Chas Gill
writes

and I found it to be offensive and out of place in this NG.

Of course you did! That was the whole point! My use of 'wog' was the
equivalent of tapping a ship's biscuit on the wardroom table to dislodge
weevils. They fall out of the biccy, thrashing and gnashing and run
screaming for their mummies in the pious hope that such reactions
convince a disbelieving world that they're not racist when, of course,
they are. We all are. Our news editors understand us better than we
understand ourselves. They know that if a story hits the wires: 'Delhi
train derailment. Thousands feared dead.' that the only thing their
readers will be interested in is whether or not there were any Brits
among the victims. Ten Brits killed is enough for the senior editor to
authorise the cost of on the ground coverage.

And those that scream the loudest about other appalling people using
dreadful words, will be eagerly watching the Olympic games to see if our
nationals can **** all other their nationals.

--
James Follett.
"You have but one skin, so be proud of its colour; one first
language, so be proud of its riches; one culture, so be proud of its heritage.
And feel no guilt for the crimes of others."

Chas Gill wrote:
"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
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charles wrote:
In article ,

[Snip]

The issue is obviously the use of the word "wog".


Which of course means "Westernised Oriental Gentleman" - quite
polite really ;-)


Didn't know that. But I somehow don't think he was using it in
quite so polite a way as that.

He's pulling your tool. It means 'Wily Oriental Gentleman'.

Bill

So, since when has Bradford been "infested" with Chinese people? I
always understood the acronym to be "Western Oriental Gentleman",
which, broadly speaking, encompasses most ethnic groups around the
Indian sub-continent, although I believe the term has also been used
to describe those of Arab descent.

Regardless of all of this, the way in which it was used by the OP in
conjunction with the word infested
was clearly intended to be insulting and derogatory


I agree.


- and probably
gutless. I doubt if the OP would have the nerve to exercise this
particular bit of free speech in Bradford on a Saturday night (or
most other places, come to that)
and I found it to be offensive and out of place in this NG.


Hear hear.


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Pyriform wrote:
Matti Lamprhey wrote:
"tony sayer" wrote...
DAB sounds worse than FM writes

The issue is obviously the use of the word "wog".

My old dad when he came back from trashing Rommell and his ilk, told
me it meant Worthy Oriental Gentleman dunno whether thats correct
or not

That and similar 'derivations' are regarded as apocryphal. Look it
up in wikipedia.

The use of such terms can be dangerous -- if you want to start the
process of cleansing a group of people, first find a suitable
pejorative term for them. The term was heard most recently on BBC4's
programme on the Suez Crisis, when an erstwhile squaddie said "To us
they were all wogs -- we didn't really consider them to be human."

Indeed. All these folk etymologies are irrelevant. What matters with a
word - any word - is what it means, and how it is used. We all know
exactly what Follett meant.


Hear hear.


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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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"Chas Gill" wrote in message
...
He's pulling your tool. It means 'Wily Oriental Gentleman'.

Bill

So, since when has Bradford been "infested" with Chinese people? I
always
understood the acronym to be "Western Oriental Gentleman", which, broadly
speaking, encompasses most ethnic groups around the Indian sub-continent,
although I believe the term has also been used to describe those of Arab
descent.
That's because the term has had its meaning broadened in common parlance
to include any non European.


Regardless of all of this, the way in which it was used by the OP in
conjunction with the word infested
was clearly intended to be insulting and derogatory - and probably
gutless.
I doubt if the OP would have the nerve to exercise this particular bit of
free speech in Bradford on a Saturday night (or most other places, come
to that)
That's because he'd get beaten up. But that doesn't mean that he hasn't
got the right to say it if he wants to; nor does it make his assertion
incorrect. If you were to stand up in an association area in a prison and
say, "I think you lot are are a set of despicable criminals who get it far
too easy" you would probably be beaten up. But it wouldn't make you wrong.
In the way that the bully boys of Bradford or a prison would take away
free speech under the circumstances you propose, so the PC brigade would
take away all our free speech, with equally flimsy justification.

At most, using a word like 'wog' is just plain rude when it might offend
people. Rudeness can be dealt with by social censure, as it always has
been, not by PC hysterics.

Bill

Bill, we are in serious danger of agreeing. I hope that you didn't find my
contribution hysterical. As for the social censure, that's exactly what I
intended.

Chas

"Pyriform" wrote...
Matti Lamprhey wrote:
"tony sayer" wrote...
DAB sounds worse than FM writes

The issue is obviously the use of the word "wog".

My old dad when he came back from trashing Rommell and his ilk, told
me it meant Worthy Oriental Gentleman dunno whether thats correct
or not

That and similar 'derivations' are regarded as apocryphal. Look it
up in wikipedia.

The use of such terms can be dangerous -- if you want to start the
process of cleansing a group of people, first find a suitable
pejorative term for them. The term was heard most recently on BBC4's
programme on the Suez Crisis, when an erstwhile squaddie said "To us
they were all wogs -- we didn't really consider them to be human."

Indeed. All these folk etymologies are irrelevant. What matters with a
word - any word - is what it means, and how it is used. We all know
exactly what Follett meant.

Apparently Tourette's researchers have found a link between those who
are predisposed to using offensive terms and damage to a particular
genome section, and have labelled it Slurdism. The way is now open for
antenatal screening. Any slurds who make it through that will be
quickly rounded up for Processing. Jimbo Follett is on the list, don't
you worry.

Matti
PS My spelling checker wants to call it Toilette's Syndrome.

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:03:54 -0000, "Matti Lamprhey"
wrote:

The issue is obviously the use of the word "wog".

My old dad when he came back from trashing Rommell and his ilk, told
me it meant Worthy Oriental Gentleman dunno whether thats correct
or not

That and similar 'derivations' are regarded as apocryphal. Look it up
in wikipedia.

Or the Oxford English Dictionary:-

slang (derog. & racially offensive). E20.
A foreigner, esp. a non-white person or one of Arab extraction.
[Origin uncertain: perh. acronym from westernized oriental gentleman,
or abbreviation of GOLLIWOG.]

And under "golliwog", it has:-

A black-faced brightly dressed soft doll with fuzzy hair;
(offensive) a person resembling such a doll.
[from Golliwogg a doll character in books by B. Upton (d. 1912), US
writer. Perh. suggested by GOLLY noun1 and POLLIWOG.]

You can chase these sub-derivations indefinitely, but "golly" is given
as an expression of surprise, and a "polliwog" is a tadpole, so I
guess the original "Golliwogg" might have been thought to resemble a
surprised tadpole.

In the end, the meanings of words like these depend on context, and
the intentions behind their use. Sometimes they can be used
tastelessly or offensively, but I am pleased to report that when
Classic FM played " The Golliwog's Cakewalk" by Claude Debussy the
other day, they had no problem introducing it as such, because that's
what it's called.

Rod.

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 01:06:28 -0000, "Bill Wright"
wrote:

As I recall, the BBC didn't turn off 405-line broadcasts. Instead, they
realised that they hadn't been transmitting due to a fault and that
no-one had complained. Consequently, they decided not to bother with a
repair.

Didn't they donate them to hospitals?

For treatment that warmed the tisses by radio. It used to cause
interference.

"Diathermy"?

Rod.

tony sayer wrote:
In article , DAB sounds
worse than FM writes
Luke Bosman wrote:
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

no_Spam" "(no_Spam)andywilkins wrote:
I think it will be a phased in change over a number of years, in
the same way the change from 405 to 625 line TV was undertaken.


I don't know how that change happened, but I agree it will be a
phased change depending on the proportion of receivers that can and
cannot receive the new standard.

As I recall, the BBC didn't turn off 405-line broadcasts. Instead,
they realised that they hadn't been transmitting due to a fault and
that no-one had complained. Consequently, they decided not to bother
with a repair.

Disclaimer: I'm going entirely on memory here, but I think this
would have been around the mid- to late-1980s, twenty or more years
after 625 line broadcasts had begun.


I know nothing about how they phased out 405-line TV, and nor do I
care about what happened in a time when the consumer electronics
industry was unrecognisingly backward in comparison to today.

Don't know why you think that Steve, it was OK as far as it could be
some of the silicon stuff obviously wasn't around but the overall
attitude was to make the quality better, rather then today's "lets see
how much we can throw away" before anyone objects and if they do its
all "market forces"..


I'm no expert on the consumer electronics industry in the 70s and 80s, but
AFAIAC I can see that there's been a huge shift between pre- and
post-digital eras, because new technologies rise and fall rapidly these
days - just look at VHS and DVD for an example, VHS has been around since
the 80s and it's only recently started to die out, whereas DVD rose rapidly
(it was the fastest-growing consumer electronics product of all time), and
now we're just on the verge of the beginning of its replacement by
next-generation DVDs.

Also, PC-ownership, IMO, makes people more likely to accept that if they
want better performance then they have to upgrade on a shorter lifecycle
than would have been acceptable years ago.


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On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:23:18 GMT, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
wrote:

I meant no criticism of, nor comment on, any timescale. I stopped
using my ONdigital box because it died. My parents' old colour tv,
bought in 1967, still works.


Your last post, just like the post I'm replying to, imply something: the
last one implied that 405-line TV took years and years before it was
actually switched off - the implication was obviously that it will or might
happen that way on DAB. This last post you're doing it again, by saying that
your OnDigital box died, therefore trying to imply that likely many other
people's boxes did too, thus the rapid decline in the number of legacy
set-top boxes was partly to do with them dying, and not because people just
binned them because they bought better boxes.

There has been quite a considerable culture change since the days of
the 405/625 TV changeover, with both the public's and the
broadcasters' attitudes being quite different from what they were.
Most people now would not think it at all strange to replace
technology every two or three years, instead of every twenty or
thirty. Also, the broadcasters all seem to be thinking in terms of
maximising profits rather than providing a service for the public.
Personally I don't like change for the sake of change if it doesn't
improve anything, but there's probably no escaping it.

Rod.